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anyone who was there at sg5 along with myself heard from bryan himself that he doesnt want to do another weekend stargate convention. sg5 woz great!! we have to do something to get him to do another.... write a petition or something.... why not post some ideas here!!

s2b Marty's Mine
 
Did he mention why? Perhaps he's got some valid reasons for wanting to take a break from them for a bit. And there are other cons. 'Best of Both Worlds' in Australia and 'GateCon' in Vancouver, BC.

Rowan
 
he sed it is because mgm want a cut of the profits and it mostly goes to charity and now the olitics beined it is just anoying him
 
Ummm ...

Interesting. MGM has never asked that of GateCon or BOBW, so far as I know. I could see where that might be a concern.

Row
 
I could be totally wrong, but I get the impression that the convention business is an actual 'business' for Bryan and his staff, unlike Gatecon and BOBW which is organised and run entirely by volunteers. Wolf Events run it almost on a semi-professional basis, although I don't think they make much more money than would cover their overheads in reality. The other events seems to not be so much connected with the movie production company. Perhaps Paramount don't get quite so involved when it's a Star Trek convention for example, as MGM do with Stargate.

MGM certainly seem to have a very proprietary attitude towards their shows. Perhaps they perceive Wolf Events as gaining financial profit, even though it may just be enough to cover the overheads of a small professional staff which organises and covers many conventions, both three day and one evening types. Therefore they are demanding their cut.

I wouldn't put it past them.

They're pretty much sharks, just like any big movie company.

:cool:
 
I also heard the speech and it seemed to me that as well as the contribution mgm wanted Bryan's heart just wasn't in two day events anymore.

He explained that the effort and work and preparation that went into two day events was massive. Obviously the audience showed there appreciation with applause.

He also explained that it's come a time where he wants to spend more time with his family and therefore feels he can only continue with 1 day events.

I hope we do have more WolfSG Events as I for one really enjoyed the ones I've been too. They are very well organised, with clear enjoyable talks and line ups and I think everyone got a signature at SG5 which is saying something for over 1200 + people.

Bryan did say he'd make an announcement over the next few weeks as to a decision on SG6 so we'll have to wait and see.
 
its such a shame isnt it! i mean, sg5 was a blast! ive never had so much fun. the only annoying thing is hes still doing weekend conventions for things like farscape... just not stargate!
 
While he did talk about 'politics' being the thing that stopped him enjoying the Wolf cons, I'm pretty sure that he NEVER said that a cut went to MGM. In fact I think the problem is running a con in such a way as to avoid infringing copyright at which point MGM would sort of want some money...

I'm verging on speculating there... but I think it's important not to start rumours that 'MGM wanted too much money off Wolf' or something.

Wolf do run their cons in a professional way. However they are 'for charity'. As far as I'm aware the regular staff are not paid a penny. Certainly the main organiser has a day job. Most of the money paid by attendees goes to the guests: to pay their airfares, expenses and appearance fees.

If you want to see how much a profit-making convention would be asking, go to www.creationent.com and compare their prices to Wolf's and Gatecons (they are doing a UK convention, so it's easy to compare to Wolf) I'd advise you hold onto your eyeballs though.
 
cons

I don't do 'Creation Cons' because they are just that: terminally commercial and you can feel that from out in the parking lot before you even get near the door.

But then, I have to admit, I come from the 'old days of SF cons' with folks like Poul Anderson, Harlan Ellison, Robert Heinline, etc - where folks just got together to cuss/discuss what was happening in the world and SF, cruse the dealer's room, hoist a bheer and sing a filk. I understand the need to make enough to clear costs - I've worked on cons and helped run them.

But the 'Scramble for the Buck' takes a lot of the fun out of it for me.

Rowan
 
I also remember when the cons were just a bunch of folk getting together with some writers, producers, actors, anyone who could just 'drop in' and discuss things. The scramble for the buck nothwithstanding, I honestly hate these conventions where the actors stand on stage like performing animals. They do that almost every day just to make a living, for heaven's sake! I'm pretty sure that quite a few of them would like to just get down there and talk to the people who admire their work in the show.

Unfortunately, there are a lot of very obsessed fans out there who drop a few points of IQ when faced with the object of their desire and in those cases 'intelligent conversation or discussion' probably wouldn't actually happen. A lot of giggling, drooling and goggling would be more like it! For a lot of them, just talking to these people isn't what they want..... probably they don't actually even know what they DO want. Just to get the attention of the person I suppose.

I guess this is why I reacted the way I did when everyone hastened to point out to me that Ron Halder had been at the con and I had missed out somehow by not being there. I didn't....I preferred to be in Egypt. I loved the character of Cronus and still do, but he isn't real and I know nothing about Ron Halder, who I am sure is a nice guy and undoubtedly a good actor, but I wouldn't have missed Egypt to see a few hours of good ole Ron! Not for anything on this planet! In any case, it's very doubtful I would have got to have any kind of meaningful conversation with the man, the atmosphere of that kind of con is not conducive to it.

My point is I suppose that the cons have turned from those intimate little getogethers into a sort of behemoth and are attracting the attention of the big companies like MGM, who are shady and cynical enough to believe that NO ONE (including Bryan and Allen & Co) do anything without an eye on the big buck. They wouldn't think for one minute that these organisers just want to put something on to show some appreciation. They don't operate in an environment like that.

Bryan wants to cut it down before MGM decide that they're making money and demand their cut of the action and I think he's right. I DO know that Bryan only makes enough out of the cons to cover overheads, I also know he has a 'day job' at the Cadbury factory near Birmingham. He also has small children and the cons take up a lot of person time. If not all of it. He and his wife bring the children, but it can hardly be construed as an appropriate sort of atmosphere to bring up kiddies. So I don't blame him at all. He's done a fine job.

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Perhaps with Wolf out of the way, Sekh will do another British convention? She seems to know what she's doing.

Anni said:
I'm pretty sure that quite a few of them would like to just get down there and talk to the people who admire their work in the show.

Well, Heru'ur (Dougie Arthurs) is a real party animal. :D He was on the dance floor, boogie-ing away until the end of the disco. He's definitely cool. :cool:

Best wishes,
Hatshepsut :wave:
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Dougie a party animal? No kidding! He even bites. LOL

Marty's Mine: I am very tempted to say you can have Marty, but I'm keeping JR! I went to dinner with him at SG5, and he is one lovely guy...
 
He sounds like just a normal guy, which is nice to hear. Wolf at least organises something so that the convention is a full comprehensive experience for the attendees. Not everyone may like the disco, but at least it happens.

I think that all of the guests have the option of doing what Douglas Arthurs did. Personally, I think they choose not to associate with the attendees or perhaps are encouraged not to. But that only makes me think that they perhaps think they're too good to hang around with a bunch of fans.

I would have more respect for them if they all turned up at the disco and boogied the night away. Or at least had a drink or two. I have heard many times that the organisers get worried that one or other of the fans might go a little bit too far in their attentions, but to tell the truth, if these people are always kept
elevated with that aura of unapproachability because they are 'stars' (which is a heap of rubbish really, because all they are is actors in the show and no different to the rest of us), then the fans are always going to behave as though they're in the presence of royalty or at least someone special. If they just came down and showed everybody that they're nothing but human beings then the fans would relax somewhat and perhaps some actual communication would take place.

After all, the only reason the actors are getting the kudos that they do, is because the fans give the attention in the first place.

Douglas Arthurs definitely went up a bit in my estimation with that.

;)
 
At the con in Germany last weekend JR Bourne, Chris Judge and Peter Williams all joined in the disco after the cocktail party on sat night...they stayed till quite late and they all said they had a real good time.
I had a lot of fun dancing with them all as did a lot of other people!



:D
 
Which proves my point Pamie......I think they do have a choice. The reason it doesn't seem to happen at Gatecon is because they don't organise post cocktail disco's! Nothing gets organised for the attendees. You're just left to your own devices, and of course, with it being on home ground for many of the guests, so to speak, they all want to rush home rather than socialise.

I'm sure everyone did have a good time, after all, they're away from home aren't they often without wives/girlfriends/boyfriends hanging over their shoulders.

Remember Alexis Cruz' girlfriend at SG3? The poor bloke could hardly allow himself to look a female in the eye without getting the death ray look from her. And she just kept whingeing on about being bored.
 
Originally posted by Anni

Remember Alexis Cruz' girlfriend at SG3? The poor bloke could hardly allow himself to look a female in the eye without getting the death ray look from her. And she just kept whingeing on about being bored.

LOL yeah I remember..I think you were the only one brave enough to talk to her...i was too scared in case she bit my head off...;)

Yeah I think ti has a lot to do with how the con was done as well...the one in Germany was quite badly organised so no one really knew what the guest were up too...htey wanted to dance and nobody told them they couldn't so they did!

It really made a difference and it seemed a lot more relaxed at times! :D
 
Hee hee........yes. He remembered me from the Q & A sessions because he talked about playing Diablo 2 and no one else but me knew what he was talking about.

He nearly freaked when I told him I had a level 45 Barbarian character and said he hadn't got his Barbarian past 10 or something like that. When his girlfriend realised we were talking about gaming, her eyes just glazed over. It was hilarious. There was poor Alexis wondering how come this old grandma managed to be a serious gamer!

And yes, I think the smaller cons are much more intimate. I understand that BOBW is the same. I think they often aren't as organised as the Wolf and Gatecon and therefore the guests don't have the level of babysitting that they get at those bigger cons.

I think it makes for a better atmosphere all round.

:D
 
Originally posted by Anni
Hee hee........yes. He remembered me from the Q & A sessions because he talked about playing Diablo 2 and no one else but me knew what he was talking about.


:D

Yeah I remember that....gave you something to talk about to him..LOL

I also agree I think that the smaller cons are much better but its not always possible....shame really! :D :rolleyes:
 

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