How come when a gate is being dialed to, before the wormhole is made, the inner ring starts spinning? It spins around to the address and then makes the wormhole, so it must spin while it's being dialed to, but if you are still dialing then the gate doesn't know where your going yet, and therefore doesn't know which other gate has to statr spinning. I don't know if there is an answer for this I have over looked or anything but it's always bugged me.
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Most gates don't spin the wheel when receiving wormholes, only the SGC gate seems to do that. BUT, you're point is still valid for the chevron lights engaging. Its been discussed somewhere here, because I remember using a telephone exchange example...
If you dialled 712345, you wouldn't expect every phone with a number starting 7 to ring on the first digit dialled, with all those not with a 1 as second digit stopping ringing on the second etc... as you realised.
One possible suggestion (which I think is most likely) is the non-parallel timelines of the editing: although we see shots cut together as if they are perfectly in sync, timewise, the "destination" planet is perhaps a few seconds later in time. Therefore, when the whole address is dialled, it can be detected by the destination and the chevrons lit.
A second suggestion, (perhaps even more likley) is that they didn't think it through properly during artistic development, and have never thought to fix it, either... and there is no "technical" reason.
If you dialled 712345, you wouldn't expect every phone with a number starting 7 to ring on the first digit dialled, with all those not with a 1 as second digit stopping ringing on the second etc... as you realised.
One possible suggestion (which I think is most likely) is the non-parallel timelines of the editing: although we see shots cut together as if they are perfectly in sync, timewise, the "destination" planet is perhaps a few seconds later in time. Therefore, when the whole address is dialled, it can be detected by the destination and the chevrons lit.
A second suggestion, (perhaps even more likley) is that they didn't think it through properly during artistic development, and have never thought to fix it, either... and there is no "technical" reason.
Considering the fact that everything about the SGC's dialing program is completly jerry rigged, un-needed spinning may be a side effect of using a dialing program that the gate wasn't designed for.
...I mean hell, Earth's dialing program almost caused (SPOILER FOR SEASON...i don't really know...) them to blow up a sun because their wormhole passed through it, and DHDs usually prevent such things.
...I mean hell, Earth's dialing program almost caused (SPOILER FOR SEASON...i don't really know...) them to blow up a sun because their wormhole passed through it, and DHDs usually prevent such things.
Yes, My guess is that the stargate can be highly influenced by the dialing device.
Earths dialing computers have caused problems in more then just the sun episode. The episode where teal'c gets trapped inside the stargate (not really a spoiler) shows that the computers program ignores several signals from the gate. So it's safe to assume it does other bad stuff too.
They really should improve the software
They have said before that the earth dialing computers were created by randomly sending different signals to the gate to find out what everything does.
Yes, My guess is that the stargate can be highly influenced by the dialing device.
Earths dialing computers have caused problems in more then just the sun episode. The episode where teal'c gets trapped inside the stargate (not really a spoiler) shows that the computers program ignores several signals from the gate. So it's safe to assume it does other bad stuff too.
They really should improve the software
They have said before that the earth dialing computers were created by randomly sending different signals to the gate to find out what everything does.
It is suggested by both Carter and Dr. McKay that the dialing computer uses electrical impulses to stimulate the dialing proceedure of the gate. The connections are of course not perfect, and some errors would likely occur. Remember that it took Carters team 15 (I stress the 15) years and 3 super computers to MacGyver a dialing system, and even at that its never going to work right without a DHD.
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The Stargate network is basicaly a giant super computer network, with each gate able to communicate with any other gate in the network, given that the network safeties aren't tripped(passing through a sun being one of these safeties).
The gates obviously can compute millions of times faster than anything on earth, and the only purpose that the SGC computer system serves is to dial the gate, and read the information it picks up from the gate. The gate itself does everything else(case in point, the earth Stargate can still function without a proper DHD).
When one gate dials another it requires that the reciving gate be "turned on", much in the same way that you need someone to pick up the other end of the phone when you make a call.
