What is 'Literary Merit'

What makes up literary merit?

  • An attention to accepted grammar rules

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Clean and uncluttered writing that is clear but not simplistic

    Votes: 8 33.3%
  • A proper use of erudite terms and scholarly language

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Other

    Votes: 18 75.0%

  • Total voters
    24

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I'm going to begin a series of posts - mostly out of annoyance I'll admit. However, I truly do want to get this figured out, if only for my peace of mind. So, what do you think are the defining elements of 'literary merit', in other words, what makes a book have it? I'll post a poll, but if the answers I give you to choose from aren't sufficient, please add your own. I'll also make the poll so that you can choose more than one.
 
Oh, this one's going to be a hot potato!!!

It's a thorny problem, and far too many confuse what entertains them, what they like, etc. with something that has "literary merit", which I take to mean lasting value, something not simply for the generation it was written in, but which still speaks to those long after, as well. And that, I think, is the crux of the matter: it has to speak to deep human feelings/longings/emo- tional needs on some level in order to have true literary merit. This does not mean it has to have truly universal appeal (that is, it does not have to appeal to everyone across the board) -- else nothing would earn that term. But it does have to reach a fairly representative number of (at least fairly well) educated and discriminating people over a period of time. Which is why, for example, the majority of the early Gothic writers of the late eighteenth and early nineteenth centuries don't apply (though I have a fondness for them myself); they were often artificial, contrived, and paid little attention to real human thoughts and emotions (even in the limited realm of fear/terror they often used artificial standards). This is also why so few young writers have produced such, because it generally takes a certain amount of life to garner the experience to judge what is and what isn't genuinely affecting. There are exceptions, but they are relatively few. It is also why so few professional writers quite fit the bill (though, again, there are exceptions); because often -- especially during the pulp era -- the motivation was simply to put bread on the table by entertaining rather than probing the human condition in any meaningful way (which, incidentally, has as a prerequisite that it be intrinsically interesting, as it touches chords the reader can identify with on multiple levels). This is not to knock the pulp writers, many of whom I highly respect and enjoy reading, and would hate to see their work go out of print; simply that the necessity of selling to an artificially standardized magazine often limited the scope of what a writer could say or how they could say it. It also has to be informed with the writer's Weltenschauung in such a way as to convey an idea of the world from a perspective no one else has done, in an intelligible way that gives at least a haunting glimpse of the world through someone else's eyes and mind (and, if I'm allowed the phrase, heart). It has to have more to it than simply entertaining (laudable though that be, and I consider it a worthy enough goal in itself). It has to open up the reader to an inner experience he/she has not had before, and in such a way that it adds to their understanding of life, the world, and the universe around us. It often leaves us with a sense of awe, an almost humbling experience, because truly meritorious work contains a beauty that catches the breath and leaves one with something precious, even if dark, unpleasant, horrific, etc.; the best of it is also in language that is itself beautiful, no matter what it conveys. And -- at least in dealing with human emotions/reactions, etc. -- it must be firmly based in realism, no matter how fantastic the tale itself may be. (Which is why so much horror fails on this score; the people within the tale simply don't react the way someone confronted with such a situation is likely to act or feel in reality. Few people confronted with a genuine violation of natural law would show heroics. They're more likely to be left trying to simply keep their mind from breaking. I'm not talking here about slashers, etc. I'm talking a truly supernatural event -- an impossibility in reality, of course, as anything which happens happens in accord with natural processes.)

A longer answer than I intended, but -- for the moment -- it's the best I can do.

Next victim? (Fools rush in......)
 
cant be quantified in simple terms or all authers would use the fomula and all books would be blockbusters. Its that extra thing in a book that grabs you and it ether there or it aint you cant force it and its not the same thing for every book:p
 
I haven't read the other responses yet because I want to answer without being influenced by others' opinions, so I apologize in advance if this repeats anything that has already been said.

I checked the second choice - was it clear and uncluttered writing without being simplistic? - as being absolutely essential to writing that has "literary merit". This is because I think that just being flowery doesn't make it as "literary" and in fact often gets in the way. I'm probably in the minority there, as I know a lot of people in real life who think that "fancy" writing automatically makes something "literary". I disagree.

