I dont know if anyone has posted something bout this but i just watched Revaltions and at the end where the show you who played who in the episode it showed that Anubis was played by David Palffy and i thought he name sounded familiar so i cecked it out and i found that in the episode The devil you all know Soka was also played by David Palffy. So does this mean that Anubis is sokar or Anubis is Sokars twin.
Is Anubis really Sokar
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Did anyone else notice this?
Prankster could be on to something!
Prankster could be on to something!
It was mentioned on another list I am on, but I really really do hope not. I really hate the way the Stargate people have depicted the Goa'uld in such a one dimensional way. It's highly annoying. They hint that there is a Goa'uld society out there, but refuse to paint in any other way than this stark black and white way. It just panders to the fans who like their goodies with white hats and the baddies with black. It also irritates me that earth constantly escape any real bad battering by this supposed horrifically inhuman, yet very human to look at, enemy.
Nothing in life is ever that pat and controlled. Most Sci Fi devotees like the quirks and twists that the genre offers. The Stargate people have populated their universe with SG1 super heroes, bland species and villains who apparently have to be cloaked and look horrific to be scary.
No more bloody Sokar for god's sake. I know David Palffy played the part in Revelations, and I have a horrible feeling that Prankster is right. I just hope beyond hope that it isn't the case. The one thing I think may be against it, is the reaction of Osiris during the two parter when Zipacna told her who his new boss was....it was inferred that he had been out of the galaxy for a considerable amount of time. And we know that Sokar was very much in the galaxy during the previous period of Stargate time.
Nothing in life is ever that pat and controlled. Most Sci Fi devotees like the quirks and twists that the genre offers. The Stargate people have populated their universe with SG1 super heroes, bland species and villains who apparently have to be cloaked and look horrific to be scary.
No more bloody Sokar for god's sake. I know David Palffy played the part in Revelations, and I have a horrible feeling that Prankster is right. I just hope beyond hope that it isn't the case. The one thing I think may be against it, is the reaction of Osiris during the two parter when Zipacna told her who his new boss was....it was inferred that he had been out of the galaxy for a considerable amount of time. And we know that Sokar was very much in the galaxy during the previous period of Stargate time.
Originally posted by Anni
.......... and someone who *doesn't* die as soon as SG1 breathe on him!
And can last more than 60 minutes.
I really hope anubis will be a great rival. I don't like the idea that anubis can challenge the system lords and win, but SG1 will just turn up and against all the odds wipe him out. :wave:
I don't like it either Nic, and have said so many, many times!
I really hate the fact that this show, which held such promise at the beginning has turned in a totally SG1 centred show. One of the reasons that I like the Sci Fi genre so much is that it's based on people's hopes and fears for the future of mankind. Sci Fi expores the what ifs and maybes that normal genres avoid like the plague.
Stargate is now nothing but a Sci Fi soap opera in which the main character's lives are scrutinised and the rest is just peripheral to the actual story. I honestly feel that the writers and producers have taken far too much notice of a certain section of fandom which demanded that SG1 have lives outside the SGC. Even the threads which ran through regarding the NID turned into desperate speculations about Sam and Jack instead of being an insidious threat which should have just steadily ran through the series. The Ascension of St Daniel of Desala really just put the icing on the cake.
They've gone indepth into everything except the actual enemy, who remain this hideous sort of cartoon parody of a species, who literally just hang around in spaceships, wandering from one planet to another screaming 'Kneel before your god!' We know nothing about how they live, what they eat, their social and family structure or even how they got to be so amoral in the first place. I can't believe they just sprang from the primordial slime screaming 'death or slavery to all species except us...and except when we want munchies - in which case we'll shish kebob a barrel of symbiotes!" Something must have occurred to make them the way they are.
It's not that I'm saying that they should flesh them out in the same way as they have SG1, but the producers should have maintained a balance somehow. Fleshed the characters out equally.
The crazy thing is that when I see any of the Goa'uld or non SGC characters I don't see the actors behind them..... I think of Tony Amendola as Brat'ac, yet when I look at any of the main characters, all I see is AT, RDA, CJ or MS....or DD......and Colin Cunningham. The amount of times I see them and to me, it might as well be Major Amanda Tapping, Colonel Dean Anderson, Chris Judge and Dr Michael Shanks!! Not to mention General Don Davis and Major Cunningham.
Something has gone sadly wrong with this show. Maybe a real villain like Anubis who doesn't die at the drop of a hat (don't drop that hat!) will pull it back a little.
I sincerely hope so, because otherwise neither a spin off nor a movie is going to cut it.
I really hate the fact that this show, which held such promise at the beginning has turned in a totally SG1 centred show. One of the reasons that I like the Sci Fi genre so much is that it's based on people's hopes and fears for the future of mankind. Sci Fi expores the what ifs and maybes that normal genres avoid like the plague.
