Let's Save Jonas character! This isn't fair with CN!

jeane

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Make CN doing short participation isn't fair. He makes a great job and we learned to love the character like the others. He is part of SG1.

Make Jonas and Daniel compete all the time, make humor between them, make a love triangle between Jack, Sam and Jonas, do something!

CN will be put apart because Ms didn't find a job somewhere else! IT'S NOT FAIR!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
I agree. I don't see why SG1 can't have 5 members. Yes, they made a big deal that SG teams have 4 members, but they could restate that as the minimum (why DJ had to replaced). Hell, they've done more inconsistent things over the run of the show.
 
I always thought that for each sg team to have four members, but for the membership to rotate, would be a good idea. So you take the most useful people on each mission.
 
I would love Jonas to stay as a regular but Daniel and Jonas basically know the same stuff (except for the language thing) - would it be feasible for there to be two people with the same role and make it interesting? Although that love triangle does sound fun hehe...

xxx
 
I did hear the news about Daniels return and the possibility of Jonas' maybe departure and thought this is not fair. Just because MS decided to return why should Corin Nemec have to suffer. As you stated maybe they could rotate the team or keep Jonas as he probably knows more that Daniel does.


annette :mad:
 
let him work on the Naquadria? or send him on those missions when Danny wants to stay behind & play archeologist. I like the idea of a 5 person team. Or make Jack be transfered to another command...new off world base so he can get it on with Sam & let Sam lead the team of Teal'c Danny, & Jonas?
 
Very unfair

I agree with you all here, why should Corin lose out just because Michael has decided he wants back in? I think it's very unfair. Corin is a wonderful actor, and I think they are extremely lucky to have someone like him on the show.

Piglet
 
I thought they brought Michael back because thats what the fans wanted, is it fair to blame Michael for Corin becoming semi-regular?

xxx
 
Nope, at least not in my opinion.
Michael sat back for one year, but now TPTB want to let the show end with the original team.
That's buissness...like when Michael's part was reduced in season four and five so he eventually decided to leave.
JMO of course...
 
I know this is OT but i hope they make Janet a regular for at least one ep like they did with Amber Benson before Tara's demise :( that would be kinda nice?

xxx
 
the decision to bring MS back likely came from Sci-fi and MGM, who, in my opinion, were scared at teh thought of RDA's limited involvement in season 7 (which was a sticking point for his negotiations from all i hear) and wanted a male 'star' for the show.

They could have created a new character, however after all the fuss about jonas i'm sure they were reluctant to do taht.
From all i've ever heard, CJ is happy with his work load, it would have been inappropriate to move Jonas to center stage and, since Sci-fi and MGM pander to the idea that sci-fi shows are watched by a young male audience, they likely felt a female lead would not have worked...so they needed a guy. MS is familiar to the audience, so is an obvious choice.

Yes, MS is coming back. Did he cause CN to get shafted, no. Not personally. MGM and SCI-FI did.

I personally think they have treated CN not nicely...yet that's the way things are.

If you're not happy at the idea, grab a pen and let sci-fi and MGM know.

Maybe they believe that CN and Jonas are universally hated and despised. It certainly can't hurt to let them know that that's not quite the truth.
 
Originally posted by skydiver
Yes, MS is coming back. Did he cause CN to get shafted, no. Not personally. MGM and SCI-FI did.

I personally think they have treated CN not nicely...yet that's the way things are.

Yes, well there is a precedent for that, isn't there...? :mad:

After the way MS was treated, it's hardly a big surprise that CN should be similarly shafted.

Maybe they believe that CN and Jonas are universally hated and despised.

I think the majority of people are mature enough to separate the actor from the character, and the general consensus appears to be that the character (which is mostly down to the writers) isn't interesting enough to be 'hated and despised'.

The trouble is, the Joint Chiefs of Staff would never have employed someone with JQ's track record and lack of relevant expertise/experience. It's just way too far beyond belief, and this implausibility has prevented me from watching most of series 6. (Loved 'Paradise Lost' though! :lol:)

On top of that, he was touted as 'not Daniel's replacement' and then given implausible abilities that would enable him to be Daniel's replacement, plus a few other extras not far short of walking on water. I think it's that equally implausible 'Super Hero' image that's irritated most of the disaffected fans.

