It's pretty clear how to kill a System Lord

[lysdexia]

Blow some cyanide through their force shield.

 

[PTeppic]

It can't be guaranteed that the symbiote would not be able to counter the effects of a natural poison such as cyanide. Direct application through water supply, or even contact (as per "The Summit") would work equally well, and without the confrontation that is implicit in the presence of the shield.

Dropping a house on their head may also work - it would interesting to theorise as to the maximum energy "resistance" generated by the shield. A sufficiently large mass or energy blast should go through the shield - e.g. an ion cannon.

 

[webmouse]

I think the old-fashioned method worked pretty well -- ringing a nuke up to a mothership

 

[Jedispara]

hehe, P'Teppic that would be fun to try, capture a gould and place them infront of a an Ion Cannon, and pull the trigger... anyway you slice it you would still have the gould if it didn't work....

 

[PTeppic]

Just write to your chosen victim and ask him/her to partake in some structured scientific experiments into the relative power of the personal force-shield.

 

[lysdexia]

I've already thought of that, PTeppic. The enhanced immune system may be able to hold off an infection or irritant, but both the symbiote and host certainly can't survive an asphyxiant within the bloodstream. Naquada is already in solution so it has already bound to what it could.

 

[Jedispara]

has anyone though that perhaps Naquadah in the blood works like an enhanced hemolobin, only insted of carring oxygen it carries an elctircall charge of some kind???

 

[lysdexia]

If the naquada helps the hemoglobin, its charge must still be weak because the oxygen eventually has to be given up to the tissues. Any sufficiently-strong radical would still be able to steal its oxygen, such as CO+2 (which would combine with O-2) or CN- (which would combine with Fe+3 which combines with O-2).

 

[PTeppic]

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We have already seen that Teal'c, using an immature larval Goa'uld symbiote was able to greatly enhance the oxygenation process whilst under water and survive an attempted drowning. I would think that as long as the System Lord was still in an oxygenated atmosphere, the symbiote would be able to neutralise the toxin.

In this case I would probably go with Jedi in the energy distribution capability of Naq. It seems to be the key to working the Goa'uld Ribbon Device (and Healing Device) for example, in addition to the users "will".

 

[lysdexia]

That's because there's oxygen in the water to oxygenate. There's none in cyanide.

 

[PTeppic]

What we don't know is how effiecient the symbiote would be of clearing any asphyxiant from the blood, before it is spread into the tissues.

If the cyanide goes from the lungs to the blood, through the heart and onwards, it is "right under the nose" of the symbiote if it wishes to interfere to protect itself/the host. As "Demons" showed, it must have a method for either filtering substances in the lungs or similar.

[You will also have to excuse my limited knowledge of cyanide... ]

 

[lysdexia]

For the symbiote to filter cyanide, it must anticipate cyanide. What lifeform does? Anyway, something'd need to combine with it, and some source said sulphur. Hmm, that's interesting. Iron is in the same group as osmium and naquada. So the naquada in the bloodstream could combine to the cyanide. But what does it do with it... It needs to be electrolysed and combined with oxygen, spare oxygen that's still in the blood, lest the naquada cyanide keep accumulating. Also, for a double threat, one can blow CO through the shield with the C2N2. CO can be produced from water gas; that is, passing steam over red hot coals. (H2 comes out too.) C2N2 is produced doing the same but with the presence of ammonia. The CO will remove whatever oxygen's left in the bloodstream. The symbiote can't win!

 

[PTeppic]

Naquada is fictional (though you have clearly shown it COULD exist), and there is no canon statement that I can recall to place it in any group.

As for anticipation, I am sure my body is just eager to get hold of the measles, or chicken pox or similar pathogens. The nature of an immune system is to react. In this case the symbiote would be performing a similar role - something comes in, it is determined hostile and treated accordingly.

 

[lysdexia]

Yet the naquada is able to float around the bloodstream as if the immune system doesn't care. If it resembles iron, it wouldn't.

Argh, you are dense. Reread my message about the three types of incursions and see that your explanation doesn't apply. I even said that it doesn't.

 

[PTeppic]

Originally posted by lysdexia
Yet the naquada is able to float around the bloodstream as if the immune system doesn't care. If it resembles iron, it wouldn't.

Argh, you are dense. Reread my message about the three types of incursions and see that your explanation doesn't apply. I even said that it doesn't.

If it resembles many minerals it wouldn't.

Dense? You are too kind. A logical counter view would be that your statements lack sufficient clarity to convey the required point. Either way, which message about incursions? On what basis is my point invalid? Simply stating the invalidity does not make it so...

 

[webmouse]

Originally posted by PTeppic
Naquada is fictional

... as is everything else in the show.

In the end the naquada works in whatever way the writers want it to work and the system lords can be killed in whatever way the writers want them to die.

Yes, we would like a consistent, scienfically-sound explanation for all that happens within the series, but most plot decisions are made for their dramatic effect, not for their logic.

 

[lysdexia]

PTeppic
A logical counter view would be that your statements lack sufficient clarity to convey the required point. Either way, which message about incursions? On what basis is my point invalid?
They do not lack the clarity if you would just reread my past messages and pay attention this time. If you had a brain, you would know what I meant by the incursions.

webmouse
most plot decisions are made for their dramatic effect, not for their logic
I wasn't talking about plot decisions but about logistics and strategy.