Stargate is now nothing but a Sci Fi soap opera in which the main character's lives are scrutinised and the rest is just peripheral to the actual story. I honestly feel that the writers and producers have taken far too much notice of a certain section of fandom which demanded that SG1 have lives outside the SGC. Even the threads which ran through regarding the NID turned into desperate speculations about Sam and Jack instead of being an insidious threat which should have just steadily ran through the series. The Ascension of St Daniel of Desala really just put the icing on the cake.
They've gone indepth into everything except the actual enemy, who remain this hideous sort of cartoon parody of a species, who literally just hang around in spaceships, wandering from one planet to another screaming 'Kneel before your god!' We know nothing about how they live, what they eat, their social and family structure or even how they got to be so amoral in the first place. I can't believe they just sprang from the primordial slime screaming 'death or slavery to all species except us...and except when we want munchies - in which case we'll shish kebob a barrel of symbiotes!" Something must have occurred to make them the way they are.
It's not that I'm saying that they should flesh them out in the same way as they have SG1, but the producers should have maintained a balance somehow. Fleshed the characters out equally.
The crazy thing is that when I see any of the Goa'uld or non SGC characters I don't see the actors behind them..... I think of Tony Amendola as Brat'ac, yet when I look at any of the main characters, all I see is AT, RDA, CJ or MS....or DD......and Colin Cunningham. The amount of times I see them and to me, it might as well be Major Amanda Tapping, Colonel Dean Anderson, Chris Judge and Dr Michael Shanks!! Not to mention General Don Davis and Major Cunningham.
Something has gone sadly wrong with this show. Maybe a real villain like Anubis who doesn't die at the drop of a hat (don't drop that hat!) will pull it back a little.
I sincerely hope so, because otherwise neither a spin off nor a movie is going to cut it.
Lets keep our fingers crossed and hope that MGM is just pulling their usual casting choice malarkey. Has anyone else noticed that Dion Johnstone has been a guest star in many many eps?
Off the top of my head I know he has been in:
Rules of Engagement (the head Jaffa kid)
All the ones with Daniel's Friendly Unas
The Fifth man (as the fifth man himself)
Devil U know & Jolinars Mem's - as the apophis character, before we know it's apophis (if you know what I mean)
I wouldn't actually mind if it was Sokar - Apophis got rid off him way too easy, especially after all the hype created - particularly by the Tok'ra - about this Devil God who was ready to overthrow all the other Goa'ulds.
If it's Apophis I will put my foot through my telly and bill MGM.
Off the top of my head I know he has been in:
Rules of Engagement (the head Jaffa kid)
All the ones with Daniel's Friendly Unas
The Fifth man (as the fifth man himself)
Devil U know & Jolinars Mem's - as the apophis character, before we know it's apophis (if you know what I mean)
I wouldn't actually mind if it was Sokar - Apophis got rid off him way too easy, especially after all the hype created - particularly by the Tok'ra - about this Devil God who was ready to overthrow all the other Goa'ulds.
If it's Apophis I will put my foot through my telly and bill MGM.
well maybe Sokar died but Anubas took over the host? that would be...ok with me I think as longas Anubas doesn't turn out to actually be the sake Apophas in Sokar old host...
oh & maybe they don't want to go into depth at all with the G because it might create some tiny bit of sympathy for them? The whole 'they'te just doing what needs to be done to survive' thing?
oh & maybe they don't want to go into depth at all with the G because it might create some tiny bit of sympathy for them? The whole 'they'te just doing what needs to be done to survive' thing?
I think you have probably hit the nail right on the head Skoon. I have always maintained that they don't flesh out the Goa'uld because they feel that creating even a tiny spot of sympathy would then make the show lose it's cutting edge with a majority of the audience who like things to be clear cut..... baddies lose.....goodies win.
That's the whole reason why I personally started liking the Sci Fi genre. Because original Sci Fi always examined the 'yes the goodies always seem to win, but what if........' scenario. Things are rarely black and white and since the 40's and 50's (and perhaps even earlier) Hollywood flooded people with the notion that if life was 'out there' it was most certainly evil and hellbent on conquering earth. And of earth is the poor innocent who the evil baddies are determined to obliterate, but despite the fact that we have no technology, our faith and true pure heroism will win the day. Hence we have whole generations of people who are now paranoid about aliens and alien abduction and are generally convinced that everyone except the human species is evil and out to get us.
It's politically correct to encourage the masses to think this way, and to suggest that there is even a touch of goodness in an enemy like the Goa'uld would be to explore avenues where most don't want to go. After all, if they were asked in a programme to believe that the enemy had lives, a social structure, families or anything even near to normal in the human view, then whatever next?
