SG-1 team/Technical = alpha particle?

[lysdexia]

There wasn't any forum for the team's characters as a whole, so Jack must work? I'm in from Technical so this message will be different. Has/is the team [been] successful because it's a tetrad? A few series have followed this model. The a particle is the stablest nucleus, and with its electrons the stablest atom. Btw, He is directly opposite Fr, the unstablest. Its four nucleons form a tetrahedron, the stablest solid:

...(+)
../ | \
(0)-|-(0)
..\ | /
...(+)

Each of these slots can be filled in with a team member. Both properties included are charge and spin. I used ' for spin-up and , for spin-down. The tetrahedron is only a projected outline, and can have any orientation, but this is most easy to understand.

.......O'Neill(+')
......../..|..\
Carter(0')-|-Teal'c(0,)
........\..|../
.......Daniel(+,)

O'Neill and Daniel had been the main characters from the outset, so they're in front. They're each reactive and repel another, so they're both protons. But because they're part of a team, and associate with another, they have opposing spins to make a doublet. All spin pairs in the diagram represent associates or somewhat friends. Members with the same spin don't associate. The other two members are neutral, which is why they're neutrons. They're the second doublet, somewhat in the background, and have opposing spins. The spin-up members, at the moment, follow authority which is how O'Neill follows Hammond and Carter follows O'Neill. The spin-down members, at the moment, don't. Daniel often disobeys orders from O'Neill and talks back to Hammond. Teal'c would do the same, in the first seasons to free his people, but he's neutral. When he gets out of the nucleus he may pop an electron and start running over people though.

Carter associates with Teal'c and Daniel, but not with O'Neill. Teal'c associates with Carter and O'Neill, but not with Daniel. By associate with, I mean keep close to. Charge as a property depends on one member, itself. Spin depends on two, of which member is of the same charge. There could be a third or even fourth property that depends on the other two or three members.

I haven't seen the Quinn seasons, so the following description may not be right. The proton leaves, and other two get promoted as the face opposite O'Neill rotates. Does Carter become the other main character? Teal'c fits in more with the command structure? Quinn doesn't, of course. Do O'Neill and Carter associate more? What do you think?

.......O'Neill(+')
......../..|..\
Teal'c(0')-|-Quinn(0,)
........\..|../
.......Carter(+,)

 

[Imotech]

this is kind of complicated, but im understanding, its just like chemistry.. but different.. lol
anyhow, your theory that O'Neill and carter don't associate while jackson is still in the loop is wrong, in my opinion, since O'Neill rather uncomfortabley has to admit he has feelings for carter in that episode where they have those way cool arm band things... can't remember the name... not sure if it was a follow on from that ep, anyway it had something to do with the arm bands and the to'kra.... memory is kind of blank, and in one sason 1 ep carter tries it on with O'Neill when the whole base turn into like gorilla men... however on the whole this doesn't mean they asociate, just because you like someone, doesn't mean u spend all your time around them... i dunno if im going along the right lines here since i dunno if i am interprating wot ur saying right... must have taken hours to think up..
see ya

 

[PTeppic]

O'Neill has been expereincing feelings for Carter since probably "Solitudes", through the blatantly obvious actions of "Window of Opportunity" through to his admissions in "Divide and Conquer" about how he felt during "Upgrades" (as you spotted). But, also from series 1 "Broca Divide" when they revert to primitive intelligence - which makes their (chemically enhanced) attraction span back to almost the very first episode.

Lysdexia - does your model integrate with personality type models such as those by Belbin or Margerison/McCann, which typical identify 8-10 roles within teams? Specifically, would their research not suggest that a more productive team would be larger in size, perhaps 6-7 people?

