Really, I hadn't noticed. But then, I'm way past the teen movie stage. Although she did have a part in that DeNiro film which is quite a feather in her cap. She could use more seasoning I think.
-I've seen her in lots of stuff after season 3. There was Jay and Silent Bob, Bring It On, The New Guy, City By The Sea, and a I think she said on Letterman she's making a new one. And I heard she gonna be in True Lies 2. That should rule.
On that we totally agree.
-Cool.
I know what you're saying, but it would be hard to do without creating an entirely new show. I mean, I don't see Faith moving into the Summers' house and taking care of Dawn. Almost any way they handle it, it will be a different show.
-I hope you're right. Otherwise, it will just be a cheap gimmick to make more money.
"Horrid", "terrible" and "second-rate" is strong language to descibe the writing. I can't go along with that. If I thought that was true, I'd stop watching - like I have almost done with Angel.
Without turning this into a re-cap of Season Seven so far... since we are supposed to be discussing Spin-offs... there have been some very enjoyable episodes, IMO. We've seen more about Anya and Willow. In at least two episodes, "Conversations..." and "Same Time, Same Place" besides being good stories, they were told in an entertaining way.
Drew Goddard was added this year and wrote "Conversations...", as well as "Selfless" and "Never Leave Me", which counts as two of my favorites this season.
Even when, (notice I said "when" not "if" because change is unavoidable) you get different writers that doesn't gaurantee a change since the guiding hand for the season is Joss'. He writes out the season's arc before it even begins and all the episodes are written to advance his story in a way that he approves.
-This season is a step up from last, but it still isn't nearly as good as the previous seasons. I still find alot of the stories very boring and ver y derivative. And the charictarization is still pathetic.
I could go along with that.
-Preferably Andrew!
What a shame, cause I would get a real kick out of that. If Faith didn't put Anya in the hospital for speaking her mind. Okay, so it might get old after awhile, but I'd like to see blabbermouth Anya tweaking Faith into a slow burn.
-I was never really a big fan of Anya personally. She always annoyed the hell outa me, and not in the good way like Cordie did. That's basicly what I always thought of her - that she's a second rate Cordiellia. I also found her lack of remorse about her past actions to be disturbing.
It depends on what they were replaced with.
There is some merit to the idea that some have put forth of Spike as the physical trainer for a new Slayer. And there is still a lot of potential in his character. He has over 100 years of stories to tell and his recent changes haven't really been explored fully yet.
-I disagree. Spike is just a second-rate Angel now. He's been neutured beyond redemtion. His character was always more or less one-dimensional, but it was the good kind of one-dimensional like Captain Kirk or Superman. That's whats been killing his character - they've been trying to make him more multi-dimensional by using the Angel model and it isn't working. Spike is best as a dastardly, evil villian, not some goody-two-shoes do gooder. If they had just left him as he was in season 4, him trying to get the chip outa his head and what not, then I'd have no problem. I was so stoked when I thought he was going back to his killing ways, but alas that was not to be. And despite having a soul, he still hasn't even come close to the amount of remorse or sorrow over his actions that Angel has. That just disturbs me too. Spike is a character that has been going long past his due date, and he serves as nothing more then for something for the chicks to look at. You may enjoy looking at Marsters topless in every stinking episode, but I certainly don't.
I could even see Willow as the brains behind the outfit. She still hasn't made the transition into adulthood with a regular job and responsibilities. New Watchers have to come from somewhere, don't they?
--I'm just not positive that the Willow character would have as much or any chemistry with Faith the same way she did with Buffy.
Don't be too sure about that.
-Oh, I'm sure.
Well, since this is a spoiler thread, I can say that Nick has said that he is willing to stay no matter what. He even joked in one interview that he offered to be a janitor [not a character, a real janitor], if they would let him stay.
-Yea.
Now, you see I just don't get that. To put it the way Xander would say it: He is facetless. Lacking in sides and surface area, not to mention depth.
