The Tokra

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padders

Ok, i want some info about the tokra. Can someone explain how it works. It is the goa'uld parasites I assume that are the "good guys", It is them that know that what their species does is wrong and thus only take on hosts that want to be a host. Is that correct?
Also, how does the goa'uld host still have complete power of the body (as normaly Goa'ulds's do) but just gives the host the ability to speak when it chooses?

Any more comments about the tok'ra?
 
MythingLink

Now you're asking for spoilers to Crossroads.
The main difference as has been shown so far is that the Tok'ra do not take unwilling hosts. They share the body mutually and, I would assume, speak when they want to do so. Most of the time we've seen the host speaking first, and then the Tok'ra when they feel the need to.

The Tok'ra don't believe in the things that the SL are doing as far as slaves, pretending to be gods, etc.

Cheers,
 
padders

How exactly, i wonder, did the goa'uld evolve? I imagine that it must have been a symbiotic relationship to start with, it is unlikely something with the complexity of a goa'uld can evolve without it being this way. I guess at some point in their history then they changed to what they are now. I guess they never evolved a great sense of morality :)
 
MythingLink

In Serpent Song, Teal'c (or maybe it was Daniel) said the the Goa'uld and the Unas came from the same primordial soup. I take that to mean that both races evolved on the same world and that is why the Unas were the first host.
Could have been that the Unas had a relatively small brain or were unable to fend for themselves in some way and that is why (nature being what it is), the Goa'uld evolved along with them.

Cheers,
 
Sean3w

What I think is that, like in our world the parasites just take over without their presence being known. A lot of them helping their host. The Goa'uld had to of once been nice. But once they learned that their memories were passed on to other larva, they knew they could do so much more if they weren't nice.
 
SGPflughaupt

Naw, the Goa'uld didn't necessarily have to have been 'nice' in the early years. Over time the parasite would have learn to gain more and more control over its original host and that probably gave it their first taste of what control and power could mean. They maybe sprang out of their homeworld while still a relatively young sentient race without much of a code of ethics (darkage philosophy of might makes right I would guess). Only later a more mature code of ethics might have developed to bring about the splinter group of the Tok'ra (Goa'uld radicals,rads always a threat to the establishment :) ).
 
padders

Generally a non-competitive parasite is unlikely to evolve much, especially to intelligence i would think. What evolutionary advantage is a goa'uld going to have being intelligent if we suggest at first that it was a benovlent parasite (like bacteria in our stomach?). I can not really see how what is essentially a parasite can evolve to intelligence. The only possibility that i can really see is that the goa'uld existed separate initially and evolved to intellligence before they became parasites. It was only at this point that they started entering hosts. This still seems very unlikely though.
But i stick with the idea that something that starts its evoluntionary life cycle as a parasite is not (or very unlikely) going to evolve into being intelligent.

On side issue, i am guessing they are so evil by the nature of what they are. Whereas for humans, ethics has an evolutionary advantage. If your ancestors where "ethical" it was likely that the people around to them would be nice back, familys and friends would look out for each other. This is why ethics evolved (this is my view on it anyway). For a non-benevolent parasite, ethics would not have an advantage in this way (quite as much anyway, goa'uld looking out for goa'uld perhaps but they don't do this either) hence why they are "evil". Ethics, like most human attributes is (i think.. my disclaimer!) determined by evolution.
 
MythingLink

Okay I think I understood all of that. <G> My take would be that if the goa'uld evolved to where they had to have hosts to live, than that goes a long way to explaining their behaviour. In a way it goes to 'survival of the fittest'. The goa'uld simply by being able to take over another body, any body especially one that was physically strong, and also being able to assert mind control over that body would begin to think of themselves as a superior form of life I would think. It does have something of an advantage in that it gives them power to continue on with doing what they want without having to worry about dying anytime soon. They just take another host when the body of the one they are using gets to the point where it can't be restored any longer. I'm pretty sure if I thought about it some more I could come up with a pretty reasonable way to throw the genetic memory thing in there too. <G>
Cheers,
ML - who just finished watching The Men Who Killed Kennedy and it's put her in the mood to come up with all sorts of crazy reasons for things. <G>
 
padders

um but intelligence before or after they became parasitic. I don't think either are possible so ..... they can't have evolved. Ie i don't think goa'uld are a "possible" species.
 
MythingLink

What's that quote? "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio than are dreamt of in your philosophy." <G>
Cheers,
 
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