An attempt to use a Xindi subspace corridor leads Enterprise to a bizarre encounter with another Starfleet ship.
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This is what I like to hear 
, nothing like a startrek episode where the crew meet future Federation ships.
I do however feel they have let an excellent chance slip away here, this episode could have been used to screen both The Next Generation and Archers crew. What an episode that would have been.
, nothing like a startrek episode where the crew meet future Federation ships.I do however feel they have let an excellent chance slip away here, this episode could have been used to screen both The Next Generation and Archers crew. What an episode that would have been.
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I would guess that the TNG crew would cost too much. Same with using VOY and DS9 though you could do it with just one or two of them on the Voyager or Defiant sometime after the end of those series.
The spoiler says that it is an "Enterprise" they meet though. That means it won't be Sulu's Excelsior again, with a young Tuvok aboard.
They could do the Enterprise NCC-1701, recasting Kirk, Spock and Co, or maybe with a younger Captain Pike.
But I think that 3 generations would place it sometime further in the future than Kirk, and before Picard. Wouldn't it be more like John Harriman or Rachel Garrett?
edit: From this quote I think it will be some other Enterprise that we haven't seen yet...
Though how it can be yet another Enterprise is beyond me
We've already seen "A,B,C and bloody D" to quote Scotty. :evil:
Alternatively, I've read fan speculation that it could be a mirror universe ship, or it could be a ship stuck in a time-loop like 'Children of Time' DS9, and that the crew are the descendents of the crew of Archer's time. The Captain being a descendent of T'Pol and either Archer or Trip. I think it sounds unlikely, if not an overly complicated storyline to have all those time travel elements in a single episode.
I would guess that the TNG crew would cost too much. Same with using VOY and DS9 though you could do it with just one or two of them on the Voyager or Defiant sometime after the end of those series.
The spoiler says that it is an "Enterprise" they meet though. That means it won't be Sulu's Excelsior again, with a young Tuvok aboard.
They could do the Enterprise NCC-1701, recasting Kirk, Spock and Co, or maybe with a younger Captain Pike.
But I think that 3 generations would place it sometime further in the future than Kirk, and before Picard. Wouldn't it be more like John Harriman or Rachel Garrett?
edit: From this quote I think it will be some other Enterprise that we haven't seen yet...
Though how it can be yet another Enterprise is beyond me
We've already seen "A,B,C and bloody D" to quote Scotty. :evil:
Alternatively, I've read fan speculation that it could be a mirror universe ship, or it could be a ship stuck in a time-loop like 'Children of Time' DS9, and that the crew are the descendents of the crew of Archer's time. The Captain being a descendent of T'Pol and either Archer or Trip. I think it sounds unlikely, if not an overly complicated storyline to have all those time travel elements in a single episode.
That's what I thought - John Harriman (B) or Rachel Garrett (C) - unless it's a mirror universe.
Of course, no one has said that there wasn't another Captain of the B after Harriman, or a Captain of the C before Garrett.
Of course, no one has said that there wasn't another Captain of the B after Harriman, or a Captain of the C before Garrett.
Well the enigma is solved.
Spoiler ridden!
Which all goes to make it another poor and messy episode, with or without what is now the arbitary space battle.
The questions for today:-
I won't ask the obvious, like how did they keep Enterprise flying and operational.
But...
Why, given that Archer was propelled back before all the problems began, didn't he stop the whole thing by introducing himself as future chap to the Xindi?. Afterall with several hundred years to play with there is time.
Why does it seem everybody except present day Archer seem to be capable of time travel?
How did Enterprise avoid being found for hundreds of years?
Spoiler ridden!
It is this Enterprise having hung around 140 years so that it can meet itself.
Which all goes to make it another poor and messy episode, with or without what is now the arbitary space battle.
The questions for today:-
I won't ask the obvious, like how did they keep Enterprise flying and operational.
But...
Why, given that Archer was propelled back before all the problems began, didn't he stop the whole thing by introducing himself as future chap to the Xindi?. Afterall with several hundred years to play with there is time.
Why does it seem everybody except present day Archer seem to be capable of time travel?
How did Enterprise avoid being found for hundreds of years?