The best Sci-Fi is usually that which keeps the need for suspension of disbelief to a minimum. Otherwise, we're talking Fantasy, not Sci-Fi. Series 6 seems to have been neither the one thing nor the other.

Best wishes,
Hatshepsut - looking forward (more in hope than expectation) to more off-world plots in keeping with the film/show's original premise which was just that - original. :wave:
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The trouble is, the Joint Chiefs of Staff would never have employed someone with JQ's track record and lack of relevant expertise/experience. It's just way too far beyond belief, and this implausibility has prevented me from watching most of series 6. (Loved 'Paradise Lost' though! )


quite frankly, the JCS never woudl have allowed SG-1 to exist at all. Colonels don't normally run field units, women and civilians sure as heck ain't on the front lines and Teal'c??? he'd have been quiestioned for intel, then locked up where he was nice and safe.
If you follow military norms, sg-1 would consist of 4 men, with the leader likely being a major, his second a capt or lieutenant and the other two non-coms.



The best Sci-Fi is usually that which keeps the need for suspension of disbelief to a minimum. Otherwise, we're talking Fantasy, not Sci-Fi. Series 6 seems to have been neither the one thing nor the other.

The whole show IS based on fantasy. It's premise is aliens, intergalactic portals, and space travel.

Best wishes,
Hatshepsut - looking forward (more in hope than expectation) to more off-world plots in keeping with the film/show's original premise which was just that - original.


we'll see if they can pull it off. For me, the whole 'planet of the week' is what turns me off classic trek.
I like plots and continuity that run from week to week. I like being able to sink my teeth into a show. If too many episodes in a season are isolated plot wise (in other words, if you miss them, you miss nothing of the story arc...like deadman's switch. Sure it was fun at the time, but we've never seen any ramifications from it. ) then where's the incentive to keep watching? Where's the reward for knowing what's going on?

the 'moral dilemma solved in 42 minutes' is what killed voyager for me, not to mention it becoming the '7 of 9' show. It's an ENSEMBLE cast and I hope they remember that.
 
Originally posted by skydiver
quite frankly, the JCS never woudl have allowed SG-1 to exist at all. Colonels don't normally run field units, women and civilians sure as heck ain't on the front lines and Teal'c??? he'd have been quiestioned for intel, then locked up where he was nice and safe.
If you follow military norms, sg-1 would consist of 4 men, with the leader likely being a major, his second a capt or lieutenant and the other two non-coms.

Quite. Which is why JQ is one giant step too far.

The best Sci-Fi is usually that which keeps the need for suspension of disbelief to a minimum.

Explaining a little further, the greatest pressure on the suspension of disbelief usually occurs with the opening premisses - in this case, the Stargate and wormhole technology, together with the setting up of the S.G.C. and S.G.-1 archetypes. Once those hurdles have been successfully cleared then it's incumbent upon the writers to show respect for their audience by not exploiting its goodwill through putting further unnecessary strains on their willingness to suspend their disbelief.

Otherwise, we're talking Fantasy, not Sci-Fi. Series 6 seems to have been neither the one thing nor the other.

The whole show IS based on fantasy. It's premise is aliens, intergalactic portals, and space travel.

Well, not really fantasy as such, I think. The fantasy genre is usually more associated with elves, dwarves, wizards and suchlike as are found in LotR, the Discworld novels, or 'Alice in Wonderland', having little or no scientific basis.

Aliens, intergalactic portals, and space travel have always belonged to the S.F. literary genre where speculative extrapolation of current scientific knowledge is used as the principal basis for imaginative fiction - although you could make a case for the present boundaries of sub-atomic physics bordering on fantasy, as with M-theory for instance. <g>

we'll see if they can pull it off. For me, the whole 'planet of the week' is what turns me off classic trek.

With me, it was Kirk smooching with 'floosie of the week' :lol: Slowed down the pace of the plot something rotten!