Normally the gates sit in a stand-by state, minimal power with the inner track locked(Tantilus). But when you dial that gate, it powers up to recive the wormhole and any travelers that might be comming through. When power is introduced, the inner track unlocks and spins, incomming or out going.
The gates work much like a telephone, but far faster and over much greater distances. Your phone, when dialed, stores the number in itself untill you reach a certain prerequisit(example, 555-1234 will send, unless you place a 1 in front of it, then the prerequisit changes and it waits for you to reach the new point) and then sends the entire sequence in one burst over the phone lines to contact the reciving phone, this of course has to go through a routing station to be directed to the right phone.
With the gates however, the transmiter and routing station are all contained within each ring. You dial, and when you finish, in less time than it takes you to blink the "number" is sent to the "routing station", and a signal is sent to the reviving gate to open a wormhole. The cheverons lighting up on the reciving gate are just an indicator of the reciving gate powering up and serve no real purpose other than to let people near the gate know that there is an incomming wormhole, and that they might want to step back if they are right next to the gate(another saftey feature to protect those who are too close from getting caught in the "blast" of the gate opening).
It takes a while longer than the series shows to establich a wormhole. If you think about it, the closest system to ours takes light far longer than a year to reach us from that system, so it would take the Stargate system a little while to send a wormhole as well.
Just remember, these gates were built by a species far more advanced than humans with a far better understanding of these things. They flew an entire city out of our galaxy for crying out loud.
Anyway, it's just an idea on how the gate system works, even I don't know how they actually work. But what I typed sounds like a really good way on how they could work.
The gates obviously can compute millions of times faster than anything on earth, and the only purpose that the SGC computer system serves is to dial the gate, and read the information it picks up from the gate. The gate itself does everything else(case in point, the earth Stargate can still function without a proper DHD).
When one gate dials another it requires that the reciving gate be "turned on", much in the same way that you need someone to pick up the other end of the phone when you make a call.
Normally the gates sit in a stand-by state, minimal power with the inner track locked(Tantilus). But when you dial that gate, it powers up to recive the wormhole and any travelers that might be comming through. When power is introduced, the inner track unlocks and spins, incomming or out going.
The gates work much like a telephone, but far faster and over much greater distances. Your phone, when dialed, stores the number in itself untill you reach a certain prerequisit(example, 555-1234 will send, unless you place a 1 in front of it, then the prerequisit changes and it waits for you to reach the new point) and then sends the entire sequence in one burst over the phone lines to contact the reciving phone, this of course has to go through a routing station to be directed to the right phone.
With the gates however, the transmiter and routing station are all contained within each ring. You dial, and when you finish, in less time than it takes you to blink the "number" is sent to the "routing station", and a signal is sent to the reviving gate to open a wormhole. The cheverons lighting up on the reciving gate are just an indicator of the reciving gate powering up and serve no real purpose other than to let people near the gate know that there is an incomming wormhole, and that they might want to step back if they are right next to the gate(another saftey feature to protect those who are too close from getting caught in the "blast" of the gate opening).
It takes a while longer than the series shows to establich a wormhole. If you think about it, the closest system to ours takes light far longer than a year to reach us from that system, so it would take the Stargate system a little while to send a wormhole as well.
Just remember, these gates were built by a species far more advanced than humans with a far better understanding of these things. They flew an entire city out of our galaxy for crying out loud.
Anyway, it's just an idea on how the gate system works, even I don't know how they actually work. But what I typed sounds like a really good way on how they could work.
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This is not how a phone works - otherwise half the phones in a city will be active for every dialling into the city, just waiting for the final few digits.
The O/P was concerned about the apparent effect whereby the inner ring of the destination 'gate begins spinning up and unlocking, when the source gate is only three or four chevrons into the dialled address... Do we believe this is clearly impossible, and effectively just an editing gimmick: otherwise half the gates in the galaxy would be spinning up?
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