Wormhole integrity

[iceycat]

Anyone understand how the Stargate knows how long to stay open? I can understand if the gate is open it will stay open long enough for some matter to pass through, however anything beyond that is rather curious timing. After the first person passes through how does it know to stay open long enough for others to enter the gate? Many times we SG1 gate in on a planet only to have the gate wink out as soon as they are all on the platform, now I know SGC could just turn it off once all personel go through, but the same thing happens on the other gates, not just earth. I can't believe that all the aliens immediatley have a hidden shut down device on them.

Then we have the situations in which one or two people go through the gate, and minutes pass before anyone else does, yet the dang things waits politley open like some kind of doorman! How does this happen? I understand the timing is because it is a TV show, but still they have managed to come up with good reasons for most of the other operations at SGC. Since I have only seen maybe 75-80% of all episodes perhaps this has been explained, and I just don't know it. If anyone knows I'd really appreciate it.

 

[CynVision]

In a few cases, objects held in the event horizion from the SGC side hold the wormhole open. This has happened in "Broca Divide" in an outbound situation and "Shades of Grey" in an inbound situation. In "Crystal Skull" the gate closed on the heels of out-of-phase Daniel, much to his alarm and he shouted at the gate controlers in the gate control room so he must have thought it their doing. But, seeing that he's not really that knowledgeable about the scientific principals to the stargate and really put out by the whole situation he was in his reaction isn't good to go on and so I believe that sort of existance isn't well dectected by the gate. Also in "Crystal Skull" the gate was held open past the inital transfer of the MALP and team to continue radio transmitions to Earth. It is possible that there is a setting on the SGC side that holds the gate with something inserted into the event horizion at the stargate verge, holding the gate open because this has been used to prevent goa'uld from dialing in to continue attacks. The limit to that holding is presently estimated at thirty-eight minutes.

 

[PTeppic]

Given that the SGC have somehow built the iris apparently into the structure of the gate, and also the method for dialling, though this might just be a "data" connection (or some internally fitted motors for "manual" dialling byt the system as opposed to however the DHD actually works), it is feasible they could do anything to keep the wormhole open.

Same sort of thing applies to how they can detect incoing travellers - there must be an in-gate series of sensors which can work in either direction up/down the worm-hole stream.

 

[CynVision]

The data thing is a good idea. I've played with it in a fic posted in the fiction section called "The Care and Feeding of 'Gates" thread.

We really do have to come from the angle that the Tauri are really just experimenting with the 'Gate technology and do not truely understand what sort of machine they are dealing with. Maybe a machine, maybe not quite. The Nox seemed to have a great deal more sopistication with operating the Stargate. To the point of stopping the iris and forming an outgoing wormhole 'on the fly' as it were to evacuate the Tollan.

In a later ep of "1969" we get a hint that the Tauri must have caught up to the Nox, didn't Cassandra use a ring device to open the gate back to the past?

 

[PTeppic]

They certainly have some remarkable powers, without apparent physical devices to control it.

There is a potential anomaly, or future development, since Apophis and his happy snake-heads did not appear to have anything but Apophis' gauntlet to let them dial out in COTG in their first attack to steal the sergeant.

 

[CynVision]

Originally posted by P'Teppic
They certainly have some remarkable powers, without apparent physical devices to control it.

Which, IMHO, makes the Stargate system builders some pretty cool aliens. And if the team actually met them, would they really reconize them for what they were? We're taught to accept a sort of evolution is going on in advanced aliens and the Asgard have implied that the Builders are on some sort of trip or vacation elsewhere.

Another alien with "remote" control of the gate is the alien Daniel calls "Mother Nature" in "Maternal Instinct." We could be working under a false asumption that her race is not the Builder's race.

 

[PTeppic]

Originally posted by CynVision
Another alien with "remote" control of the gate is the alien Daniel calls "Mother Nature" in "Maternal Instinct." We could be working under a false asumption that her race is not the Builder's race.

Or maybe the Furlings, since they are presumably quite advanced to be members of the alliance including Asgard and Nox.

We can see in Pretense (S3) how advanced Nox/Tollan are at copying certain advanced technologies, but could they have developed it themselves - perhaps/probably: "they are way cleverer than we are!"

Even in 1969, we don't know if the gate, or wrist device, wasn't already "programmed" with the destination, and the action at the time of dialling may have just been a activation.

 

[shu_hunter]

Originally posted by CynVision

Another alien with "remote" control of the gate is the alien Daniel calls "Mother Nature" in "Maternal Instinct." We could be working under a false asumption that her race is not the Builder's race.

"mother nature" is Oma Desala, an "ascended" race of humans. see "Ascension" in season 5. ooh, that's a scary tought... the stargate system was built by humans! but after seeing the episode, i highly doubt it was the ascended.