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I didn’t think it was quite that bad an ep, epically when you consider that it was a filler as they lead up to the last couple of big episodes and whilst they rendezvoused with Degra. And they did keep it moving forward with the plot in he first and last 5 minutes of the episode. On top of that I feel they could’ve turned the 44 minutes into something far worse. Call me an optimist
As to your questions…
Why di Archer no ac a you suggest? Well I can only guess that it has something to do with contamination of the timeline and the consequences o them of anything that they did. Would also put to you that Archer and his crew had total faith in the ability of those that came after them to act as necessary and stop the probe and or warn Earth about it.
Found by whom exactly? Generally though I would say that a hundred years before the present day, avoiding contact with ships and certain species would not be too difficult when you take into account the reduced number of ships and space firing species equal to that of Enterprise. Besides, there is enough space out there for Enterprise to hide in or keep out of the way whilst they bide their time [That is, when they don’t need supplies of course]. They probably wouldn’t have made a run for the nebula until the last minute relatively speaking. Although in the episode they did mentin coming into contact with multiple species and acquiring technology and traded ith them.
I have a question or two of my own and a bit more to say but my computer is right up the creek
and It keeps crashing so later for now.Oh nearly forgot, I give this ep a 3
or close as. Nick,
Yes, but meeting Picard or Kirk would have been better.
There have been too many of these alternate reality/time travel episodes. I like time travel paradoxes, but this is meant to be a Star Trek prequel show, not Sliders or Dr Who.
I thought it was nice how they actually asked a lot of the temporal paradox questions, and logistical questions about spares and supplies themselves in the script, even if they couldn’t answer them. It saves us from asking them. They did miss why Archer or Lorian simply present himself at the Xindii council just prior to the first arrival of ‘future gal’ and explain everything to them then. Oh! End of story sorry!
Or, when he failed to destroy the first Xindii probe, it would then have made sense to show himself and recount the whole story to Starfleet. At least knowing all about the Spheres, Sphere-Builders and Xindii in advance would have saved time and given Archer more time to contact Degara before the launch of the planet-killing weapon.
They had made a huge number of modifications to the Enterprise, but they could get the hull plating fixed?
I think they were deliberately hiding to prevent polluting the Timeline. There was a comment about the Xindii's question of how many vessels Starfleet had in the Expanse possibly being due to them picking up sensor readings of the 100 year old ship. It's not very convincing though.
Did you notice the naming of the NX-02 "Columbia"?
Dr Phlox is a busy Gynaecologist in the future. From the number of species found in those DNA samples he must have had people queuing up at his sickbay for consultations on inter-species reproduction on a daily basis. He actually says that he must be responsible for the mixed prodigy.
I think it’s about time they used the transporter creatively like this, and considering that the ship was identical, it makes sense that they could surgically remove various parts at will. But wouldn’t removal of a part of a Warp engine or Electro-Plasma conduit while it was in use lead to a large explosion?
OT: Nick -- It sounds like your PC has one of those newer viruses? My Mum and Dad had that problem. Easily identified and removed if you have.
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There have been a fair few temporal based episodes although it probably seems worse than it is, season 3 has een congested with these kind of plots compared to the first two seasons or it feels like that o me at least.
On the issue of the Xindi question and the possibility of multiple Starfleet ships being in the expanse, well the way they linked the other Enterprise ith it did all seem a bit neat and convenient an unnecessary I think; If you’re the Xindi and building that a weapon with the potential to destroy a planet and you already know one Earth ship is in the expanse and after it, you’re bound to ask that question and add on top of that the paranoia of the reptilian Xindi an their arrogance toward others including other Xindi.
Yes I too notice that name of the second NX class ship; I memory of the fated Space Shuttle and tis crew do you agree?
I thought it would’ve been nice if we’d seen Phlox’s successor, whether the Phlox line has continued in medicine for one and who was his wife or partner. Do we know how long Denoblians live for on average, closer t Vulcans or to Humans?
I’m not too sure about the warp engine but the plasma conduit might cause a problem or two but then we know there were only minor injuries. The transporter is very versatile as we all know they’ve come a long way since the beginning where they were a bit apprehensive about it but now hey se it for what it can do for them when the situation requires it. Its grow o hem just like this series with me.
Yeah I’ve encountered the odd virus in recent months, it’s not that though with this m computer just likes to overheat and crash or turn itself off for half an hour without warning, can be a real pain n the *** as you can imagine. I should really get it fixed I know.
