GO'AULD In Love?

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I'm pretty new here, so if you have covered this topic before, then just point me in the right direction and I will happily go about reading any previous posts on this subject:)

A friend and I were wondering: How do you think the Go'auld find their mates? Apophis and Amaunet, Osiris and Isis. Do they just meet and fall in love, if they are even capable of that level of emotion, or are they genetically predisposed toward a certain other Go'auld? Or do they just say "Hey, you're bad, I think you should be my king/queen."?

I would appreciate any comments you all would care to make on this subject :)
 
Well, Amaunet seems to be play a fairly passive host, so maybe she's just his mate. But in Serpents song, maybe he actually does love her...

Dunno anythin about Osiris and Isis, altho Osiris did ask for Isis I *think*...

I find Ra and Hathor a wierd combination - her host is much older than his.

Don't think theres a thread about this, but it's a really good topic!

I don't think it's the 'hey your bad' thing, 'cos then why join up? Why not use their badness to destroy/conquer each other? There has to b an advantage to both to join up, and @ the mo all I can think of is: lurve! ;)
 
I guess you're as partial to the Goa'uld as I am Kelsi!! :D

I just wish those darned screenwriters would stop killing 'em all off! *waves magic wand and brings 'em all back* :D (That would pretty much aggravate SG1 huh?)

I think I must be a really bad, bad girl, 'cos I like the baddies much better than the good guys.........

I think though that since the Goa'uld are a human screenwriter's invention really, they can become anything we wish them to be in our imaginations. So they could fall in love with each other if we wished. Couldn't they?
 
Originally posted by Anni
I think though that since the Goa'uld are a human screenwriter's invention really
*gasps in shock, then listens to a silent, but power hungry voice in her head, smiles, and her eyes glow...*
they can become anything we wish them to be in our imaginations. So they could fall in love with each other if we wished.
This will probably sound wierd, but I can only imagine them doing or being able to do what I've seen them do; for example, I'm not yet sure whether they can love so I don't know how Apophis' *felt* when he heard about Amaunet in TDYK. I think it's up to the 'creators' of the Goa'uld to characterise them, unless they're doing it unrealistically, then I'll take over ;) (and they're getting pretty close, considering S4!)
 
Yep...... But I don't think you're weird at all..... maybe I'm the weird one for being ABLE to take the characters that one more step forward in my imagination. My totally weird mind has them in all sorts of scenario's. Some of them quite naughty....I don't know what that says about me..... A repressed old lady I think

and by the way.......... the little power hungry voice n MY head gasped when I typed those words and my eyes haven't stopped glowing since. I think I have annoyed something. He he he......

I get a little concerned when the writers kill off characters (how ever small they are) just for convenience. I definitely was not a happy person when they killed Cronos. I got the distinct feeling that this was strictly for neatness sake and not for any other reason and did not make sense. I thought his character could have been developed into something a lot more, especially since they had made a big deal about him being one of the most influential of the system lords.

However, yes I do believe that the Goa'uld could be capable of love. Apophis definitely showed Amaunet tenderness....especially in the episode where she had the baby and he said for her to 'come home'. Also when he was dying in the sickbay and he called for her. I think the writers were trying to say that she was his true mate.

So Kat.....maybe they can find true mates, but I also think that a lot would depend on whether it was a true Queen Goa'uld, i.e. one capable of producing young. And there certainly seemed to be shortage of them. SG1 got rid of Hathor, Isis bought it when her stasis jar was damaged. The writers haven't produced a Bastet yet, or a Nepthys, a Sekhmet or even a Ma'at. all of whom were deities with a female form.

Many of the other females are just Goa'uld in a female body and presumably take on the physical desires of whichever sex they have possessed. In their cases, maybe it's a case of physical attraction to another human type or Goa'uld. These are just a few ideas..... Now you can see how sad I am, that I have given it thought to this extent.

I'll be going to conventions next........

:D
 
Originally posted by Anni
My totally weird mind has them in all sorts of scenario's. Some of them quite naughty....I don't know what that says about me.....
Tell me about it, we seem to have a lot in common! ;)

G'point about Cronos... :mad:

The writers haven't produced a Bastet yet, or a Nepthys, a Sekhmet or even a Ma'at. all of whom were deities with a female form.
I always wonder tho... Ma'at was supposed to symbolise justice, harmony and order, so it woudl be strange if she were a Goa'uld (as she symbolises goodness). Same for Thoth...
 
Thanks so much

I really appreciate your answers to my question. I"d forgotten Apophis and Amaunet in Secrets, he did seem to show a certain tenderness to her then, and I haven't gotten to see Serpents Song yet so..

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If their feelings are truly strong for each other, then I think Osiris will be back with a vengence in S5, because Daniel told him that they had Isis's stasis jar in "The Curse" Osiris doesn't know that she was dead inside it, Daniel didn't tell him that.
 
S5 spoiler...

I think it's been verified that Osiris will be back, altho not necessarily in the same host...
 
Actually..... I kinda hope Osiris IS in a different host, preferably male. The concept of Osiris is so inherently male that I find his current female host a bit disconcerting!
 
saki

Aw, that's what I think is the coolest thing about it.....gender-bending at it's best!
 
kel sha anni,

nice to meet an other goa'uld "fan" :)

which of the systemlords do u like ?

i think they choose their partner as we humans do - but i think they don't change him / her too much 'cos they live very very long
i could swear i've heard that the goa'uld don't have a gender in any episode or i'm wrong ?

kree sha
 
No, Geronimo, you're right: in 'Tokra', Martouf tell Sam that the symbiote has no gender; it takes on that of the host. But then it might 'consider' itself male/female, and I think it probably could 'love'.
 
OK, so if the symbiote does not have a gender, then how can one be a queen? Wouldn't it need to be different from the rest, so it can create the larve? Because, queens must be pretty rare, since the tokra are so few since their "queen" was killed 2000 years ago to spawn the tokra movement.
 
kel sha,

due to creatin' the goa'uld's the "queens" must be one of the first hosts of the goa'uld ...

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we know that the first hosts of the goa'uld were unas -- so perhaps due to mutations the first race after the unas (now human hosts) are queens ... this queens create the next generation of goa'uld's and i think this queens can decide which goa'uld is able to be a queen and which not ... that's my opinion but i'm not sure ..

kree sha
 
Kat...... I think the whole point in this Stargate thing is that the concept of Stargate has been built up by various, disparate groups of people, such as fans, the actual writers of the shows and the fan fiction writers. Everyone has their own take on the whole thing. Even the actual show's writers seem to have slightly different viewpoints and frequently contradict each other. Especially when it comes to the actual physiology of the Goa'uld.

The only thing one can do is to take the most logical idea and apply it. In this case, it could be (and I MEAN could, not that it IS the case) that the Goa'uld are based on something similar to the honey bee. They have a queen who produces the larvae, the rest are drones and a few males who follow her when she flies from the hive in order to mate with her and it's only the strongest who actually manages it. I guess you could say that there are very few queen Goa'uld and they are very special and have to take a female host, maybe something to do with human feromones or female hormones in order to actually produce the larvae.

The rest of the symbiotes may have hermaphrodite characteristics and therefore have the ability to go either one way or the other depending upon the sex of the host. If this was the case then they may not be as gender confused as a human hermaphrodite born into human society, where gender differentiation is much more structured. So they have the ability to take on the sexual aspects of the sex of the host and probably can jump from one sex to another. In that sort of structure only the strongest Goa'uld males would be allowed to mate with her and produce their own lineage.

She may well even have within her the ability to 'self-pollinate' so to speak and doesn't actually require anything like the act of mating to produce the larvae. This would offer an explanation as to why Hathor only required the DNA from Daniel (although it was implied that this was given through a sexual act). She only needed that to ensure that her larvae would have the ability to blend with human hosts. But those larvae wouldn't have been from Daniel's line, they would have been from hers.

These are only suggestions and wisps of ideas based on a mish mash of knowledge of various species on our own planet. In reality another species from a different environment would have it's own procreation characteristics and they wouldn't necessarily have to follow anything like ours.

I think that your original question about love is to do with the HUMAN idea of mating and procreation rather than what might be the case for an alien species. That particular emotion may not be part and parcel of an alien psyche. And I suppose that the human host's physical needs would have a considerable influence on the symbiote which it would have to satisfy, otherwise you'd have a whole lot of sex-starved Goa'uld running about.

Mind you.....that could explain why they're so aggressive all of the time!

LOL

:D :D
 

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