Going further, for obvious reasons the primary reason for the size of SG-1 (and from canon evidence the majority of SG teams) is the military aspect of the team performance. In such a scenario the "team role" theories pretty much break down, such that one leads, the remainder follow - behaviour instilled in troops from the first day of basic training. Only when the team members move away from military action into the (perhaps more interesting and rewarding) aspects of research, problem solving and investigation do the true aspects of team-work come into play. Although a military unit, I suggest that the military hierarchy are ignoring the importance of this element of team size/selection? This can even be seen, through the frequent reliance on Siler/Frasier/Hammond etc to fill out the experience/roles in the team.

 

[lysdexia]

Imotech
your theory that O'Neill and carter don't associate while jackson is still in the loop is wrong, in my opinion, since O'Neill rather uncomfortabley has to admit he has feelings for carter
I already know that; that's why they don't associate. O'Neill's also always offputted by Carter's technical descriptions, whereas Daniel, because he uses terms closer to home and because of his lack of respect for the command structure, gets a lot more attention from him making him spin-down.

just because you like someone, doesn't mean u spend all your time around them
That's what I said. In this case, they don't because they would like each other.

PTeppic
does your model integrate with personality type models such as those by Belbin or Margerison/McCann, which typical identify 8-10 roles within teams? Specifically, would their research not suggest that a more productive team would be larger in size, perhaps 6-7 people?
I have no idea who they are. Though this model was about classical harmony of conflicting select characters for popularity, not about productivity. A team of seven members, though, would emulate a hexagonal lattice where each member not in command is surrounded by three others. Yet again this adds to four members!

So no one's going to comment on the model?

 

[keltikkitty]

Originally posted by lysdexia
I'm in from Technical so this message will be different.

No kidding. :rolly2: :rolly2:

I'm new to this area to. I'm usually at the general discussions.

Alright, from what i'm gathering from your analysis: i'm lost. Not quite that bad, but lost. I wasn't that great with chemistry but i'll try.

Carter associates with Teal'c and Daniel, but not with O'Neill.

I sort of agree with that because she may try to not associate with Jack as much since she may/has feelings for him. I know that sounds weird but it stems back to if a girl doesn't like a boy then she will make fun of him. If she makes fun of him to her friends and others than it's showing that she doesn't like him but in all actuality, she's noticed him that much that she's picked up on his flaws. Therefore, Sam, who can't outright make fun of Jack, <however funny it might be> decides to not associate with him thereby keeping her feelings buried.

The proton leaves, and other two get promoted as the face opposite O'Neill rotates. Does Carter become the other main character? Teal'c fits in more with the command structure?

That depends on what aspect you're looking at. If it is within the SGC command, than Carter would become the main character if Jack is disabled for anytime. ex: in spirits, when Jack is hit with the arrow, Sam receives temporary command of SG1 until he is fit for duty. If you look at it as Sg-1 is going to a planet with a whole lot of Jaffa, then Jack may relinquish some of his command to Teal'c because Teal'c is more knowledgeable about the situation and terrain.

O'Neill and Daniel had been the main characters from the outset, so they're in front. They're each reactive and repel another, so they're both protons. But because they're part of a team, and associate with another, they have opposing spins to make a doublet. All spin pairs in the diagram represent associates or somewhat friends. Members with the same spin don't associate. The other two members are neutral, which is why they're neutrons. They're the second doublet, somewhat in the background, and have opposing spins. The spin-up members, at the moment, follow authority which is how O'Neill follows Hammond and Carter follows O'Neill. The spin-down members, at the moment, don't. Daniel often disobeys orders from O'Neill and talks back to Hammond. Teal'c would do the same, in the first seasons to free his people, but he's neutral. When he gets out of the nucleus he may pop an electron and start running over people though.

uhm... ok. Jack and Daniel are opposites. It works very well within the show and adds to the wonderful and often tense moment/arguments between the two.

I think that's all i'm going to give on that at the moment. I feel like I've just looked through the ancients viewer mechanism and my brain hurts.:dead:

Keltikkitty:aliengray

 

[PTeppic]

There would also be far fewer plots or plot-twists if all of SG-1 got on perfectly with each other....