"Wormhole-establishing-wave" don't destroy all ?!

Geronimo

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tec'ma'te,

if the chappa'ai is dialled and the dial sequence is complete there's a wave caused by the wormhole when it is established ..

in the ep "prisoners" we saw that everything / everyone who touch it will be destroyed ..

but in the tau'ri command center there r "handrails" left and right of the chappa'ai which reach nearly until the event horizon but if there's an wormwhole established and the wave comes the "handrails" aren't destroyed by the wave ...
logic error or other reasons ?!?!?

i've attached a pic to show u that the "handrail" nearly reaches the event horizon ...

lek'tol !
 

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From the views I've seen and from actually seeing the spacing between outer and inner rim of the gate, and the start of the rails, there looks like there about a foot or so of clearence before the wave front would hit the rails.

It makes sense: after the first time you cycle the gate and it eats the rails, you'd just rebuild them set back a bit. ;)
 
a) as suggested, the rails are just outside the spread of the vortex

b) if the gate engages with something solid (e.g. an iris, a coverstone or the results of direct burying) sufficiently close to the event horizon, the gate still forms but without the whoosh

c) if there is enough of a gap, the vortex will develop and obliterate everything in its path - conjecture: it goes to the same place as if you go out through an incoming wormhole

d) the vortex is only due to inefficient or inadequate dialling technology. Numerous example (1969, Small Victories, Enigma etc.) show that superior technology can dial out without the vortex...
 
tec'ma'te,

seems to be the distance is the only one possible reason why the rails aren't destroyed ;)

it's right - the wave isn't always established as u said but there's the next interesting question ..

if i'm right anyone said that the vortex will destroy all in it's way (prisoners - some prisoners r burnt / neutralized by the vortex) ..
so why can't the iris stand the vortex ? is it the minimum distance between event horizon and iris or does it have other reasons ??
thx for ur comments / ideas / ... ;)

lek'tol !
 
I can't remember the name of the episode, but there was the one where the Gate was actually BURIED, and the team activated the gate which vaporized the rock on the other side, to send Teal'c through so he could dig the rest of the way out. Now since the gate was buried, it seems unlikely that there was a sufficent enough gap for the whoosh to form. This throws all the other theories out the window; it means that the whoosh forms no matter what's there, and no matter how close it is to the event horizon. So I guess that the only reason why the iris can withstand the woosh is because of the material it's made from.
 
i don't remember which episode it was, but sg-1 was in cages and were accused of being from an enemy continent or something like that.. anyway, these offworld archeologists unburied their stargate and it started to activate.. a MALP went through.. anyway, it shows sam having a discussion with jack
something like
{{JACK what's up?
SAM we've established a wormhole with a planet that we've tried b4, i guess they've unburied it}}

my theory is a wormhole can't be established if there's something blocking where the event horizon would go UNLESS it's a metal like an iris. i think the episode where jack gets stranded on a planet when a meteor hits the stargate supports my idea. the sgc didnt know how they'd established a connection with a stargate that was supposedly buried, but then sam suggested that the meteor had melted the naquedah to cover the event horizon, like an iris.
if there's one thing i learn from these message boards, it's that i really stink at explaining things.
 
Originally posted by shu_hunter
i don't remember which episode it was, but sg-1 was in cages and were accused of being from an enemy continent or something like that.. anyway, these offworld archeologists unburied their stargate and it started to activate.. a MALP went through.. anyway, it shows sam having a discussion with jack
something like
{{JACK what's up?
SAM we've established a wormhole with a planet that we've tried b4, i guess they've unburied it}}
"New Ground" s3-ep c18 - Sam's "cold-dialling programme"
Originally posted by shu_hunter
my theory is a wormhole can't be established if there's something blocking where the event horizon would go UNLESS it's a metal like an iris. i think the episode where jack gets stranded on a planet when a meteor hits the stargate supports my idea. the sgc didnt know how they'd established a connection with a stargate that was supposedly buried, but then sam suggested that the meteor had melted the naquedah to cover the event horizon, like an iris.
Well, the original Earth gate (and later the Abydos gate) are both successfully buried to prevent incoming vortex.

a) My theory: the wormhole can only engage if there is nothing AT the event horizon. If there is anything actually at the horizon (e.g. buried on Earth or Abydos, Bedrosia or the setting for Hundred Days), it can't engage at all. If there is a slight gap, even a few micrometers, the gate can engage, but without the vortex (e.g. the 50% of engagings in the SGC where we see the iris is still closed for the whole sequence!). If there is a "much" bigger gap, though I don't know how "much" is, it will engage with the vortex, which will eat through anything in its path. Nor, for example, how much of the event horizon would need to be un-buried etc. DOH!! Just had a thought. In "Hundred Days" the gate was engaging even though totally buried - so the gate can ALWAYS engage if physically intact. The problem then is anything too close to the event horizon simply causes anything sent through to not re-integrate, as per the reason for the iris. Hence, the trick the in Hundred Days worked, because the gate was open, but something blocked the re-integration, except high energy. This would presumably have also been valid had Ra wanted to do the same to Earth after the revolt, or Apophis to Abydos. So, it basically seems that the gate CAN engage quite happily without the vortex, if the event horizon is blocked too close. Odd, a vortexc can cut through anything, unless it can't "start" in which case it isn't even needed.

b) As seen in Enigma and 1969 (etc.!), the vortex is only the result of imperfect, or primitive technology controlling the gate. It is not produced when more advanced races and technologies open the gate (which also doesn't seem to need "dialling" time either).
 
my thought on the vortex is it is some energy build up. It needs some space for this energy build up to form between the event horizon and whatever it is in front of it. There is some critical distance (very small) that is needed for the energy build up to reach such a level that the swoosh effect will form and then be unstopable.

I wonder how unstopable it is though.. a nice singularity in the way of the swoosh.. i wonder what that would do :)
 
The reason why the SGC was able to open the burried gate in 100 days could be because a wormhole was operational when the gate was buried.
 
In a season 1 ep (Torment of Tantalus I think) Danny and 'FRED' were both on the ramp when the guy in the control room was saying ' Chevron 4 locked!' And it didn't look like they were gonna move netime soon either! So I wanna no how Danny didn't die and how 'Fred' suvived as well! (FRED is the thing that carries their stuff, u no, the green thing with 6 wheels) Did ne1 else notice that?
 
Originally posted by muzungu
The reason why the SGC was able to open the burried gate in 100 days could be because a wormhole was operational when the gate was buried.
Why would this have an effect on the ability to re-open it? Anything hitting the event horizon would come through, or if the gate was going the other way, be disassembled. They only opened it by using a specialised high energy beam to create the plasma cloud.
 
Originally posted by PTeppic
Why would this have an effect on the ability to re-open it? Anything hitting the event horizon would come through, or if the gate was going the other way, be disassembled. They only opened it by using a specialised high energy beam to create the plasma cloud.
Okay - sorry muzungu, I am currently watching "A Hundred Days" and Sam does say that the wormhole was able to engage because the molten rock/naquadah liquified and solidified JUST ABOVE the event horizon because the gate was engaged when it was hit.

Perhaps we can therefore summarise that if there is something WITHIN the event horizon when the gate tries to engage, it will be prevented - hence a simple burying is sufficient.
 

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