The best part of his character is Anya and she's leaving.
-That's where you are wrong. Xander is a ver deep character, you just don't see it because he's more or less just pulling comic relief duty. Trust me there is alot more to examine. Case in point: Why do think he has such hostility towards Spike and Angel? On the surface, one might think he's just being protective. But if you look at what he said to Angel in Prophecy Girl "At the end of the day, I pretty much just think you're a vampire.". This whole "fighting the good fight" nonsense is sham. He doesn't fight evil to help his friends or to do what is right. He does it becuase he wants revenge because vampires killed his best friend. You notice that he doesn't have as much hostility towards regular demons, but he does for lowly vamps. You see there is a genuie deep, dark side to the guy he tries to mask and hide with all of his one liners.
Maybe, there is that tryst they once had that's still left to deal with. But I just don't see all that many possibilites for Xander-centric shows.
-Oh come on. Any Xander centered show has always been classic in both story, character, and humor. Of course they'd have to develop his character a bit more, make him a bit more tough. Kinda like Bruce Campbell in Army of Darkness. Hey if they can make Wesley into a badass, they can do it with anyone.
I think you might be factually wrong about that one. This is one of the worst season's ever for Angel, ratings-wise.
You don't believe that WB executive that offered to let Buffy & Angel crossover this year when he said that they were doing it because it was Buffy's last season, they like Joss and wanted him to have a free-hand, as long as it was handled properly.... yada, yada, yada.
WB wouldn't allow a crossover if they thought it would hurt ratings during sweeps month. You can take that to the bank.
WB is hoping that this is Buffy's last season and they want to remind Buffy-only viewers that Angel is still on and a part of the Buffy-verse.
-Same could be said about Buffy. This season is also just as bad ratings wise for them. So I think most people agree with me about the bad writing aspect of the show. But basicly ratings are down really for all Sci-Fi/Fantasy shows in general. The 90's Sci-Fi boom that began with Star Trek:TNG seems to coming to an abrupt halt sadly.
Like I said, it can't help but be different.
-I hope so. Otherwise it will fail.
Well, why don't we call her Amanda and make her a Zombie-Slayer? Just kidding, just kidding.
It's Joss' universe. It will be different, even Joss' vision has changed in significant ways from Season One. But you can't change it too much without losing the rich history and lore of the series, which is what many of us enjoy so much.
-I agree.
After all, even Faith admitted that she wouldn't be the woman she is today if it hadn't been for meeting Buffy.
-She was being fecisious.
Well, they may still keep the Hellmouth and someone will have to keep an eye on that.
Besides, on the practical side, the episodes are already VERY expensive considering their ratings and going to NY would just make things cost more. Unless they become one of those many series that shoot in Canada and pretend to be in the US.
For Buffy, and Angel for that matter, the city they are in isn't really the story. Except for the fact that Sunnydale is small enough that you can appear to destroy the entire town without spending too much money, the locale is secondary to the story of the characters.
Angel, to me at least, makes the idea of an Apocalypse happening in LA without anyone figuring out that the cause is mystical, frankly, pretty silly.
It's much easier to cover up the truth from the Sunnydale Press [Headline from OMWF: "MAYHEM CAUSED - Monsters Certainly Not Involved, Officials Say"] than from the LA or NY Times.
It just makes it seem more unbelievable to me. Now if you want to take a small town or city and make it more dark and sinister, that might seem reasonable.
-I just see Faith fitting in a big city, rather then a small town, more beleivable to me. Her character is ver dark and gritty, and there for would fit in the city much better then she would a small town.
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You have some interesting ideas, though. I look forward to seeing which way Joss does decide to take things.
-So long as they don't screw it up, like they have been for the past 2 seasons, I should be happy. However, judging by the lack of quality the show has had recently, I'm not counting on it. Bringing in a new star is just a cheap gimmick to get ratings and will prove pointless in the long run so long as the writing is has bad as it is now.
