Ring transporterss

[Svarog]

I have a few questions about the transporters.

a) What happens if you are in the circle where the teleported items appear? Do you get vapourised like in the kawoosh? Or do you get teleported to the other ring transporter.

b) In one episode i remember someone flew a cargo ship (with a transporter) into a teleportation beam. I think it was a ring transporter, but my memory fails me. What happens if you walk into a beam like this (without a transporter) could you disrupt the energy beam and hence damage whatever is being teleported?
If not could you do it with a EM pulse or a magnetic field?

c) how do they work? The rings look sort of like stargates, but they do function on a level similar to them? Do they transform the matter into energy and transfer the energy signature to another ring transporter without using wormholes (probably using the em spectrum). Or they do use some other method?

 

[PTeppic]

a) certainly in the film, things were sent back the other way up the beam - I can't recall this being re-used as a tecnique in the series, but we could assume it still works? Interestingly, the premise of ONE-way stargate travel was also in place for the main film, and has survived, yet there is two-way ring-transport...

b) yes, the ship had a transporter on board to rescue the members of SG-1. Since the beam seems to pass through solid matter, hulls, small pieces of debris, the other parts of the ship/planet etc., we could assume that the beam would simply go through anyone in the way. It is only because the transport vessels own transport rings were put in the way that it was interruptable. As for disrupting the beam - if it is energy, then there WILL be a way of corrupting it with similar energy; it would just need to find out what sort. If this is for a fanfic, it would be easier to do than work out, since it is probably a semi-fictional sort of energy being used as a transport medium...

c) I have certainly assumed that they work in the same way as a stargate, in terms of matter scanning, buffering, transmission, buffering and reconstitution, and indeed this was the deus-ex-machina of my only fan-fic so far. The difference is that stargates allow transmission between two points via some extra dimension, "through" normal space-time, whereas the rings are through normal space-time, via an energy beam. We could extrapolate further and say that perhaps the stargate beam looks like the white glow with a travelling blob of the "load", if it were viewable in real space-time, and this is why the stargate travelling effect looks the way it does?? Looking at it from the other side, how many ways are there going to be, when presumably developed by the same species who created the stargate, of disassembling items molelularly, transporting them via some energy beam, and re-combining them, using BIG buffers at both ends? This itself suggests they are probably the same method...

 

[aardvarkg4]

PTeppic, where can one find this fanfic of which you speak?

 

[Ko'or Oragahn]

Well, remember that Ra's rings technology used 8 rings instead of five.
There could be differencies and that may be necessary to enable two way travels.

 

[PTeppic]

a) Fanfic: Safari

b) since the glyphs on the Abydos gate have managed to change between the film and series (and in fact Abydos itself has moved from the "far side of the known universe" to being one of the "closest [planets] in the network to Earth") this may just be artistic licence. I would ASSUME (perhaps wrongly) that anything that Ra had, the others would also have...
BUT, and here is another line of thinking - perhaps the others had already realised the security risks of two-way rings, even from each other, so had already disabled them! Actually, I get the feeling its just something they have never used in the show, since it has already been "done" (i.e. as the method for saving butt) twice in the film.

 

[Svarog]

Do you think the Goa'uld can create their own Stargates? I mean it wouldn't be as good as the Ancient's gates but they'd still work. I mean if the rings use the same principle as the gates except without the wormholes then couldn't they simply build rings with hyperspace generators in them?

So rather than using near instant wormholes you could use a day or so journey via hyperspace. Do you think the Goa'uld are capable of such a device? A device which teleports the user to another device using a hyperspace window and the standard ring transporters.

Both the ring transporters and hyperspace windows are old technology. Now I think hyperspace has been around for at least 10000 years, or at least available to Ra. Couldn't cutting edge Goa'uld technology combined with the fact that you don't need to carry a whole ship into the window be able to create a faster journey through hyperspace?

The ring teleporters. I assume they haven't been around for 10,000 years. None have been found on earth. I'll give a further explanation for why later. However since they are so widely spread i think it must be fairly old technology.

