Alternant Reality

[MICSG7]

I think from what the Carter in the first said was connected to something interesting. The quantum mirror wasn't there when they went to P3R-233 so do you think that it just appeared there because Daniel dialed that reality.

 

[PTeppic]

It could have been delivered between the two visits...?

The question comes down to, if the mirror allows trans-reality jumps, does it always reproduce itself into that reality, or does it rely on already existing in that reality, to connect to?

 

[MICSG7]

I wonder, do you think we can build some sort of equivalent in our reality to a stargate reality or someone will come to ours. It would be sweet to visit all the variations and lend a hand. Do you agree with the concept of timelines starting at different times. In other words you can go to a stargate reality on 2/10/97 on the first chulak mission?

 

[PTeppic]

Do you agree with the concept of timelines starting at different times.

Well, on the infinite universes theory, anything could be happening, including an identical development to ours just (say) five years later.

I think the concept of the parallel universe is that we are all at the same point in time (without other intereference, anyway) from some universal start (e.g. big bang), just at different points in space/reality. So, travelling across realities should get people to the same point in "time", as shown when using the mirror in series 3.

So, in answer to your question, I would guess we could, but only because of the possibilities, not on the original principle.

The question comes down to, if the mirror allows trans-reality jumps, does it always reproduce itself into that reality, or does it rely on already existing in that reality, to connect to?

Thinking about what I said, although it would beautifully answer the question of how it got to P3R-233 in the alternate reality, there is a massive drawback. As Apophis (alternate) found out, having the mirror simply appear in any reality where the "viewer" is looking is a security nightmare, since people could come in, but without the remote control to turn it on, you could not go to them.

 

[Tesha]

Don't mind me, I'm just wierd...

Well, on the infinite universes theory, anything could be happening, including an identical development to ours just (say) five years later.

Yeah - and remember that when Daniel went reality-skipping, the world he found was under attack - but the identical attack to our own world came later.

 

[PTeppic]

Thinking about it - isn't the alternate-reality portal mirror thing potentially a source of infinite attacks in the future - with almost infinite other universes out there, any number of alternate Apophis's could decide to send nasty LARGE goa'uld weapons, or troops through...

The only real solution would be to move the mirror pack to some remote planet, preferably without a gate.

 

[Tesha]

You know what's bizarre? The Goa'uld and Tok'ra don't appear to know what the mirrors do! Think back to that epi where *Dr* Carter and co came to our world coz they were under attack. The Goa'uld never even imagined the mirror could be how they managed to just *vanish*.

As for the Tok'ra, I've just never seen them mention it.

But at any rate, why go to another universe before you've conquered your own? I mean, if in an AU the Goa'uld rule all, fine. They may just come, and if they're that great I doubt we could stop them, but if they DIDN'T rule their universe? Why trouble yourself with people that will never attack you? I would think their first priority is their own galaxy.

To back that up - you don't see Goa'uld in the Asgard galaxy, for all that you see Asgard here. The Asgard control theirs (in a good way, of course), so they've moved to ours. The Goa'uld don't control ours, so they haven't moved elsewhere.

Feel free to nitpick
Teshie

 

[PTeppic]

Well, loosely speaking the Tok'ra are Goa'uld, at least in heritage. And that means they steal, not develop. However, we know that at least in part they both DO develop their own things a little bit, the Tok'ra apparently MUCH more than the raw Goa'uld who are just lazy, grabbing thieves. etc.

But, we also know how big the universe is, so it is inevitable we may find stuff that they have not yet found, and vice versa, especially due to how much longer they have been out there.

 

[MICSG7]

The Tok'ra don't directly steal but they steal from the Goa'uld who do steal. They do also develop their own technologies as well.

 

[PTeppic]

Having seen what have of the Tok'ra, I am sure that they are not above, like the Goa'uld, and indeed humans, stealing.

 

[Tesha]

They're not above it. They state clearly in The Tok'ra (2, I think?) that they infiltrate, and thus they must only use Goa'uld tech. They don't develop their own.

Of course, in the epi that showed last night here in NZ, Summit, they obviously develop their own - just small, non-blatant stuff. The poison.

And I take the point about them not finding anything we do. Given that both realities we know have found a mirror (ours and the one I mentioned earlier) found it in the same place, mebbe that's one of the planets they've missed. It's not like the mirrors are common

 

[PTeppic]

I think I will disagree with you on this one Tesha...

In episodes such as "Upgrades" (and "Divide and Conquer"?), it is made clear that the Tok'ra have scientists and engineers, who develop and enhance both new and stolen/borrowed technology.

 

[Tesha]

*shudders at the thought of D&C*

Yep, I'm with ya.

*shudders at the thought of Anise*

Actually, on the subject of Anise, in the epi 'Summit', who was the Tok'ra woman there? The one Sam was arguing with about Martouf and Lantash. Was she Anise (in which case, she's gone from very slutty to very demure, while staying very arrogant ) or was she someone else?

 

[PTeppic]

Sorry, can't answer - am only up to S4 ep20.