Nick,
There is nothing wrong with time episodes, parse. Heavens, I love Doctor Who!
The problem is the way they are used in Enterprise (all seasons). They are the equivalent of the radio News Flash used in comedy shows to cover gaps. A conveniently contrived plot device to allow them to avoid any form of build up, plot, pre-planning or sense.
In this case, new Enterprise, having improbably hung around for hundreds of years for old Enterprise to appear, appears. Claims they can make old Enterprise twice as fast with a system they can't use. Then just as miraculously Old T'Pot tells them in the nick of time that the new bits won't work anyhow. Then New Enterprise disappears, ready to reappear for another incredibly convenient time.
Along with Trek appearing to be P/Mount's answer to the Youth Opportunities Programme, for directors, writers and any other tom fool thingy they feel like- Let's face it Ms Dawson is not exactly an experienced director (or actress).
I'm sorry but it irks!
Nick- I think your problem is the fan on the CPU has failed- They can be replaced- Cost about £5 from PCWorld or 50p from EBuyer
The problem is the way they are used in Enterprise (all seasons). They are the equivalent of the radio News Flash used in comedy shows to cover gaps. A conveniently contrived plot device to allow them to avoid any form of build up, plot, pre-planning or sense.
In this case, new Enterprise, having improbably hung around for hundreds of years for old Enterprise to appear, appears. Claims they can make old Enterprise twice as fast with a system they can't use. Then just as miraculously Old T'Pot tells them in the nick of time that the new bits won't work anyhow. Then New Enterprise disappears, ready to reappear for another incredibly convenient time.
Along with Trek appearing to be P/Mount's answer to the Youth Opportunities Programme, for directors, writers and any other tom fool thingy they feel like- Let's face it Ms Dawson is not exactly an experienced director (or actress).
I'm sorry but it irks!
Nick- I think your problem is the fan on the CPU has failed- They can be replaced- Cost about £5 from PCWorld or 50p from EBuyer
Actor/Directors
I don't know all the actor/directors backgrounds, but some may have also studied directing at their various theatre schools. Star Trek does seem to have more that the usual share of these, though I read that they have actually been trying to cut back on it at little.
There are some advantages to having directors that have been Star Trek actors though. It is a difficult show to direct; acting to blue screens, characters who are aliens who are not portrayed like normal human characters, certain Canon things that can or cannot happen. A new director brought in is not familiar with, and has to get up to speed on these things.
Having said that, surely that is a directors job, and they do have some very experienced directors, who have never acted, who have no problems.
I don't know all the actor/directors backgrounds, but some may have also studied directing at their various theatre schools. Star Trek does seem to have more that the usual share of these, though I read that they have actually been trying to cut back on it at little.
There are some advantages to having directors that have been Star Trek actors though. It is a difficult show to direct; acting to blue screens, characters who are aliens who are not portrayed like normal human characters, certain Canon things that can or cannot happen. A new director brought in is not familiar with, and has to get up to speed on these things.
Having said that, surely that is a directors job, and they do have some very experienced directors, who have never acted, who have no problems.
I would happily concede:
There may be a benefit in using Trek actors as directors,
That blue screen directing is more difficult than having all the bits.
There is less time/money available for getting things right,
That trainees have to have somewhere to start before going on to quality shows.
I would even accept that the trainees are not responsible for the worst episodes. But where they are used, it is noticeable. Characters change in attitude and mood between shots in the scene, let alone strange changes through the episode.
But given that, why throw your trainees at the deep end, where experience, confidence, ability and personality are needed to make the show work at all?
(Ms Dawson has directed 2 Trek episodes, a charmed episode and two others)
There may be a benefit in using Trek actors as directors,
That blue screen directing is more difficult than having all the bits.
There is less time/money available for getting things right,
That trainees have to have somewhere to start before going on to quality shows.
I would even accept that the trainees are not responsible for the worst episodes. But where they are used, it is noticeable. Characters change in attitude and mood between shots in the scene, let alone strange changes through the episode.
But given that, why throw your trainees at the deep end, where experience, confidence, ability and personality are needed to make the show work at all?
(Ms Dawson has directed 2 Trek episodes, a charmed episode and two others)