Hathor and the Stargate

[UnimatrixZero]

Hello,

how knows Hathor where the star gate on earth exactly is?

 

[peachy]

i think it's something to do with the naquidar it's made of
she can sense it, the same way sam can sense if someone has a goauld in them...peachy

 

[Dialer Dude]

Maybe the naquada works like magnets and a compas like the naquada in her blood somehow points in the direction of the stargate.

But if so howcome in "The Nox" Teal'c said Apophis had to use a device to locate the stargate.

Maybe it's a queen goa'uld thing

 

[skydiver]

it's probably a case of the writer for the nox and the writer of hathor not talking to each other...

maybe...hathor did sense the naquadah but what if...she had a sensor implanted subcutanously(under the skin somewhere) and used that to find the gate. apophis has never done that cause he's just too darned arrogant to think he'll ever need it?

 

[adele.s]

It must be good to be the queen...

I'm betting that the "queen bee" Goa'uld don't go anywhere or do anything unless they are *completely* equipped to build a new nest in absolutely hostile foreign territory.

She had everything she needed (except for the hottub and an unwilling but controllable populace, both of which she found) to start her nest: sarcophagus in case anything went physically wrong, chemical agents to pacify enough of the populace and ensnare her Beloved, weapons to defend herself (what's that glove-thing called?), the belly-button-gem thing for making new Jaffa, and whatever cool technology got her through Carter's last attack and the resulting carnage without so much as a mark on her...

Somehow she also knew English, or had some sort of universal translation device... it wouldn't surprise me if she inherently sensed the Chaapa'ai, or had some unseen technology to find it.

My biggest questions about Hathor I'm hoping get addressed in later seasons, but maybe someone here can enlighten me: are the queen bee Goa'uld mothers typical of all female Goa'uld, or are they a special kind? In other words, can any female Goa'uld do what she did? And also, assuming that Hathor was simply a "typical" Goa'uld parasite inside a human host, what extra steps did that joining include that made the host woman biologically able to do all the special tricks that Hathor did?
--Adele

 

[PTeppic]

We do meet a few other female Goa'uld, such as in Fair Game, and there is no implication of motherhood, so I am personally guessing they are special, few and far between - like Queen bees... thousands of others but only one of them per "hive". In this case a hive could be a certain sector of space...


[Being dull, how did this start up on their native planet before space travel - must have been one per village?]

 

[MICSG7]

My only question is, if she found that stargate, did she sense the antarctic stargate and why did she dismiss it.

 

[PTeppic]

I would guess it is not powered. In theory at that point it should be buried in Antarctica. As shown in may places, the incoming wormhole does not need power to the gate (e.g. Prisoners), but outgoing does. So, perhaps she can detect powered gates, which are more practical for travelling with?

[rant? on]Goa'uld are inherently stealers of technology, not developers, so perhaps don't have much of a problem solving ability by nature, so finding an unpowered gate would be less useful than for e.g. SG-1 (again!)[rant off]

 

[MICSG7]

You may be on to something. The Sphinx Stargate was continually being charged, but the Antarctic wasn't. The laws of matter say that heat is astate of high energy, the Stargate couldn't absorb light energy or heat energy either because it was in that ice crevace. (Remeber Naquada absorbs many forms of energy) That also says that Naquada can only be sensed while it contains more than it's original energy amounts. That would explain why the Goa'ulds didn't find that original gate on Earth when they discovered the planet by ship, and placed their own, probably Ra put one here, on our planet.

 

[MICSG7]

Something else, how do you think the Goa'ulds eventually became aware of it afterwards? Yu mentioned he wanted both during his negotiation for including Earth in the protected planets treaty.

 

[PTeppic]

In "Solitudes", Teal'c implied it was normal practice to have a second gate if the first was "lost", for whatever reason. This strongly implies the goa'uld used the second gate, if not brought it to earth.

 

[MICSG7]

No because there was a jaffa there and since he froze to death that says they didn't even notice it was there to rescue him and steal the gate. knowing the other races saying we're too young they probably put it there so when we could actually stand to go there with our own technology we could get it and start using it when we we're considered old enough.

 

[PTeppic]

Not necessarily - it might mean that the gate was suddenly swamped with freezing water or ice etc...

 

[MICSG7]

Daniel also pointed out that the Goa'uld didn't build the original gates and the Asgard have been studying us for sometime. The gate may have as I mentioned before put there for us when we were old enough but the Goa'ulds soon screwed that up but who knows how they found out about our world. Ra either found out, another Goa'uld found it, or it was pure dumb luck. You remember the Asgard, Nox, Furling, Ancient alliance. They probably decided from the Asgard's studies of 'great potential' to have the Ancients place a gate on our world. The Asgard may also be our 'God' like for the people of K'tau considering their technology.

 

[Tiberius]

"how knows Hathor where the star gate on earth exactly is?"

"But if so howcome in "The Nox" Teal'c said Apophis had to use a device to locate the stargate."

When Hathor found the Chappa'ai, did she have a Ribbon Device? If so, the Ribbon may be your answer. Apophis rarely wears one, so he would not be able to locate the Chappa'ai with it.

 

[PTeppic]

Or maybe its just a continuity error?

 

[System Lord Gypsy]

It probably is just continuity. Happens a lot. There is no evidence to support the fact that the ribbon device could be used to sense or track other naquada, hence I suppose Aris Bochs use of a naquada detector to track naquada when he could just have used a ribbon device if that was the case. It is a possiblity that the process of using thought to trigger the device couls work both ways. We saw Shau'ri transfer thoughts to Daniels mind so I suppose it could be used in a semi telepathic way if the wearer has naquada in his blood to make the device work.

As for the gates, we know Ra came in a ship to earth originally and Teal'c hinted that the Antarctic gate was placed by the Goa'uld but correct me if I'm wrong here, nowhere does it say the Goa'uld placed the original gate. My theory was that once Ra had been to earth once in his ship he could easily transplant a gate from another planet to earth but that was shattered by the cultures that had been transplanted by non Goa'uld races which makes me think he came to earth and found the gate there. It could even have been the first gate found by a Goa'uld at all as it is hinted in the movie that Ra did everything via ship prior to that but it does look like the ancients placed the gate on earth and it was just coopted by the Goa'uld.

I would assume the Asgard would have mentioned the second stargate to the SYstem Lords, if they did not already know about it simply because they wanted the treaty and would obviously be as honest as possible. With the amount of Goa'uld that have been to earth it is logical to assume though that one of them placed the second gate where it was and it just fell into disuse for some as yet unknown reason.

Gypsy

 

[PTeppic]

Although it is implied that the Antarctic gate was the second one, there is nothing to say that it was the Ancients (or whoever) who followed the same practice, and put the Giza gate in place amongst the then increasing population centre, after the original (Antarctic) gate had been "lost" due to glacial ice-flow. And after THAT, Ra came and co-opted both the gate, and the human people.

 

[Tiberius]

I think I may know how Hathor could find the Chappa'ai! Althought there would always be that problem with the whole Apophis thing, but still:

Sam can still "sense" another Goa'uld. Can we assume that Naquadah has some sort of weak bond with all the other Naquadah in an area? Maybe since the Chappa'ai is pure Naquadah, and it is so large, she could sense it. Pick my theory apart, oh ye brilliant minds! :^)