But I also checked "other", because I maintain that for something to be properly "literary", it must actually have something to say. Which is why I don't read a lot of literary fiction - I can't see where much of it is really saying anything important or relevant. Just throwing words doesn't ever rise to the level of "literary" in my opinion. A novel might be fun, it might even be "good", but if it doesn't contribute something to the human conversation I don't believe it should be considered "literary".

On the above standards, I guess there are a lot of books that are considered "literary" by the mainstream that I would disqualify from that designation. By the same token, there are books that are not classified as such that I would maintain qualify very easily. No examples of either right now, though, as it is too early in the morning to pull that kind of information out of my poor brain.:)

All this, of course, is just my two cents' worth. It is very possible that I have an eccentric definition of "literary" tucked away in my personal dictionary.
 
i picked other... rarely in a book do i cactually feel bothered by the quality of writing in a book..except when its just thoroughly pretentious... its like having a film with a great scripot and good camera angles is nothing if the stories appalling
 
I think for a book to have literary merit, it has to be well written and stand the test of time. Jane Austin comes to mind. Her books still appeal to people in the modern world.
 
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also...i'd say that most people on this board are above being the average person on the street... im sure they wouldnt be the average persons choice... although i agree with your statement... i don't think mr. smith of birmingham would agree.... ( no i have nuthing against brummies or mr smiths..just making a point lol)
 
I think the keyword might be 'balance' or 'harmony'. Harmony between the extremes of the themes involved in the book.

Immanuel Kant said about aesthetics that a good work of art imitates the harmony found everywhere in nature. Now Kant was a 19th century philosopher, with all sorts of strange, idealistic ideas, but I think he might have had a point.

I like to test this idea on various books. Harry Potter, for instance, is a series in which (at least in the first 3-4 books) I see harmony on several levels. There is a perfect balance of alienness and familiarity; monsters, magic, wizards, but all within a set of institutions nearly identical to those we meet in everyday life (school, christmas, mass media, government, etc.). There is a perfect balance between risk and security; Hogwarts is on the overall a very safe environment, guarded by highly responsible adults, but it can at the same time be a chillingly dangerous place for those who seek adventure, not to mention all the crazy (although rarely lethal) accidents that happen because of various magical activities.

There are probably others as well. I think these harmonies, not originality or marketing, were what made HP so wildly popular from the beginning.

I haven't read or analyzed enough great and successful books to declare this a rule, but we'd have to take into account a great number of dimensions on which harmony can be found.

Well, that's my idea, and I hope I expressed it in a sufficently comprehensible way. :)
 
alicebandassassin said:
cant be quantified in simple terms or all authers would use the fomula and all books would be blockbusters. Its that extra thing in a book that grabs you and it ether there or it aint you cant force it and its not the same thing for every book:p


same here
 
So far it looks like actual language in and of itself doesn't play a large role. The story seems tantamount according to the opinions expressed here. Standing the test of time, would mean to me a universality of theme that can capture the minds of more than one generation and a balance or harmony of opposing themes.

I really like this balance idea - you can carry it through many things. You hate it when the villian is just over the top bad right? But when that over the top baddy is opposed by mr or mrs perfect goody goody, you can see the humor and silliness and campiness and understand what the author may be telling you about our lives or society in general.
 
What is literary merit, in my opinion it is something that defines or redefines. Let me try to explain by first going a little off base. Most if not all of you have heard of the group Nirvana they had artistic merit and their body of work will still be around in a hundred years, but why there were certainly better accomplished musicians better lyricists or even better more established groups at the time( I can hear the howls of outrage from here). So what was it that Nirvana had and the others didn’t, they had the moment. What they had was timing, they appeared just when the genre needed to redefine or die. There have certainly been better bands and songs since but it will be Nirvana, like Elvis or The Beatles that people will hear in classes about music in a hundred years time.

Back to literary merit and now ill give you examples to argue over. Tolkien in my opinion has literary merit as quite frankly he is the father of the modern fantasy genre. Just about all the fantasy conventions were put in place by him and have been copied incessantly since then by ninety percent of the authors that followed. Like I said in a reply to a different thread elsewhere when you’re dealing with legends it’s hard to break convention so you just try to give the legends a slightly different spin.

So Tolkien defined the genre so who has redefined it, in my opinion I would say Terry Prattchet. His Discworld novels have taken all the tired old and over used conventions of modern fantasy and breathed new life into them; the orphaned boy doesn’t become king. But the most important thing about his work is that it forces others to look for new stories and new ways of telling them just as Nirvana did with the music industry, after they finished no band could seriously take to the stage with a perm and half a can of hairspray, and after Prattchet no author could seriously go back to the orphaned farm boy saves the world routine.
 
heron said:
and after Prattchet no author could seriously go back to the orphaned farm boy saves the world routine.
Isn't that a complete and detailed summary of Wheel of Time (started in 1990)? :p
 
heron said:
So what was it that Nirvana had and the others didn’t, they had the moment.

Probably off topic, but what Nirvana had was Kurt Cobain who, despite being a very screwed-up boy in a lot of ways, had a brilliant way with words and the ability to reach in and grab the listener's soul and shake it to its very foundations.

Yeah, I'm still pissed off at him that he did what he did.

Not so off topic is that this is might be what happens in a work of real literary merit (as opposed to works that get labeled that way because they are trendy). A writer comes along who has the right combination of a way with the language he or she writes in, combined with something relevant to say and the ferociousness of spirit to say it fearlessly and in spite of all opposition.
 
i think what really makes up a good book is clear, in depth characters and plots. I also believe that in order for writing to be considered good it has to hold the attention of the reader. I've read one or two books that i didn't like but held my attention.
 
Hmm. Depth, layers, content to chew on. Prose that aptly, effectively, precisely conveys the author's intended effect. Both are essential, in my opinion.

Standing the test of time is one way to identify such works. But other, younger works also have literary merit.

I dunno. By "literary merit," are we pursuing an academic definition? I hope not, but that's what springs to mind when I hear the phrase.

(Speaking personally, I like prose that sings. Not purple prose, but sentences that vibrate in my ear and mind. And I like ideas that sing, too. And characters, characters whose skin I can inhabit and believe in. But my personal preferences are probably irrelevant; a phrase like "literary merit" implies a general standard that many/most/authoritative people can agree on.)
 
Brown Rat said:
By "literary merit," are we pursuing an academic definition? I hope not,...
And all I can say to that, Brown Rat, is a big amen. But that's just because I've usually not been that enthusiastic about writing presented to me in as "of literary merit" in an academic setting.

Have I said this month, yet, by the way, how much I really don't like (because I hesitate to use the "h" word, although it would probably be more accurate in describing my feelings about it) Catcher in the Rye. If not, conisder it said.:p
 
littlemissattitude said:
And all I can say to that, Brown Rat, is a big amen. But that's just because I've usually not been that enthusiastic about writing presented to me in as "of literary merit" in an academic setting.

Have I said this month, yet, by the way, how much I really don't like (because I hesitate to use the "h" word, although it would probably be more accurate in describing my feelings about it) Catcher in the Rye. If not, conisder it said.:p
Hmmm. I don't have that problem with Catcher in the Rye; but, after my exposure in school to Dickens, it was a long time before I could tolerate anything other than "No. 1 Branch Line: The Signalman", which I'd run across on my own before that. I shudder to think how I would have felt about Hawthorne if I'd first read his work in school; thank heaven I read some of his stories years before they tried their butchering act on him in my presence (my, that sounds awfully pretentious). As it is, I still love Hawthorne, largely because I ignored everything they said.
 
Kurt Cobain was a mass of talent, and always in a mass of pain, he can be forgiven for leaving us too soon, and the Foo Fighters are still knocking out some rather nice material (Perhaps with the help of a medium!!!).
I think C.S.Lewis' a better fantasy writer than Tolkein.
Perhaps as well as getting into print, literary merit is when a writer writes in a way that can touch the hearts and change the thoughts of millions?
 
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