Who is the Mother of the Matrix?
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Since I started this, I figured I ought to vote, too. 
Most of my reasons for chosing the Oracle are symbolic: ie. she gives people advice, she's always feeding Neo, she's non-confrontational, and she had an apartment full of kids when we first met her.
The other part of my reason is that in order to predict the outcomes of human choices, she'd have to know humans pretty well... for a computer program. I think a big part of her original programming was to investigate "certain aspects of the human psyche," which is about the only clue that the Architect gives Neo regarding the "mother of the Matrix."
Anyone else?
Most of my reasons for chosing the Oracle are symbolic: ie. she gives people advice, she's always feeding Neo, she's non-confrontational, and she had an apartment full of kids when we first met her.
The other part of my reason is that in order to predict the outcomes of human choices, she'd have to know humans pretty well... for a computer program. I think a big part of her original programming was to investigate "certain aspects of the human psyche," which is about the only clue that the Architect gives Neo regarding the "mother of the Matrix."
Anyone else?
I have no reasons other than stated. The Oracle just has that motherly aroma. She even gives Neo a cookie to make him "feel better".
Persephone, though it would seem likely, doesn't have what you would call a motherly feel to her. She lusts for a kiss, how many mothers lust for a passionate kiss?
Trinity has a girlfriend feel to her, so Im really not convinced she could be the mother.
Another thing that makes me think the Oracle is a sure fire guess is that she's seems intelligent, she's old which gives the impression she's experienced, she's even programed to know the emotional side of humans, as was said, to investigate "certain aspects of the human psyche".
I'd even be convinced if she's the Grandmother of the Matrix, if not stated otherwise.
Persephone, though it would seem likely, doesn't have what you would call a motherly feel to her. She lusts for a kiss, how many mothers lust for a passionate kiss?
Trinity has a girlfriend feel to her, so Im really not convinced she could be the mother.
Another thing that makes me think the Oracle is a sure fire guess is that she's seems intelligent, she's old which gives the impression she's experienced, she's even programed to know the emotional side of humans, as was said, to investigate "certain aspects of the human psyche".
I'd even be convinced if she's the Grandmother of the Matrix, if not stated otherwise.
I say the oracle for all the reasons above. The Motherly deminour thing. I never caught that but yes, thats so true, Stripes...PK
But for me the evidence that the oracle is clearly a program and clearly in one who had some understanding of human nature "..She told you exactly what you needed to hear... Morpheus". makes her clearly what the Architect was refering too... the intuative program. (intuative, intuition, seeing the future.. Oracle.)
And Persephone, well her name makes reference to the wife of Hadies who is the Merovingian... Not a very motherly connotation. I still think she may have been an early attempt to fill the roll that the Oracle does but she was not sufficient to the task and was sent to the backdoor world with all the other bad programs. I hope she is in "Revolutions" tho.. great character!
But for me the evidence that the oracle is clearly a program and clearly in one who had some understanding of human nature "..She told you exactly what you needed to hear... Morpheus". makes her clearly what the Architect was refering too... the intuative program. (intuative, intuition, seeing the future.. Oracle.)
And Persephone, well her name makes reference to the wife of Hadies who is the Merovingian... Not a very motherly connotation. I still think she may have been an early attempt to fill the roll that the Oracle does but she was not sufficient to the task and was sent to the backdoor world with all the other bad programs. I hope she is in "Revolutions" tho.. great character!
well my vote is Persephone...I know little evidence to support it but for me its more of an elimination process...
Oracle? yes very strong and seemingly obvious candidate...which in my books, rules her out since W Bros clever to trick us. Is she originally to investigate human psyche then became the "fortune teller"? Is it not more likely she is designed for specific purpose of guiding the One back to the Source?
Trinity? might as well be Niobe (ie female characters).....I really can't see any strong points for this at all. The close link to Neo is all that goes to "support" this theory...
Persephone? well back to square one. Process of elimination is one. Another is programme to investigate "certain aspects of the human psyche," which can be taken as emotions, particularly love...hence her desire to experience his "real love" kiss. She asks the same of Niobe and Ghost so not just a "Neo thing"
also she is the "Mother of the Matrix" by her part in helping create the more "stable" form of Matrix today...she is NOT Neo or anyone else's mother literally so don't freak out, its not an Oedipus complex thing
well, we'll all just have to wait till Nov
Oracle? yes very strong and seemingly obvious candidate...which in my books, rules her out since W Bros clever to trick us. Is she originally to investigate human psyche then became the "fortune teller"? Is it not more likely she is designed for specific purpose of guiding the One back to the Source?
Trinity? might as well be Niobe (ie female characters).....I really can't see any strong points for this at all. The close link to Neo is all that goes to "support" this theory...
Persephone? well back to square one. Process of elimination is one. Another is programme to investigate "certain aspects of the human psyche," which can be taken as emotions, particularly love...hence her desire to experience his "real love" kiss. She asks the same of Niobe and Ghost so not just a "Neo thing"
also she is the "Mother of the Matrix" by her part in helping create the more "stable" form of Matrix today...she is NOT Neo or anyone else's mother literally
so don't freak out, its not an Oedipus complex thing well, we'll all just have to wait till Nov
Well, some of the opinions obviously go back to what the original programs of the machine characters were. What was Persephone's original programming? What was the Oracle's? Check out this thread to discuss that: http://www.ascifi.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=409308#post409308
And we'll all have to wait until then to see if anything we've postulated is correct.
Re: Persephone:
Hurry up November!
Yeah, me too.I'd even be convinced if she's the Grandmother of the Matrix, if not stated otherwise.
Yes. We do.
And we'll all have to wait until then to see if anything we've postulated is correct.Re: Persephone:
How did she help create a more "stable" Matrix 6.0? Not sure I understand you here. And, like someone else mentioned before, I think Persephone's need to kiss people (even Niobe) is her way of figuring them out... like Seraph fighting them. It's how she reads their code, so to speak. Besides, the kiss she wanted from Neo was given very specific requirements... and definately not motherly ones. :disturbed It is possible that she was created to aid the Merovingian and no more. We may be giving her more credit than she deserves.
Sounds like something my mom would do... if the Source was where I needed to go.
Hurry up November!
Jeez, tim! :disgust: All I can do is hope you're dead wrong about that! :erm:
Of course, if there's no mention of it in Revolutions, I think we all ought to take that as a huge freakin' hint that Neo's guess was the right one: The Oracle was the "mother" of the matrix. :naughty:
Of course, if there's no mention of it in Revolutions, I think we all ought to take that as a huge freakin' hint that Neo's guess was the right one: The Oracle was the "mother" of the matrix. :naughty:
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