New Poll: Are you a Sam/Jack shipper?
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Hatshepsut
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Definitely not. It violates A.F.I. 36-2909 for one thing, and breaking the oath they both swore to uphold makes them seem dishonourable.
The whole 'ship thing has spoiled the best part of three seasons for me. I'm a sci-fi fan, not a soap-opera romance fan.
As regards 'chemistry', there's more sparkage between Jack and Harry Maybourne than Colonel O'Neill and Major Carter who don't seem to have anything in common outside of work.
Why do his eyes always glaze over everytime she 'prattles on' (his expression) about something that interests her, and why does she always make excuses not to go fishing. Anyone who really fancied Jack would jump at the chance, but not Sam.
Not that I object to 'ship in fics. That's fine because it's not shoved in your face. You have the choice.
I like slash, but I don't want to see that on screen either. Just give us friendship between all the members of The Team, and let the fic writers put their own spin on it. That way everybody's happy.
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Hatshepsut :wave:
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The whole 'ship thing has spoiled the best part of three seasons for me. I'm a sci-fi fan, not a soap-opera romance fan.
As regards 'chemistry', there's more sparkage between Jack and Harry Maybourne than Colonel O'Neill and Major Carter who don't seem to have anything in common outside of work.
Why do his eyes always glaze over everytime she 'prattles on' (his expression) about something that interests her, and why does she always make excuses not to go fishing. Anyone who really fancied Jack would jump at the chance, but not Sam.
Not that I object to 'ship in fics. That's fine because it's not shoved in your face. You have the choice.
I like slash, but I don't want to see that on screen either. Just give us friendship between all the members of The Team, and let the fic writers put their own spin on it. That way everybody's happy.
Best wishes,
Hatshepsut :wave:
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Hatshepsut, I do understand that Sam and Jack could never be together as long as she is under his chain of command. However, I do think that ther is some "serious sparkage" going on between those two. In the season 7 episode Heroes pt. 1, Sam gets this far-away expression on her face as she talks about Jack to Bregman. In part two...
after Janet's death, Sam tearily tells Jack that "she's glad he's okay".
That doesn't sound like two people who have no attraction for each other. Please tell me if you need any more examples, as I'm sure there are several more throughout the series.
SamFan:rolly2:
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Okay, my 2 cents worth.
Maybe Sam still moons after Jack [which I think is tacky since she's been with Pete and what is he? Chopped liver? Or just something convient until her 'Jack' comes in?], but I see zilch 'sparkage' coming from Jack.
Okay, so she's happy her CO's okay after numerous incidents over the years. I'd be also. She seemed pretty happy to see Daniel again after his year ascended. The same with Teal'c after he recovered from his brainwashing. So, are we seeing 'sparkage' between Sam and Jack or are we seeing the fact that Sam isn't afraid to let those around her, that she cares for, know that she's glad they're okay.
Me? I'm going for the latter becasue I see *no* two way sparkage here.
Just my opinion. Your milage may vary.
Rowan
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Which makes her look like a love-sick adolescent, mooning over a guy she can't have, for seven years. If she did indeed have such inappropriate feelings for him, she should have asked for a transfer to another unit. The fact that she didn't indicates that either she's far more interested in her job than her C.O., or she's just plain dishonourable. I prefer to take the former view.
Yes, about that. What happened to the Sam who would have sent him packing with flea in his ear for asking inappropriate personal questions that had nothing to do with her job? Notice he didn't ask such questions of anyone else. Why not? Sexist? She's a gurrl, so she must be in love with her boss? As a professional woman, I find that very insulting!
That really left a a bad taste in my mouth. It was like she was saying:
Too bad Janet's dead, but you aren't, so that's okay.
I'd've been more impressed if she'd
saved the tears for Janet and been a little more caring and compassionate about Cassie, who'd just been orphaned for the second time, and/or gone looking for her 'little brother', Daniel to offer him some comfort. Janet was murdered (by T.P.T.B.) right in front of him.
Thanks for the offer, but perhaps not. I don't have any stematil to hand.
Best wishes,
Hatshepsut - who really doesn't like to see an intelligent mature professional officer turned into a simpering groupie. It's so demeaning. I like Sam and think she deserves much better treatment . :wave:
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I'm with Hat and Rowan on this one. We've seen (too) much evidence that Sam has feelings for Jack, and zilchola to show that Jack is in love with Sam.
Quite the contrary, I seem to recall in "100 Days", Jack was partying down with the Edorans and having an affair with Laira while Sam yearned for him, then we had his tender farewell scene where he admitted he really didn't want to return to earth while Sam looked on in dismay.
In "Grace" we saw
Quite the contrary, I seem to recall in "100 Days", Jack was partying down with the Edorans and having an affair with Laira while Sam yearned for him, then we had his tender farewell scene where he admitted he really didn't want to return to earth while Sam looked on in dismay.
In "Grace" we saw
Sam imagining what Jack would say and feel and imagining a kiss. We never saw what Jack felt in the 'real world' at all. In fact, he was pretty quick to dismiss Daniel's ideas to find Sam and was almost obstructive. Make of that what you will.
I think I might achieve notorioty, I disagree and agree with everybody! 
Relationships have has much a place in Science Fiction as they do in kitchen soaps. With out them the humans involved cease to be human, they have to have loves, hates, bad habits etc. or they all become robots and there is nothing for the viewer to attach themselves to and you might as well watch Star Trek or paint drying.
Where things go wrong is where the relationship comes from the little background and aside interplays that builds the characters and becomes the focus for the show, not just for an episode (which can be acceptable) but for weeks.
SG has managed the balance well.
In the case of Sam/Jack there is and was something between them and it wax's, wanes and changes with time.
If Carter was not in the Air Force then perhaps it would wax further, but she has had to balance and supress feelings with her duties like all of us. Sometimes they break free.
Are her feelings of the 'Come to Bed' type. They might have been at one stage, now perhaps it is more father of the family?
As for Jack. He's an old fashioned type of chap with long service. Things are always well disguised. He would give way, if conditions permitted.
So there could be no long term relationship now
Relationships have has much a place in Science Fiction as they do in kitchen soaps. With out them the humans involved cease to be human, they have to have loves, hates, bad habits etc. or they all become robots and there is nothing for the viewer to attach themselves to and you might as well watch Star Trek or paint drying.
Where things go wrong is where the relationship comes from the little background and aside interplays that builds the characters and becomes the focus for the show, not just for an episode (which can be acceptable) but for weeks.
SG has managed the balance well.
In the case of Sam/Jack there is and was something between them and it wax's, wanes and changes with time.
If Carter was not in the Air Force then perhaps it would wax further, but she has had to balance and supress feelings with her duties like all of us. Sometimes they break free.
Are her feelings of the 'Come to Bed' type. They might have been at one stage, now perhaps it is more father of the family?
As for Jack. He's an old fashioned type of chap with long service. Things are always well disguised. He would give way, if conditions permitted.
So there could be no long term relationship now
I think she might have asked for a transfer- except for the fact that SG-1 seems to be the team that always saves the world. Maybe she just doesn't trust any other team to protect Earth.
I have my opinion, and of course you are entitled to yours, as well.
Originally posted by ray gower
I think I might achieve notorioty, I disagree and agree with everybody!
Relationships have has much a place in Science Fiction as they do in kitchen soaps. With out them the humans involved cease to be human, they have to have loves, hates, bad habits etc. or they all become robots and there is nothing for the viewer to attach themselves to and you might as well watch Star Trek or paint drying.
Where things go wrong is where the relationship comes from the little background and aside interplays that builds the characters and becomes the focus for the show, not just for an episode (which can be acceptable) but for weeks.
SG has managed the balance well.
In the case of Sam/Jack there is and was something between them and it wax's, wanes and changes with time.
If Carter was not in the Air Force then perhaps it would wax further, but she has had to balance and supress feelings with her duties like all of us. Sometimes they break free.
Are her feelings of the 'Come to Bed' type. They might have been at one stage, now perhaps it is more father of the family?
As for Jack. He's an old fashioned type of chap with long service. Things are always well disguised. He would give way, if conditions permitted.
So there could be no long term relationship now
I completely agree with you, ray. I think the reason Jack doesn't show his feelings is because he is such an emotionally hardened military man.
I'm just trying to guage how many other people here feel the same way I do. As long as you're nice about it, I respect whatever opinion you have.
SamFan:wave:
To all who said that there is no sparkage coming from Jack:
In Divide and Conquer, season 4, Jack is forced to admit that he has feelings for Sam. I know that was a long time ago, but I don't think that his behavior and feelings towards her have changed. Keep in mind that Divide and Conquer was after the episode 100 Days, where Jack fell in love with Laira. If he still had strong feelings for Sam after that, then surely he still does. Just MHO.
SamFan :wave:
In Divide and Conquer, season 4, Jack is forced to admit that he has feelings for Sam. I know that was a long time ago, but I don't think that his behavior and feelings towards her have changed. Keep in mind that Divide and Conquer was after the episode 100 Days, where Jack fell in love with Laira. If he still had strong feelings for Sam after that, then surely he still does. Just MHO.
SamFan :wave:
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Couple of things:
#1: Yes, possible, back then, but that was three years ago. I'm not seeing a lot of it now. What I saw in LC I was an uncomfortable situation, not two people which chemistry.
#2: My take on it is Jack feels very strongly toward all of his team mates and wouldn't/couldn't have left any of them behind. The statement 'I care for her more than I should' could be leveled at anyone on the team. It was simply Carter who was part of the equation at the time.
Rowan
#1: Yes, possible, back then, but that was three years ago. I'm not seeing a lot of it now. What I saw in LC I was an uncomfortable situation, not two people which chemistry.
#2: My take on it is Jack feels very strongly toward all of his team mates and wouldn't/couldn't have left any of them behind. The statement 'I care for her more than I should' could be leveled at anyone on the team. It was simply Carter who was part of the equation at the time.
Rowan
While I do agree that Jack would never leave anyone behind, the statement was, "I care about her... a lot more than I'm supposed to." I think this was referring to their (romantic) feelings for each other, as Carter also mentioned to Jack before the Zatar'c testing that it was something neither could admit to given their working relationship and military rank. If they were just friends, the relationship would be perfectly allowable, and then Jack would have been lying if he had said that he cared for her more than he was supposed to, as the Zatar'c detector is really just an advanced lie detector. The machine would have not mistakenly labeled Sam and Jack as Zatar'c if they were just friends, as Teal'C and Danny are just friends with the rest of SG-1 and were not thought to be Zatar'cs.
Just my take on things.
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A military member's take on it
THe military encourages you *not* to develope strong friendship ties with those under your command, to I still stand by my statement that Jack would have felt it was inapproptiate to 'care' more than he should have about any of his team mates. And being the fact that he is 'old school' military [how long he's been in the service to make his rank], he'd be even less likely to develop a friendship that could drift over into a romantic relationship with any woman under his command.
Sorry, but that's just my take on it after a lot of years in the service. She way yearn after him [which, IMHO, is so unprofessional I can't put it into words, especially after 7 years], but I just don't see if coming back from him.
Rowan
THe military encourages you *not* to develope strong friendship ties with those under your command, to I still stand by my statement that Jack would have felt it was inapproptiate to 'care' more than he should have about any of his team mates. And being the fact that he is 'old school' military [how long he's been in the service to make his rank], he'd be even less likely to develop a friendship that could drift over into a romantic relationship with any woman under his command.
Sorry, but that's just my take on it after a lot of years in the service. She way yearn after him [which, IMHO, is so unprofessional I can't put it into words, especially after 7 years], but I just don't see if coming back from him.
Rowan
I'm old school military!
It is a school that gets thoroughly put out at the thought of putting women in direct harms way.
Give them radars, search lights and typewriters and if really pushed the odd truck to drive as long as they are kept well away from the muck and bullets and don't get guns to play with.
I know the US services have technically used women on the front line longer than the British, but it is not that much longer in practice.
Jack would be of an age to remember the old philosophy, even agree with it no matter what the aledged flying hours over Iraq. Colonel's have to live with the politics, but it does not stop them being old fashioned, male and human.
Having said that, I would fully expect him to have marked Sam's ticket for a posting at the earliest possible moment if his feelings started to become difficult.
As for Sam she is high enough to be a career women, ready to play the game, thinking she can control it. All credit to her she has and does for the majority of the time, but again we come back to people being human.
It is a school that gets thoroughly put out at the thought of putting women in direct harms way.
Give them radars, search lights and typewriters and if really pushed the odd truck to drive as long as they are kept well away from the muck and bullets and don't get guns to play with.
I know the US services have technically used women on the front line longer than the British, but it is not that much longer in practice.
Jack would be of an age to remember the old philosophy, even agree with it no matter what the aledged flying hours over Iraq. Colonel's have to live with the politics, but it does not stop them being old fashioned, male and human.
Having said that, I would fully expect him to have marked Sam's ticket for a posting at the earliest possible moment if his feelings started to become difficult.
As for Sam she is high enough to be a career women, ready to play the game, thinking she can control it. All credit to her she has and does for the majority of the time, but again we come back to people being human.
Even if there were no prohibition within the military for romance, no commander would put a pair of lovebirds on the same team -- just bad for business in any enterprise. Jack + Sam = end of SG1 team
Teal'c has his lovely off-world Jaffa babe, Daniel again has Sarah, Jack has a lady on most planets he's visited and Sam is ensuring full employment for the Deluise family. That's quite adequate for romance in an action/adventure show. Anything more and we'll be watching soap opera.
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Teal'c has his lovely off-world Jaffa babe, Daniel again has Sarah, Jack has a lady on most planets he's visited and Sam is ensuring full employment for the Deluise family. That's quite adequate for romance in an action/adventure show. Anything more and we'll be watching soap opera.
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I would like Sam and Jack to end up in a relationship.
I'm glad this hasn't developed much yet, but I hope they
start heading that direction soon. It's been delayed long
enough. With the 8th season approching it's about time.
All the tention has been played out, so it's no longer a
good story element to keep them apart.
I expect to see some real relationship development in the
8th season, because the situation in the last two episodes
of season 7 should be a wakeup call to them both.
I'm glad this hasn't developed much yet, but I hope they
start heading that direction soon. It's been delayed long
enough. With the 8th season approching it's about time.
All the tention has been played out, so it's no longer a
good story element to keep them apart.
I expect to see some real relationship development in the
8th season, because the situation in the last two episodes
of season 7 should be a wakeup call to them both.
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