Aschen question

[bladeboy]

On a forum Brad Wright said SG-1 did something to the Aschen homeworld in "2001". I know that they were given stargate codes for black holes, but would this really do anything to the Aschen homeworld? Knowing how advanced they are surely they'd be able to cope with it...?

Jack also says that the first code is a black hole, and then they "get worse from there". I'm left wondering what the "worse" is...

In "2001" the senator tells Jack that Jack would do anything to stop him from becoming president. I'm reminded of the president who performs the commemoration in "2010", it looks like him. Is it supposed to be the same senator?

 

[Tabitha]

Originally posted by bladeboy

In "2001" the senator tells Jack that Jack would do anything to stop him from becoming president. I'm reminded of the president who performs the commemoration in "2010", it looks like him. Is it supposed to be the same senator?

To answer your final question - the President from 2010 and the Senator who has had a recurring role since Season One are indeed the same person. Senator McKinsey. I think back in Season five he announced that he was going to run for President.

 

[CynVision]

You'd have to go back to the episode Matter of Time for the problem with the black hole address. Connecting a Stargate to another Stargate near a black hole created time distortion around the Stargate that dialed the address. And it seemed that the Stargate got into some sort of power feedback so it would not disconnect. So the Aschen would have the same problem as the SGC faced in that episode. From "worse" I'm guessing that the other addresses would be less-Earthlike worlds with poison atmospheres, high UV, and nasty, bloodsucking bugs and the like. Or, the SGC gave them all the addresses of Goa'uld strongholds. Useless addresses, you see. I suppose the Aschen could cope, but would be really ticked off at the Earth for giving them the addresses.

 

[PTeppic]

Its very difficult to predict how much damage would be done by the Aschen to their own world, if they connected to the black hole planet.

They may be very advanced, but much of this skill seems to be in genetic and biological engineering, although they do seem to have particle transportation and anti-gravity technologies. Of course, this latter (i.e. what allows the harvesters to "float") could be useful against the black hole.

BUT - how would they necessarily know they had connected to one? The SGC have a history of exploring, and so have MALPs and so on ready - they would need to develop them, and alow for time distortion unexpectedly. etc.

 

[bladeboy]

Let's hope then that the Aschen get their asses whomped... Their non-exploratory manner may mean they'll get themselves into bigger trouble than Earth would.

I hope the writers show it in the future. I would love to see what happens when such "dosile intellectal meglomaniacs" get angry

 

[CynVision]

But wasn't that the method of the Aschen? To slowly and steadily conquer without military means? They applied a bio-weapon to commit genocide.

I guess it's right. The SGC is thinking their learning curve will be higher because they have to go back to the physical effort of exploration (and defense once the Goa'uld hear about them)

 

[PTeppic]

Remember: absence of proof is not proof of absence - they may have military technology, but prefer more subversive methods, which are after all better for their intended purpose of ensaring the population and keeping them friendly. Admittedly a docilility/amnesiac drug would also work (one like flunitrazepam, but with no dependency issues). But, we've seen the technology guarding the gate in "2010" so maybe they DO have military strength when they need it.

[I guess the writers were going for a "what sort of people would systematically spend 20 years wiping out a population: a cold, humourless one with lots of self-control" type scenario.]

 

[bladeboy]

I always like the Aschen, exactly because they are cold, humourless but apparently friendly. Maybe they abhor violence, which is why I thrink they prefer benign means.

One thing I wonder about is that with all that advanced technology, you'd think they'd invent a means of mass production of food. The harvesters can harvest whole fields at a time, but I'm wondering why they don't apply their science to the growing side. It seems rather inefficient to turn whole worlds into farms that use traditional means of food production, when you could have irrigated greenhouses filled with GE crops.

I wonder if all this 'natural food' is only going to the people on the Aschen homeworld, and if all the other planets in the Aschen confederacy are simply agrarian worlds?

 

[PTeppic]

Originally posted by bladeboy
It seems rather inefficient to turn whole worlds into farms that use traditional means of food production, when you could have irrigated greenhouses filled with GE crops.

Or maybe the writers did it deliberately to point out that with such advanced technology they know how bad GE crops are, and don't use them??

 

[skoon]

Originally posted by PTeppic
Or maybe the writers did it deliberately to point out that with such advanced technology they know how bad GE crops are, and don't use them??

oooh I like that idea. It would be interesting to find out if that's what the writers were thinking or if it's coincidence...