Gate Location

[muzungu]

I', sorry this is a bit of a nit picker question, but how did they get the stargate to level 28 of Cheyenne Mountain? When the gate is too big to fit through any of the blast doors. Also the NORAD complex in Cheyenne Mountain was built and completed while the gate was still in storage at an arsenal in Washington D.C.

 

[gfps]

28th Level stargate

They used the freight elevator! If area 51 can move jet fighters and UFOs underground, I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard for Cheyenne Mtn to move a little Stargate down below. I know if I was ever to design a top secret underground military base, especially an Air Force facility, I'd include a REALLY BIG freight elevator. After all, they've got an unlimited amount of our tax dollars at their disposal. Ever notice how they never mention any budget constraints on SG1? I like it on The Invisible Man - how they're always trying to save money because of their small budget. Its kinda cute. hahaha - gfps

 

[markpud]

Re: 28th Level stargate

Originally posted by gfps
Ever notice how they never mention any budget constraints on SG1?

Take it you didnt see "Politics" in season 1 then THe SGC was almost closed down as it costs too much to run... only the heroics of SG1 in the next couple of episodes brought home to the senate how important the SGC is, and it was saved

 

[gfps]

Politics episode

Now that you mention it, I do remember that episode. Thanks for reminding me!
Season 1 was a long time ago though. I remember that I was living in Vancouver
back then and Stargate was one of the shows that was just starting out. Didn't see them
around town much though. They didn't do a lot of scenes downtown - mostly in the rural
areas and soundstages. gfps

 

[m1p0]

ok, in the orignal stargate movie - the place where the Stargate was located was an old missle silo (You could see where the missle was, a circular hole under the floor). They even mentioned that it was an old missle silo. In the first episode, the sergeant tells O'Neill something of the gist "we've got a few more floors to go." O'Neill says, "yes, I've been here before." So we know the location in the Stargate movie is the same as in the series. So the anwser to your question? The same way they got the missles in, and if you can tell me that...then...

Mike

 

[Manco]

i think they're not the same location as in the moivie the stargate was stored in Creek Mountain and in the series it's stored in Cheyenne mountain.

 

[Hex_20]

You are right in the movie the gate was at Creek mountain and in the show it is Cheyenne Mountain. But as you remember in the episode "1969" when SG-1 goes back in time they are in the same location but in the year 1969 and they were testing, i believe, a Titan missile. So they are stating that Cheyenne mountain is a old missile silo. But in real life Cheyenne mountain is the base for NORAD and NORAD, as far as I know, doesn't go down 28 level into the earth.

So it is something that the writers made up not knowing what Cheyenne mountain was.


Also a little know fact is that the Cheyenne Mountain in Stargate SG-1 is refered to as Area 52. They state this in the episode "Politics"


:alienooh: :alienooh:

 

[PTeppic]

a) I personally think perhaps the film writes DID know what Cheyenne Mountain was, it appears in enough other films! (e.g. extensively in Wargames) :freak4: So they used something else with a similar name. The SG1 writers just decided to re-use the more commonly held knowledge of Cheyenne/NORAD.

b) I recall in 1969 they are doing a test-firing - this could just be of the engines, and not necessarily of a full launch. Heck they detonate entire nukes in underground facilities - so it doesn't mean there is a way to the surface necessarily.

c) Even if dismounted from the clamps - I don't think the gate would fit down any of the corridors - they are fairly small, being so feep underground. So maybe my argument in (b) above is required to be untrue after all!

d) Didn't they say it was a six or seven figure sum each time the gate activiates - I wonder if that is outgoing only, or incoming too... one heck of a "phone-bill" if it applies to incoming as well! or maybe it is just realistically calculated long-distance (US: trunk?)

 

[Koala]

But when was NORAD actually set up in it's modern form? (By the way, it's really in a different state - just a tad over the border). If in "1969" it's a Titan silo, they obviously aren't 28 floors down (more like maybe 8 to 15). Unca Sammy does a lot of secret construction without us knowing it.

Also, the gate room is MUCH larger (in area) than a missile silo. Based on the apparent diagonal measur of the "silo" the gate could be lowered in to it. It would have been relatively easy to enlarge the area and then fill it in above after putting in walls, etc. That might explain why there is a need to change elevators to get to the SGC portion of the NORAD complex.

 

[shu_hunter]

this was cool.. it was likewatching my own train of thought. i once asked myself that question, came up with the same arguments, solved them the same way, ...weird. but the question remains: how did they do it? y'know, you never see the top of the gate room... maybe there are big doors or whatever that the missles went up when it was still a missle silo. are you sure it couldn't be 28 floors? in what episode does it even say the gate room is sub-level 28? i dont doubt it, i'd like to see it for myself. i can just download it from sg1 episode archive.

~Shu Hunter
:upto: stargate fan{atic}

 

[Roach]

Have we ever seen the roof of the Gateroom? I can't remember.

 

[Roach]

Oh, yeah, and also... it's quite easy to explain away how they got the Gate into the complex. We have no idea how many levels there are in the complex, and it's entirely possible that this one was built up around the Gate.

However, there's a bit of a problem explaining how the second gate got in there. You know, the one from Antarctica. assuming there's no hidden elevator hidden in the roof or whatever, they'd have to tear up half've the place to get it in there.

 

[shu_hunter]

the sgc wasn't built around the stargate, because in "1969" the wormhole created a time distortion and sg-1 ended up in a missle test run, where the stargate would be located in the future. that solidifies the statement that the sgc was modified from it's original purpose.

~Shu Hunter
:upto: stargate fan{atic}

 

[PTeppic]

Pretty much as a result of "Small Victories", I think we must assume there is a freight elevator. Simple, but effective. The gate is only about 25 or so feet in diameter? Well, okay, maybe a BIG elevator.