The mysterious alien face within Râ

[Ko'or Oragahn]

THis is all about the movie, and I never understood what it was supposed to be, but it happens twice in the movie.

I think the first time is when the light comes down from Râ's ship straight onto the human he choosed.

The other time in the movie when it apears is when Râ realizes that he has lost (when the bomb is sent back to him through the Rings).

Then we clearly see again this mysterious alien face in the haze of the light.

Excuse me, but what the... furyball... is this supposed to be ?

Weren't the producers wrong when they showed the Goa'Ulds as tiny aquatic snake-like beasties when in fact it could have been something completely different in the movie scenarists' minds ?

Why did it only happened with Râ and not with Apophis or all the other Goa'Ulds Lords ?

:alienooh:

 

[PTeppic]

This is another of those instances when the film (which had different producers/writers from the series) differs from the series.

However, this is a reasonable theory. We know that "Ra's race was dying". There are many reasons why this may have happened i.e. losing contact with the Unas homeworld. Perhaps the chose a new race, since we know they have used other bodies, not just Unas and human. Perhaps this third race was weak, after several decades?? Anyway, this body was weak, and that is when Ra found the human body. He then adopted the human form.

During the blast, the bomb took away the human, leaving this degenerate body inside, which was slightly more resistant, perhaps? The goa'uld parasite could then be inside this body.

HOWEVER, the real reason is just a change of producers/writers, with a slight shift in the meaning of the underlying nature/technology. So perhaps we shouldn't ask too closely!!

 

[Ko'or Oragahn]

I love these contradictory facts.

By the way, there's this story of light ball falling from Râ's ship.
Was it a weapon to knock the human and then transport him inside the ship ?

 

[PTeppic]

The problem is that the series franchise is NOT run by the same people who made the film.

The producers of the series decided which way they wanted to go, and in an ideal world would have pulled the movie and re-written bits of it! Basically their "new" interpretation of the technology and physiology does differ in some small but important places, and there is little we can do.

Except either try to smooth over the gaps, which sometimes work (like mine in the previous message), or for others, ignore them and pretend they don't exist.

 

[PTeppic]

Originally posted by Ko'or Oragahn
By the way, there's this story of light ball falling from Râ's ship.
Was it a weapon to knock the human and then transport him inside the ship ?

Ah - again, this is covered in some of the series episodes. It is the mechanism of the transport rings.

A hatch opens on the ship, a strong beam of light/energy comes out, down which travels the rings, which assemble themselves at the required co-ordinates, usually up from the ground. They then disintegrate any matter already there and transport it as a blip of energy back to the ship, and also do the opposite, at the same time. This is clearly seen in the film, and works in pretty much the same way in the series.

 

[Ko'or Oragahn]

Great ! At least one thing that doesn't contradict the movie !

Err... do that mean they send the ring after from the ship or what ?

In the movie, the place were the beam was directed (in fact where the humain was standing) wasn't a Ring Transportation Site (no Rings around here).

So this ball had to act as a mollecular disintegrator without any Ring system.

In fact, maybe something was just send to the human (a beamed larva ?)...

 

[Wingless Flyer]

From what I remember of the movie we only see the white light over the boy, and we don't see him get transported away, therefore meaning the rings had not yet arrived...

 

[Ko'or Oragahn]

... as long as the rings are supposed to land, of course.

 

[PTeppic]

The transport rings are used extensively throughout the series... check out one of the episodes to see how they work. I would have said the same as Wingless Flyer - we see the START of the process for beaming up the boy, just not the rings themselves.

They DO work in two very related ways: fixed locations and "out of the bottom of ships". In fixed locations they pop out of the floor or ceiling, do the molecular transmission, and then pop back in. The other way is that a hatch opens in the bottom of a ship, the rings pop out to the ground, (or to a location just under the ship) do the beaming, and then go back in. Typically, however, the beaming is simply to within the hold of the same ship!!

 

[System Lord Gypsy]

As to the ball of light without rings, didn't O'neil turn into a ball of light to be transported to the Beliskner? Who's to say what would happen if one of those transporters was used from just above the person. It could have the same affect as the one Ra used.

Which leads us to the fact that Ra was THE supreme system lord so it's entirely possible that with his power he could have aquired asgard transporter technology, and of course to keep his power base he wouldn't share it with the other system lords which is why they still have the rings.

Gypsy

 

[Ko'or Oragahn]

PTeppic

However, there are two problems :

- The human wasn't really standing underneath Râ's ship at all, thus meaning that the only place where the rings could have come from if not vertically above would have been underneath the boy.

- The lightball was sent but there weren't any rings to receive it.

I think the lightball was more a shock projectile (similar to a Zat Gun first shot) to capture the corpse and then maybe send rings to take it back to the ship.

 

[PTeppic]

Unlikely.

The light-beam IS still entirely consistent with transport rings:
a) it doesn't have to be vertical
b) for distant work, the rings come down the light beam, rather than out of the ground

 

[Ko'or Oragahn]

Yep, I forgot how fast the rings were.

The rings were probably about to land soon. In fact, doesn't it mean that something was send to the boy ?

Btw, I don't remember what really happened but in the movie, didn't the lightball touched the human without being followed and doubletaked by any rings ?

Usually it gets up to approximatively three~four seconds for the totality of the the five rings to assemble, and then near as one second before the transported material arrives.

I guess that by the time the ball touched the boy, we should have heard or seen the rings, shouldn't we ?

I must admit that I don't perfectly remember this scene, so any help may be really appreciated.

 

[System Lord Gypsy]

That is what made me think of the Asgard transporter. Ra being the Supremem Sytem Lord may well have had technology the other system lords weren't privy too and it does sort of explain the whole ring thing, although ti then brings up questions like why did he have a ring device on Abydos.

gypsy

 

[PTeppic]

Gypsy!

Of course he did - in the "gate room" in the pyramid, built into the ceiling about 10 yards from the foot of the gate. As used to transport the prisoners (and a few other things) up to the Pyramid Ship after it had landed.

I suppose he didn't want to use TOO much technology out in the open just in case the locals deduced it was not magic.