Insights after watching the DVD...

[pkgrl]

Hey, don't bother telling me that I obsess. I already know it. But in watching the Reloaded DVD (six hours after buying it... hey, I had to finish work, right?) I had some new insights that I thought would be enough to start a new thread in this forum. (Indulge the mod, okay?) Some of this was touched on in previous threads, but I don't think that we came to any real conclusions or were able to put to rest any debates. Maybe this will help....

You decide.

The Architect made every one of his arguements and points based on machine logic. Neo, he claimed, was an "integral anomoly" in the equation that is the Matrix. If Neo is the "remainder" of this complex equation, and he is human (as everyone in the movie claimed), then this remainder is based on the flaws of humans. Namely, machine logic within the matrix will always be bound by the human qualities of ethics and emotion. The Architect (and all other machines) expect logic, while humans depend on hope, love, and expectation of peace.

Choice in the matrix means imperfection where mathematical perfection is sought. The original matrix failed because it was mathematically perfect which means that humans had absolutely no choice. When they were finally allowed this choice, the equation became flawed, creating the remainder the humans called the One which represented a hope for a better future, even if they were completely unaware of their actual reality.

And this struck me as a key phrase that we've been ignoring: "It's interesting, reading your reaction," Architect to Neo. If he were human, the Architect would probably have said "it's interesting watching your reaction." But since the Architect is a program reading the code of what it sees as another program (even if it IS a program bound by human frailties and emotions) it "reads" Neo's reactions instead of simply perceiving them visually.

Edited to add:
Another key or maybe just ironic phrase that only just now struck me: Morpheus (named after the "king of dreams") saying to Zion: "Good-night, Zion. Sweet dreams."
Can't believe that symbolic irony got by me all those times I saw it in the theater.

Hmmmmm. Maybe I was too consumed by the visual elements in the theater.

Naaaawwwww. That's just silly. Heck, I only became the mod of this forum after I saw it ___ time in the theater! :upto:

I think I know why the Neb's crew abandoned ship instead of using the EMP to stop the bomb, too. I think the EMP is kind of an all or nothing kind of weapon and once used, it would take a lot of time to recharge. If they had used the EMP against the bomb, then the five squiddies hanging back would have swooped in and picked them apart. By then, they wouldn't have been able to abandon ship without being caught or killed. Their only option was to do as Neo said and "get out" while they could, while the bomb was still incoming.

Anyone else?

 

[Spudnik]

hehehe, well i cant believe you missed all those things while watching it in the theater either.

allrighty:
im contemplating what the lines that bane drew on his hand mean. can smith really be percieving his own lifeline, or permanently etching a parallel between himself and bane?

hard to tell.

another thing that strikes me (it coulda been a trivia qwestion): the floor where mero and persephone are, is number 101.

odd.

the root password for the power system backup is (get a hold of urself) ZION0101
root is 10.2.2.2 which is really nothing very large.

cool

also: does the keymaker leave the matrix? when? how? i dont think he does, but after the briefing scene with niobe and soren, we see morph and trin load up again.

wierd.

the most dead giveaway for something is the line that smith gives after the streetlight smashes and neo does his superman thing for the first time: it happened exactly as before.

woo.

why are there no walls in the black floor, only doors?

cool.

 

[pkgrl]

First, what "black floor"?

And thanks for getting that access code. I didn't realize it was ZION0101. That's kind of like Zion/Neo, since Neo is 101 or 0101 in most of the incarnations of that number.

And I knew that about the floor the restaurant was on, 101. After seeing it 8 times in the theater, that one did NOT escape me.

But I never did try to catch the access code that Trinity entered in the computer. Great pickup!

You know, I never gave much thought to the cuts that Bane makes in his hand. We had some discussion here about what it meant for him to cut himself at all, but we didn't ever discuss the symbolism of him slicing two parallel lines into the palm of one hand. It might mean something that it was his palm, too, and that he was cutting the left hand.

And how's this for a new question. Did the medic on the Hammer (at the very end of Reloaded) notice Bane's cuts? Hmmmmmm.

 

[Spudnik]

de black floor is the special floor that exited off the corridor, where the keymaker died.

good qwestion. the hammer girl may have noticed, and the captain certainly was peeved at having only one survivor of the other ships. perhaps they all knew?

 

[pkgrl]

Originally posted by Spudnik
de black floor is the special floor that exited off the corridor, where the keymaker died.

Ahhhhh. It looked like a server room with doors built into the servers. Maybe I'll look at it more closely next time.

good qwestion. the hammer girl may have noticed, and the captain certainly was peeved at having only one survivor of the other ships. perhaps they all knew?

Well, they're certainly suspicious of him, that's for sure. But I doubt they actually "know" anything about the Bane/Smith connection. The possibility hasn't occurred to them. Even Neo, who has learned to expect almost anything, has no idea of what Smith has apparently done. At least, not yet.... :upto:

 

[timdgreat]

i also wonderd how Bane didnt get any blood on neos hand when they shook hands in the corridor, i mean we saw it all over his and it wasnt like it was dried or anything

im sad to say that i wasnt looking for all thoose little things that u two seemed to have noticed like the codes and the numbers, mabye i need to dedicate at least one watching of the movie to looking for little things:rolly2:

 

[Spudnik]

bane cut his left hand, and shook neo's right hand.

so the blood was never on the hand that he shook with.

or on the knife.

 

[timdgreat]

actually im almost 99% postive that there actually was blood on the knife and on his hand, im dead positive i saw some:rolly2:

 

[Spudnik]

now that ure looking for the german book, u can look for the hand thing too.

 

[timdgreat]

but im already positive that there was blood on his hand, so why dont u look for itl:rolly2:

 

[Spudnik]

ok.

 

[pkgrl]

There was a bit of blood on Bane's right hand, but not all that much. And it was in a place that wasn't obvious or that noticable to someone shaking his hand.

Besides, getting blood on yourself, incidentially, like that can be overlooked and later explained away when it is noticed. Happens all the time. If Neo didn't feel the blood, and it wasn't a puddle, he had no reason to look for it. Totally natural the way it was played, imo.

 

[timdgreat]

im afraid im still gonna have to disagree, if u went to shake some ones hand and u had blood all over it, which by the look of it was still fresh and warm, then the person whos hand u were shaking would usually ask what had happened or if u were ok, its not something u fail to notice :rolly2:

 

[pkgrl]

But I don't think there was all that much blood on Bane's right hand. His left, the one that was cut, he kept hidden behind his back. His right hand looked like it only had a trace amount on it. A finger print-sized spot of blood that might be overlooked if it were transfered. (Sorry if it sounds like I watch CSI... I do.)

 

[timdgreat]

lol nothing wrong with watching Csi, but im still unconvinced that neo wouldnt have noticed it. oh well, back to getting ready for revolutions:rolly2:

 

[pkgrl]

Yeah, but look at Bane's right hand again, tim. There are a couple smudges on it, that's all. It's not like blood was dripping off his fingers or anything.

Haven't you ever cut yourself and not noticed, even though there's a little trickle of blood on your arm or leg? I've done it several times, so Neo not noticing a smudge of blood that was transfered to him via a handshake is completely understandable to me. He is, after all, "irrevicably human."

 

[Spudnik]

irrevokably. hehehe nit picks.

 

[pkgrl]

Okay, spud, neither of us can spell. It's irrevocably. duh :blush:

 

[timdgreat]

thats for sure, i cant spell and type at the same time, and whats wrong with nitpicking, it helps pass the time:rolly2: