Jack's Opinion of Jonas

[Jobeth]

"We're only in this mess because you and your buddies are lying cowards trying to cover your own incompetence." -- Col. Jack O'Neill to Jonas Quinn, "Meridian"

I'm supposed to believe he'd EVER let this guy on the team?

 

[ShelbyS]

I remember someone mentioning the fact a while ago that if anyone wasn't going to let Jonas on the team then it would be Sam. Daniel's death has hit Sam the hardest, you only need to watch Revelations to see that. He was her best friend and the person she always went to for help. I think she would feel really hostile towards the person who is essentially replacing Danny (I know the producers etc. keep trying to tell us not to think of him as Danny's replacement and to think of him as a new character, but at the bottom line all he really is is a replacement).

As for Jack, well I don't think he'd like a untrained pretty boy on his team.

The real question hear is what does Jonas have to offer SG-1? As far as we've seen all he is is the President's secretary.

 

[Jobeth]

ShelbyS wrote:

The real question hear is what does Jonas have to offer SG-1? As far as we've seen all he is is the President's secretary.

My point exactly. Aside from his many personality shortcomings, the guy has no qualifications whatsoever. Why would he be on the flagship team?

 

[Hatshepsut]

Sky showed 'Shades of Grey' again a couple of days ago...

Some interesting lines in it:
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Hammond: You stole it?

Jack: I like to think of it as 'borrowed', Sir? Major Carter can figure out how to reproduce it and we'll give it back.

Hammond: I can't believe what I'm hearing! You and your team stole an alien device from an extremely advanced alien culture!
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Jack: Why? Our core mission is to go through that 'gate and find technologies we can use to defend against Goa'uld incursions.
Am I right?

Hammond: You are bordering on insubordination. We do not steal from friendlies.
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Hammond: As long as I am in command of the SGC we will hold ourselves to the highest ethical standards.
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Hammond: My God, Jack, you've really crossed the line here.
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Makepeace: They refuse to give us the things we need to defend ourselves against the Goa'uld.

Jack: We don't need their stuff Makepeace. We do need them.
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Now granted it was a set up, but it was a set up to catch thieves.

Does any of this suggest that General Hammond or Jack O'Neill - or anyone from S.G. -1 - would have any truck with a conniving thief like Quinn?

I think NOT

Best wishes,
Hatshepsut :wave:
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[Jobeth]

Don't you know that the first 3 seasons aren't part of the canon anymore?

 

[Hatshepsut]

Ahhh yes, I quite forgot about that, Jobeth You do well to remind me. Or not...

I must say, I like that universe so much more. I'm seriously tempted to go back there and fan fic. my way along that thread with 'proper' Stargate adventures and ignore the Alternate Universe that the remains of S.G. -1 are now inhabiting. 'Cept Judas is definitely gonna get his come-uppance in my next one :evil:

Best wishes,
Hatshepsut - still quietly fuming. Or not... Quietly, that is
:wave:
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[skydiver]

i think jonas is going to have to earn his place on the team and prove to them that he can contribute.
while jack certainly doesn't like jonas' peopel...i honestly think he knows where jonas is coming from. i'm willing to bet there's been more than once that jack has had to do something he didn't want to 'i've done some damned distasteful things'...now i don't see him inviting jonas over for dinner and a sleep over anytime soon...but he'll at least give teh guy a chance.

remember rothman??? that's likely how jack will act. he'll grouse adn complain...but until and unless jonas does something concrete, he'll tolerate him.

personally, i don't expect to see jonas in a sg-1 jacket in redemption. he'll be there but maybemore like janet or hammy, in a supportive role

 

[Hatshepsut]

"now i don't see him inviting jonas over for dinner and a sleep over anytime soon...but he'll at least give the guy a chance."

Now what makes you say that, Skydiver ~ apart from the fact that we already know that T.P.T.B. - having created an irredeemably undesirable character - are currently busy re-writing their Frankenstein creation and stretching it to fit the D.J. shaped hole in the programme? (and are expecting us to be dimwitted enough not to notice )

Given that Jack didn't show any signs of giving Makepeace, Maybourne, Newman, Lieutenant Clare Tobias et al. a second chance when he routed out the N.I.D. thieves in 'Shades of Grey', it would be extremely out of character for him to allow Quinn within 50 miles of the flagship team.

O.K., Jack has - reluctantly - worked with Maybourne when Maybourne was in a position to be of use to him, but I can't imagine him working with Maybourne on a regular basis, as in S.G. -1. - especially as Maybourne is a convicted traitor...

And I think, if Jack was forced to accept one thieving traitor out of Maybourne and Quinn into his team, it would be Maybourne. He has a much better idea of where he is with Maybourne, and Maybourne has come good when lives were on the line, which Quinn conspicuously hasn't.

If T.P.T.B. wanted Quinn to be an acceptable member of S.G. -1, they should have written him better in the first place. :angryfire

Best wishes,
Peeved Hatshepsut :wave:
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[skydiver]

to each his/her own. i personally say it's hard to adequately judge a character based solely on 15 minutes of a hastily cobbled together episode.

i'm going to wait until i get to really see him before i break out the jonas voodoo doll.

 

[Hatshepsut]

I don't think you will see the original Quinn as presented in 'Meridian'.

After T.P.T.B. have had time to digest all the criticism about the appalling manner in which Laughing Boy was depicted, and have realized that they've dug themselves into a really deep dark pit from which there is no plausible escape, I'd put money on their quietly binning that personality and re-writing the whole character from scratch - probably borrowing from Dr. Jackson's c.v.