I like plots and continuity that run from week to week. I like being able to sink my teeth into a show.

Like BtVS? :)

If too many episodes in a season are isolated plot wise (in other words, if you miss them, you miss nothing of the story arc...like deadman's switch. Sure it was fun at the time, but we've never seen any ramifications from it. ) then where's the incentive to keep watching? Where's the reward for knowing what's going on?

I think you're being a little too hard there, Sky, in comparing 'Gate with 'Trek. I agree absolutely that the concept of Star Trek is very limiting in that there is little possibility of revisiting any previously encountered worlds/people, although the tribbles reappeared to cause more havoc. <G>

To me, the great strength of Stargate is that it's far less formulaic. Worlds such as Chulak or Abydos can be revisited at will, or their denizens can contact the S.G.C. for assistance such as Gairwyn in 'Thor's Chariot' or Thor in 'Nemesis', not to mention Hathor... eek!

I agree that one-off episodes on a different world each week would begin to pall after a while, and I have nothing against Earth-based plots in principle - 'Double Trouble?' is mostly Earth-based (gratuitous plug! <g>) - and I'm a firm Harry Maybourne fan. I'd love to see Aris Boch again, too. Maybe in series 7? The writers can go back there if they are so minded. And we do get some story arcs - TbftGoG/Pol/WtSG/TSL is a brilliant example - but a serial form in which, if you miss an episode or two, you've completely lost track of the story, is not such a good idea, as 'Farscape' has sadly found to its cost. :( Generally speaking, I think Stargate's got it about right - except... <g>

Best wishes,
Hatshepsut :wave:
 
i don't mind the occasional one off planet of the week episode. 3-4 times a year, it's fun

but what i see more and more people wanting is TWENTY TWO episodes of 'planet/moral dilemma/personal conflict of the week, with everything all tied up nice and neat in a bow and put away at the end of 42 minutes'

That's not a show (in my opinion) it's sitcom drama and boring as heck. I don't watch sitcoms, i think they're a waste of time. And if stargate goes into that arena, it's not gonna be pretty. at least not for me. I'm sure some will love it.

For six years we've had plots and arcs and continuing storylines. If we get rid of that, it'll be like baywatch...yeah, sure, hang around for the scenery but there's nothing there to challenge the mind. It's boring to me. It's one of those shows where i can get up, leave the room, come back in half an hour later and have no desire to rewind the tape.

If it goes that way, well maybe fox will keep John Doe at 8 on fridays and i'll just switch the channel.
 
Originally posted by skydiver
i don't mind the occasional one off planet of the week episode. 3-4 times a year, it's fun

I couldn't agree more - life, variety, spice thereof. :)

but what i see more and more people wanting is TWENTY TWO episodes of 'planet/moral dilemma/personal conflict of the week, with everything all tied up nice and neat in a bow and put away at the end of 42 minutes'

Really! :eek:

I guess it's a reaction to so many eps. of 'Stargate S.G. -1', with very little actual stargate... Hopefully, with the return of normality, sanity will also return. Or am I being overly sanguine here? <g>

That's not a show (in my opinion) it's sitcom drama and boring as heck. I don't watch sitcoms, i think they're a waste of time.

I agree whole-heartedly - although I have to admit, I do listen to 'The Archers'... :eek: (Um, that's a British radio series subtitled 'An everyday story of country folk', aimed originally at the farming community after WWII and it's only 12 minutes a day.)

And if stargate goes into that arena, it's not gonna be pretty. at least not for me.

Ah well, there's always 'Sumuru' to look forward to. :D

For six years we've had plots and arcs and continuing storylines. If we get rid of that, it'll be like baywatch...

Euwww!! ITYM 'Babewatch', don't you? :dead:

yeah, sure, hang around for the scenery but there's nothing there to challenge the mind. It's boring to me. It's one of those shows where i can get up, leave the room, come back in half an hour later and have no desire to rewind the tape.

Yup, definitely 'Babewatch'! ;)

Best wishes,
Hatshepsut :wave:
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