Spoilers season 5

Marduk had a ring transporter so since he's been imprisoned for a while it must be at least as old as his imprisonment. The reason i think its not as old as hyperspace is because Seth had rings in his modern fortress, but not in his ancient ones. Those had staircases, or at least that's what Daniel found in his various digs.

So perhaps since these are old technologies some enterprising scientific-minded Goa'uld, like Nurtii could take advantage of them and create their own stargates. I mean stargates are almost prized possessions amongst the Goa'uld. Well at least more than one stargate per planet. If you could make your own that would be quite a feat.

 

[PTeppic]

Spoiler Season 5
In "The Curse" Osiris's ship/tomb did have rings, and she has been imprisoned in the jar for a LONG time too... maybe Seth chose not to have them


Although we have seen LOTS of stargates, they all seem to be identical (apart from Tollana), so to my thinking all the gates are the original ones from the Ancients. They may have been moved by the Goa'uld, but not actually created.

I would propose that the Goa'uld are very good a compiling great big ships, and big beam weapons, and even memory/drug weapons, but its hard to see whether these are new inventions or stolen from other advanced races.

There is of course a big difference between the rings and stargates - the former use direct energy for transmission in our space-time, whereas the latter use some other dimension and the stargate addressing technology. It may be that the Goa'uld can cope with replicating the former technology, but perhaps not the added complexity of the latter.

 

[Svarog]

but wouldn't hyperspace technology be similar to or a predecessor to stargate wormhole technology?

 

[PTeppic]

You'd think so...

But, at the end of the day, why bother creating complex things like stargates, when you just have to nick one from a nearby planet? Even if you made one, it can;t be located just anywhere, only in a position where it would be uniquely and positively identified within the gate-address space. Though that would also apply to a "stolen" gate re-located (e.g. the second Earth gate).

 

[Svarog]

My point exactly. If you find a very rich planet, then there are no stargates nearby or all are being used on other planets. Then you could make your own and somehow tap into the wormhole system. Then you'd have a stargate to ferry the resources to your home-planet and back much quicker. Plus you wouldn't need to have to ship the gate there in the first place.

 

[PTeppic]

Can't disagree with the principle.

BUT, if we assume that the list of glyphs on the cartouches in the map room of Abydos are all for valid gates, supplemented by the non-Goa'uld-known list from "Fifth Race", then there LOTS of gates out there. I'm sure that many would be spare if the Goa'uld wanted to move one or two. We know they've done it twice already - it may be common practice for them.

 

[cultcross]

Id always assumed that the rings are goa'uld tech rather than Ancients. Although the circular motif is still present they seem to have been able to customise them and build them into things better than they have the stargates. From Absolute Power we know the Goa'uld have the knowledge of how to build them from scratch.

We have seen that the matter stream from the rings is visible (serpent's venom) unlike say the Aschen's transporters and they probably work on a matter-to-energy|transport energy|energy-to-matter principle rather than a true wormhole (eg the stargate)

 

[Svarog]

Most Goa'uld tech is stolen from other races. I wouldn't be surprised if they employed matter-> energy converters in their ring teleporters.

I've thought about it some more and perhaps the reason why they can't create stargates is because of the amount of energy involved. The teleporters teleport once, not continuosly like the gate and even then it takes several rings to do the job of one big ring. Considering the amount of energy it would take for the mattter to be turned into energy and the energy it would generate would be enormous I wouldn't be surprised if the Goa'uld imitation gates just blew up.

Even with heaps of powerful semiconductors, even a tiny bit of pulse could destabilise the wormhole. Especially if the stargate wasn't made of inert naquadah. Come to think of it we've never seen the Goa'ulds use inert naquadah outside of stargates. They use liquid naquadah in their staffs and crystal naq in their ships, but no sign of inert naquadah.

Other forms of naquadah are fairly volatile, especially near large amounts of energy. It takes a giant amount of energy for inert naquadah to go boom. That's why inert naquadah is used in gates. Perhaps it takes a high level of technology to create inert naquadah or is too costly for the Goa'ulds to consideer.