And I bet they think we won't notice the switch to the back-up personality...

Cynic? Moi?

Best wishes,
Hatshepsut :wave:
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[Jobeth]

There's one little flaw in your hypothesis, Hatshepsut. You're assuming TPTB are rational beings who can accept criticism in a mature manner, and learn from their mistakes. However, judging by their track record, I doubt it.

Jonas will probably continue to be the same lying, cheating, thieving, traitorous weasel, and M&M and BW will insist it's just 'Dannyfans' who don't like him due to their irrational prejudice.

 

[Hatshepsut]

Battle of the cynics here, Jobeth

I really wouldn't put it past them to create an entirely new character with courage, intelligence, charm and every manly virtue and then swear blind we'd just imagined ~ shh! ~ The Other One.

Best wishes,
Hatshepsut :wave:
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[neith4]

just wondering

evil cackling from neith - cackles of agreement - did either of you ladies see the chaos over in the Gateworld forums when a certain junior producer decided to do a public rebuttal of several fans ???

A sudden rewrite of the character wouldnt surprise me in the least! Sigh - it will probably the inspired by sgc ' s ethics
young jonas becomes a true warrior scenario???

I'm going public on this - I predict that unless certain people clean up their acts ratings will be very variable in season six !!!

or there'll be a lot of continuous flame wars in the forums

 

[Hatshepsut]

I predict that unless certain people clean up their acts ratings will be very variable in season six !!!

or there'll be a lot of continuous flame wars in the forums

Or both

Official Prediction:
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Ratings will be fairly high initially following the move to the American Sci-Fi channel and the rather deperate advertising of same.

There will be quite a few new viewers tuning in out of curiosity, like I did with 'Star Trek - Enterprise'. [*]

Unless the plots and characterisation improve on series 5's efforts - 'Fail Safe', ye gods! - the ratings will drop off after the first three or four episodes.

There will be an 'E.-M. spike' for episode 6...
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[*] Footnote: I gave up after the first few episodes of 'Enterprise' because of unoriginal, formulaic and rather boring story lines, two-dimensional characters and distinctly wooden acting by some.

The final straw was a guy, who had a serious leg wound, telling the rest - rather in the manner of Biggles, and totally ignoring any pain - to leave him behind and do what they had to do first - he'd be O.K. till they returned in several hours time... Duh!

cf. Jack's injury in 'The Devil You know'. You really felt he was in pain - and probably more than he was letting on.

Best wishes,
Hatshepsut :wave:
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[neith4]

i just hope if there is a drop off in the ratings
and i would prefer to be wrong !!!

things will pick up in the second half

ideally the ratings / complaints would act asa wake up call and thigns will be tightened up later - we're still in season five down under and I was NOT impressed by two scenes in The Tomb which showed sloppy writing or editing !

i just hope if they "rewrite" jonas they do it gradually so its a natural evolution thats believeable!!!

 

[Jobeth]

Well it looks as if I was wrong and Hat was right. TPTB DID re-write Jonas in a (futile in my case) attempt to make the character more palatable. What next, he turns out to be an orphan?

 

[So_Over_Daniel]

Greetings

New around here, just wanted to post and say that I like Jonas Quinn very much.

As for Jack's opinion of him, I think his opinion is and will pretty much stay quite similar to how his opinion of Daniel was. Right now- he thinks Jonas is a weird geek, just like he thought Daniel was in the early seasons. That basis never changed throughout, but he and Daniel did eventually come into a companionship of sorts, even though they were very different people and agreed on little. I think Jack will never be best friends with Jonas, but come to terms with the differences and accept them as he did in his relationship with Daniel.

Jack doesn't like geeks, but he learns to accept them

 

[Jobeth]

Geek is one thing "lying, incompetent coward" is another.

Jack may have thought Daniel was a geek, but he never called him a "lying, incompetent coward". No, I still don't buy Jonas bein allowed on the team.

 

[So_Over_Daniel]

Hello JoBeth

You said:

Geek is one thing "lying, incompetent coward" is another.

Jack may have thought Daniel was a geek, but he never called him a "lying, incompetent coward". No, I still don't buy Jonas bein allowed on the team.

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Jack doesn't think Jonas is a 'Lying incompetent coward', only some of the more rigid Daniel fans do. Jack is far too professional for that, and he did choose Jonas to be on his team, and did accept him as a part of it. And I can see why- Jonas seems to be quite a valuable member, he's smart, caring and stays true to his friends.. He's even saved their lives once.

If Jack had any doubts or mistrust towards Jonas, he wouldn't have chosen him to be on the team. But, as I have said before, Jack's likely going to see Jonas much the same way he saw Daniel, so they're probably never going to be really close.

 

[Hatshepsut]

Point of Information

Originally posted by Sver_Daniel
Hello JoBeth
You said:

Geek is one thing "lying, incompetent coward" is another.

Jack may have thought Daniel was a geek, but he never called him a "lying, incompetent coward". No, I still don't buy Jonas bein allowed on the team.

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Jack doesn't think Jonas is a 'Lying incompetent coward', only some of the more rigid Daniel fans do.

I'm sorry but you're wrong about that. JoBeth's comment comes straight from the 'Stargate S.G.-1' canon.

Jack's actual words to Quinn in 'Meridian' were:

"Look, we're only in this mess because you and your buddies are lying cowards trying to cover your own incompetence!"

I hope this clears up the misunderstanding.

Best wishes,
Hatshepsut :wave:
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