We might be then asked to believe that people like Hitler, Saddam Hussein and all the rest of those evil creatures were human beings too. Shock.....horror! Do you think that when a soldier in a battlefield stands over the destroyed and bloody body of his opposite number, he doesn't suddenly come to the stark realisation that this 'enemy' is a real flesh and blood human being..... someones, brother, husband, son etc?
Since all TV is just a reflection of real life, then the views portrayed are a reflection of real life. And in real life everyone wants baddies they can hate with a vengeance, because it makes their world that more comfortable to believe that evil can be conquered by good. However there are those of us who have actually faced real evil and we have discovered that evil is in all of us. It can't be separated or quantified. We are all good and we are all evil.
No species like Goa'uld can be wholly evil.
Sorry about the length.....I guess I have said all this many times before. I like my villains to be fleshed out and real, I like to believe that they do something other than just hang about torturing, maiming and killing. And I believe that many others feel the same way. Our voices just get lost in the morass of people who want simplicity so that their world feels safe.
That's the whole reason why I personally started liking the Sci Fi genre. Because original Sci Fi always examined the 'yes the goodies always seem to win, but what if........' scenario. Things are rarely black and white and since the 40's and 50's (and perhaps even earlier) Hollywood flooded people with the notion that if life was 'out there' it was most certainly evil and hellbent on conquering earth. And of earth is the poor innocent who the evil baddies are determined to obliterate, but despite the fact that we have no technology, our faith and true pure heroism will win the day. Hence we have whole generations of people who are now paranoid about aliens and alien abduction and are generally convinced that everyone except the human species is evil and out to get us.
It's politically correct to encourage the masses to think this way, and to suggest that there is even a touch of goodness in an enemy like the Goa'uld would be to explore avenues where most don't want to go. After all, if they were asked in a programme to believe that the enemy had lives, a social structure, families or anything even near to normal in the human view, then whatever next?
We might be then asked to believe that people like Hitler, Saddam Hussein and all the rest of those evil creatures were human beings too. Shock.....horror! Do you think that when a soldier in a battlefield stands over the destroyed and bloody body of his opposite number, he doesn't suddenly come to the stark realisation that this 'enemy' is a real flesh and blood human being..... someones, brother, husband, son etc?
Since all TV is just a reflection of real life, then the views portrayed are a reflection of real life. And in real life everyone wants baddies they can hate with a vengeance, because it makes their world that more comfortable to believe that evil can be conquered by good. However there are those of us who have actually faced real evil and we have discovered that evil is in all of us. It can't be separated or quantified. We are all good and we are all evil.
No species like Goa'uld can be wholly evil.
Sorry about the length.....I guess I have said all this many times before. I like my villains to be fleshed out and real, I like to believe that they do something other than just hang about torturing, maiming and killing. And I believe that many others feel the same way. Our voices just get lost in the morass of people who want simplicity so that their world feels safe.
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Can't help wondering with this whole Sokhar being Anubis thing, whats the point. I don't mean in speculating or anything. I mean in Sokhar hiding under another name if that is how it turns out. As soon as someone who has seen Sokhar gets a look at him without the hood they'll realise it's hiom and not Anubis, unless somehow he lost his symbiont and ended up with the one that took on the persona of Anubis, but as I was saying, Surely the system lords will recognise him as Sokhar once he removes the hood. Or is it just me thinking this?
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It sounds just like the Dion Johnstone thing... they've got a guy with presence who they like as an actor. Now he has had his face seen, as long as future characters are all aliens (i.e. with a layer of latex on) then he can keep on returning to the fold and portraying them...
If you like someone (acting wise) why bother getting different people each week when you just change the latex...
As for the plot arcs - it seems to be very contradictory: they concentrate more on the longer terms story arcs, rather than single-episoders, yet don't develop the characters to go with them. And of course make each passing enemy even easier to kill for good ole SG-1.
[PS. They have sort of hinted that multiple exposure to the sarcophagus tends to make the user power crazed, arrogant and domineering ("Need") which might cover that question about Goa'uld]
[PPS. Anyone know of any good clear shots from S6 that show Anubis without a foot of cowl shrouding his "face"]
If you like someone (acting wise) why bother getting different people each week when you just change the latex...
As for the plot arcs - it seems to be very contradictory: they concentrate more on the longer terms story arcs, rather than single-episoders, yet don't develop the characters to go with them.
And of course make each passing enemy even easier to kill for good ole SG-1.[PS. They have sort of hinted that multiple exposure to the sarcophagus tends to make the user power crazed, arrogant and domineering ("Need") which might cover that question about Goa'uld]
[PPS. Anyone know of any good clear shots from S6 that show Anubis without a foot of cowl shrouding his "face"]
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