Tracking the Destination

UnimatrixZero

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Hello,

how can the computer in the control room track the destination one the map in SG Movie? What coordinates will he use?

Has anyone a answer?
 
not only that, space is not 2 dimensional, but the map is. so how could they trace addresses anyway?
 
Being a writer...

Being a writer, I pride myself on being able to come up with plausible answers for questions like this. True, if I'd been the writer of the original Stargate movie I don't think I'd have done it quite the same; ie, that annoying bug would be gone, along with several others -- but then, most writers aren't perfectionists and don't know a lot about physics etc. So let's see.

Aside from the fact that, in the movie, they developed the software for using the stargate but hella fast (I want that programmer working for me!), it is possible that, since they can tie into the gate with the computer, the gate can tell the computer certain things.

One explanation for knowing the coordinates, therefore, could be that the gate simply tells the computer where the current terminus point is. This is the simplist, and therefore my preferred, solution. It also means that the computer would have a reason for saying "demolecularisation in progress", and show that nifty little graphic. Realistically, a computer should not be able to tell you that, or when the object is going to exit the wormhole (although, for the latter there could be a constant time for an object to travel through, so you could simply do a count-down.) In fact, gate/computer communication would probably solve a lot of nits in both the Stargate movie and series, and there is that "intuitive" function it has built in, slipped by Carter in the late third or early fourth season as what was obviously a subtle attempt at defence of teh wormhole's amazing ability to know exactly when to close.

Now, as for the two-dimensional board -- well that idea was just so stupid that there is no defence ;) I suppose it could be argued that it's all they had available, or that they used it because it was more convenient than a gigantic sphere sitting somewhere. Technically, they could just track the position of the planets in two dimensions instead of three; ie, their distances from the galactic core along the horizon plane of the galaxy. I'm not sure if that board actually shows only our galaxy or if it has others as well. Certainly, there is a lot of contradiction in terms of how far the wormhole actually goes -- in the movie I believe it was "millions" of light-years, and the series sometimes says the same thing. However, our galaxy is only 100 thousand light-years in diameter, so that means that a lot of the planets they visit must be in other galaxies. Some, on the other hand, are close to Earth -- in the fourth season episode Prodigy Sam says that the planet involved is only 42 600 light-years from Earth. This presents another problem, however, since to visit Thor's homeworld of Idah, which is in another galaxy, eight chevrons were required, and additional power. Now, I'm not saying that Thor's galaxy is only a couple of million light-years away -- the nearest galaxy is 3 million. However, it does raise an interesting question.

Having said all that, let's not even go near the occasionally-used "other universe" idea. Every now and again somebody will say the Stargate leads to another universe. It doesn't. I wish writers would get their facts straight and bother to do research instead of just making assumptions...
 
Hi the_Brainz

Although it is unlikely, Thors galaxy could have been one of the three galaxies within 200,000 light years of Earth, the closest is the Sagittarius Dwarf which is only 62,000 light years away.
 
That being the case...

That's interesting muzungu, thanks. However, if Thor's galaxy was one of the closer ones, the way I see it, it would negate the need for an eigth chevron and extra power. The only way in which the eighth chevron makes sense is if Thor's galaxy is further from ours than the gate is ordinarily supposed to be able to go. By this we should probably assume that the stargate's maximum travel distance isn't more than around 3 million light-years, although it could, of course, be somewhat longer. I just had this strange feeling that Thor's galaxy was Andromeda (M113? -- never can remember the designation) which I believe is 3 million light-years away; can anyone confirm this? However, if this were the case, the "the gate can take you millions of light years away" thing becomes a nit, so perhaps Thor's galaxy is really far away -- like 3 billion light-years...

Just on the subject of galaxies, you say the Sagittarius Dwarf is only 62000 light-years away from Earth; I presume this distance has a much greater vertical vector than horizontal one, unless you meant that it was 62000 light-years from our galaxy. Not saying you're wrong at all; it sounds like you know these things -- I'm just curious.
 
I must apologise, i'm wrong the Sagittarius Dwarf is 80,000 light years away from the Milky Way.
 
Oh well...

No matter -- that's still pretty close, and doesn't really stuff up any of our theories ;)
 
Please, check your facts. Your data is old

The Greater and Lesser Magellanic Clouds are certainly not closer than the Sagittarius Dwarf eliptical galaxy. This was believed to be the case until 1994, when R Ibata, M Irwin and G Gilmore discovered the Sagittarius Dwarf.

The Sagittarius Dwarf is only 80 kly (kilo-light-years) from the Milky Way Galaxy, while the Greater Magellanic Cloud is 180 kly.
 
This is my idea.

As for how they track the people through the gate maybe they just know how long the gate transit is (about 20 seconds) and they also know the destinations location so maybe they just calculate the path from earth to there.

But that is for the tv episodes In the movie that lady seemed suprised that the destination was in the kaliem galaxy so maybe they knew how fast you travel in the wormhole and what direction it was going in and then they could of just been suprised by how long it went in that direction.

But also the writers for the Movie messed up on a couple of things. More than the ones for the episodes.

As for the 2d thing our galaxy is mostly flat after all it is a disc.
 
this has always been a problem for me. The reason is simple. When something travels through the gate we can just think of it as information going from one end to the other. Thus sg-1 going from one end to the other is information going from one end to the other. Now, if we "know" what they are before they get there then that suggests some information is going faster than sg-1, ie the information that they are x distance along must somehow overtake their travelling speed and get to the other end. um... Now knowing there is an incoming traveller makes sense because the gate does a ring home before opening checking to see if the target exists so home knows someone is coming but actually knowing where they are between the two is crazy :)
 
a) eight chevron - an idea: given all the points must be within the existing "known" network, there are two possibilities:

i) there is more than one network - so it is effectively just a dialling code: in which case there are still problems; effectively dialling a phone system in Rome, that uses Roman digits, not Arabic ones - so there must be some internal translation on the basis of a certain number of fixed digits/glyphs [but still problematic]

ii) the seven digits give a fixed point of space, which is one end of a line from the origin: the eight gives either a scale or further distance along the axis of that line, at the end of which should be an uncharted and out of network gate.


b) time in wormhole etc.: there must, in theory, either be MUCH faster than light communication between the gates, simply to dial up before the event-horizon part of the wormhole establishes, OR the wormhole opens, and the event horizon is only a part of the wormhole.

Doh! Possible anachronism, with justification: how does the receiving gate know to start locking chevrons before the address is finished on the origin gate? Because it only appears in a sequence AFTER the origin has finished dialling, and my theoretical proto-wormhole for dialling data has already been set-up, prior to the full event horizon part.

So - it still comes down to Padders query: how can we now what is actually happening within the wormhole - if we assume travel is much less than light speed (for humans to survive, and there is no need for it, this IS a wormhole after all) then it only needs radio speed communication.

They have technology for sensing molecular decomposition - that is way radical, so why not effectively just have sonar or radar somehow being beamed up and down the wormhole detecting things: after all, we know radio works both ways...

And since they don't need a housing for the iris open/shut mechanism, it is probable they have somehow built the radar into the gate itself isn't it?
 
it is known that the wormhole created by the stargate is one-way. But in the episode Watergate they say that normal matter can travel both-ways but radio signals can, so...
 

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