What would happen is you stepped through the other side of the Event Horizon?

[Jerikho]

You know, the side of the E.V. that is see-through
(tho' it's that way probably just for the cool effect of someone walking towards you and disappearing through the 'water')

Well, it's never been documented or mentionned what would happen if a person attempted to step through the other side.

Would they be dematerialized, never to rematerialize again (like stepping into the Event Horizon of an incoming wormhole)?

Or, will they feel a 'wall' (a 'forcefileld') and cannot pass through (maybe the Ancients made a safeguard to prevent dematerialization into oblivion)?

 

[spookypumpkin]

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when they sent the probe through, and it fell back through the event horizon, it did not reappear in the gate room

sorry, not very helpful, i'll keep thinking....

 

[CynVision]

I think it's a plot hole that they'll keep open until they need to exploit it.

Honking plot hole, huge.

I'm wondering when the wormhole field became semi-transparent to events on the other world. I know I've picked it up somewhere and I'm not sure where. And I've used it in a fic. But when did they first fabricate that? Is it cannon or part of fan fic?

 

[shazstar]

Hey bring this to the tech forum, we need another new tech issue to debate!

 

[CynVision]

Oh, I would have thought this issue would have been hacked to death in the tech forum already.

Maybe stuff that tries to go through ends up where lost socks go.

After I thought Spookypumkin's observation over I had the irreveratnt thought of said MALPH arriving where ever it would arrive and some poor creature exclaiming in it's native tongue "Not another one!"

 

[Tabitha]

I am confused. Do you mean the other side of the wormhole, as in, in the gate room - if you ran around the back of the gate and jumped through the wormhole from that angle?
Or do you mean if you tried to walk into an incoming wormhole - eg, if another planet dialed up earth and someone jumped into it from our end?

The second option has been mentioned in some degree - we have been told repeatedly that matter will only travel in one direction thru the wormhole.

But as for the first - I have wondered that often. I think if the physics all made sense, you would probably just be transported as normal thru the wormhole, although maybe at the other gate you would exit on the wrong side...

 

[CynVision]

Originally posted by Tabitha
But as for the first - I have wondered that often. I think if the physics all made sense, you would probably just be transported as normal thru the wormhole, although maybe at the other gate you would exit on the wrong side...

And walk right off whatever 'Gate platform the off-Earth 'Gate was standing on. Ouch!

 

[CynVision]

But seriously, (hah!) we don't see anyone hanging around "behind" the Stargate because in the movie they established pretty well that behind the 'Gate had as distructive a vortex as in front of the 'Gate with the "splash." The TV show does not spend time doing the effect. I think the producers have been asked about the "missing" vortex behind the Stargate and I recall them saying they just didn't have the time and money to put it into the TV show. So whether "behind the Stargate" is dangerous is a matter of speculation. And access to the backside of most Stargates is rather difficult because of the platforms. So dollars to donuts messing with the backside of a wormhole as the wormholes operate in terms of "show physics" ( a brand of physics not completely related to ours) is not pleasant.

But it still remains a question what happens if you try to go through a open wormhole established from elsewhere. I think I've just remembered a clue. NOTHING HAPPENS to the person or thing stuck into the open wormhole, but the wormhole remains open and locked on to the destination 'Gate. I'm thinking of a scene from "Shades of Grey" when Jack dials out from the tech pirate's headquarters to the SGC and uses his gun to hold the wormhole open while the members of the priate team were making up their minds to follow or become prisioners of the Asgard. IIRC, the gun was okay.

 

[Jerikho]

Originally posted by Tabitha
I am confused.
Do you mean the other side of the wormhole,
as in, in the gate room - if you ran around the back of the gate
and jumped through the wormhole from that angle?

Bingo.


Anyway, now, there are 3 possibilities:

1) It would be like stepping into an INCOMING wormhole. You dematerialize and... that's it. The end.

2) You cannot go through at all. It's like a wall.

3) It would be exactly the same as stepping through the 'front' of the Stargate. You get dematerialized and you are sent to the other Stargate. However, you come out of the 'back' of the Gate.

 

[Jerikho]

Originally posted by CynVision
But it still remains a question what happens
if you try to go through a open wormhole established from elsewhere.
I think I've just remembered a clue.
NOTHING HAPPENS to the person or thing stuck into the open wormhole,
but the wormhole remains open and locked on to the destination 'Gate.
I'm thinking of a scene from "Shades of Grey"
when Jack dials out from the tech pirate's headquarters to the SGC
and (in the SGC) uses his gun to hold the wormhole open
[...] the gun was okay.

Actually, if Jack let go of the gun, it would've fallen through the Gate and that would be followed by the 'dematerialization into oblivion' thing.
The thing is, an object or a person 'plunged into the "Gate water" ' does NOT get dematerialized until its entire mass is 'plunged'.
I mean, imagine sticking your hand into the Gate.
I sure hope it hasn't already dematerialized!
I mean, there are SO many problems if it did: blood circulation, pulling your hand out and finding, well, no hand, etc.

 

[CynVision]

Originally posted by Jerikho
I mean, there are SO many problems if it did: blood circulation, pulling your hand out and finding, well, no hand, etc.

There's a bit of a conflict here. Is the Stargate a wormhole or a transporter? Wormholes have twisted space and time. You step through and the distance you've gone is vastly greater than that in the place on either side. Transporters pull stuff apart, beam it elsewhere and slap it back together. The show itself has muddied the waters quite nicely on this issue.

 

[Jerikho]

Originally posted by CynVision
There's a bit of a conflict here.
Is the Stargate a wormhole or a transporter?
Wormholes have twisted space and time. You step through and the distance you've gone is vastly greater than that in the place on either side.
Transporters pull stuff apart, beam it elsewhere and slap it back together.
The show itself has muddied the waters quite nicely on this issue.

I think the Gate is both.
I mean, it's evident that it's a transporter since everything that goes through DEMATERIALIZE (as it has been established since the movie)

But it has been mentionned a few times in the show that 'the whole trip happens outside of our dimension' (paraquote from 'Solitudes')
I guess that can be, at the limit, the description of a wormhole.
(Space and time no longer have the same properties as normal space. Well.. I would say it's NO LONGER NORMAL SPACE.)

 

[spookypumpkin]

well, the subject that ""goes through"" the gate and comes out teh other side is dematerialised, this would mean that the particles are compressed on reintegration ((as sam actually explains in COTG)). i reckon that the molecular signal is TRANSPORTED using wormhole dynamics ((this fits in with various comments in 48 hours))

hows that?

 

[Jerikho]

Sorry, I lost you after "the subject that"

I don't know that much about wormholes and quantum entanglement physics and mechanics theory

 

[CynVision]

I'll get back to you when I've seen 48 Hours then. Should be sometime in November. :rolly2:

 

[spookypumpkin]

sooooo sorry if i confused you!!!!!!

the object that that travels through the gates ((i.e. in one end out the other)) is dematerialised, the particles are broken apart, and their arrangement is transferred into a form of energy. this signature is sent from one gate to the other without needing to go through "space" as we know it. in order to make them back into the object again, they are compressed by the incoming gate. this explains why the subjects were cold when they came out, coz if there is a certain amount of instability at one end or the other (caused in the circuits by there not being a DHD is my theory). <<COTG>>

does that help?