Stephenson, Neal: The Diamond Age

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I've just started reading this. It's excellent! I'll give a review when I'm finished but the book cover notes seem to cover it:

"A brilliant, tricky, twenty-first-century version of 'Pygmalion'" Guardian.

"A rattling good yarn... it's social and scientific extrapolations from our own world are all too believable" New Scientist.

"A wealth of hip, social and technological riffs, stories within stories and not a few good jokes" Timeout.

I'm only about a third of the way through, but I know I'm already going to read his other books -- 'Snow Crash' and 'Cryptonomicon'.
 
Glad you liked it so far Dave; after two of my friends gave up on it I was getting a little worried. I think you'll see a change in Stephenson's writing as he progresses from book to book. His earlier works seem to have more emphasis on having fun than in his later stuff. One of his first books, "Zodiac", was a really fun, easy read. Light reading, but very enjoyable nonetheless. Pick that up too if it's available from the library.
 
Why didn't your friends like it?

I see that this kind of Science Fiction is pigeon-holed as Cyberpunk and that not everyone is keen on it, but I like Science Fiction that tries to predict future societies, and this seemed very realistic to me.

The Diamond Age of nanotechnology is certainly coming. BTW I loved all the little stories within the main story such as the one when Nell made blankets for every toy with the Matter Compiler. I also liked the Chevalier idea of robot horses.

'Blade Runner' and 'Firefly' show a similar future with the rise of China, the rise of corporations, and breakdown of nation states, and those were fairly mainstream SF.

I was planning to read 'Snow Crash' next.
 
I'm not sure Dave, and both are currently unavailable for questioning.

I have a theory that maybe the world in that book is a little hard to imagine for some people. If you've never travelled much, and have lived your whole life in suburban Canada for example, you may not have the mental framework to build New Chusan in your mind.

I'm curious, but do you think you have an advantage, living in Europe, to imagine a future victorian society? Obviously, people's interests and experiences will determine the world we imagine when we read a book, and I personally found the world in "The Diamond Age" incredibly textured, but in a fairy taleish kind of way. I think living in Tokyo, which is chock filled with very modern buildings, helped me imagine a really exciting world, filled with wonder. I know nothing of the kind exists here in Toronto.
 
Originally posted by greyhorse
I'm curious, but do you think you have an advantage, living in Europe, to imagine a future victorian society?

I wouldn't have thought so, but then I do live in London which is probably one of the most multi-cultural cities in the world, with enclaves of nationals from every part of the world, and representatives of every religion. They are even using that fact to promote the London 2012 Olympic bid.

It has always been that way too, areas such as Brick Lane have always been ghettos for immigrants, only the immigrants changed over time from Huegenots, to Jews, and latterly Bangladeshi.

We are a country of very mixed racial heritage anyway -- Celts, Picts, Scots, Romans, Vikings, Saxons, Angles, Normans -- that is something that the Nationalist political parties never comment on.

We also still have the residual elements of a Victorian class structure, which other countries never had or did away with. While I was reading the book I was doing some Family History research, which is a hobby of mine. I have a relative who was a reporter and editor on a Liberal Victorian newspaper that campaigned for workers' rights and revolutionary causes. The Newspaper's owner, Joseph Cowen, who became MP for Newcastle, said "A Tory, to my mind, is the embodiment of all that objectionable... wherever we see some men who are very rich we always find close alongside many who were poor."

I think that knowing a little history helps see into the future.
 
Even more interesting is this news report. Talk of real life mirroring fiction...

Shanghai surprise ... a new town in ye olde English style

Jonathan Watts in Songjiang
Wednesday June 2, 2004
The Guardian


In a small corner of the giant construction site that is China, something rather quaint is happening: modern skyscrapers are giving way to Georgian terraces, concrete squares are being discarded in favour of English village greens, and instead of the usual eight-lane superhighways there are winding cobbled lanes.

That, at least, is the ambitiously low-rise plan for a giant new satellite-city near Shanghai that aims to recreate the most picturesque elements of a British town to lure homebuyers from China's newly affluent middle class.

Squeezing 500 years of British architectural development into a five-year construction project, Thames Town will have half-timbered Tudor-style buildings at its centre, a waterfront of Victorian red-brick warehouses, and an outlying area of gabled 20th century buildings bordered by hedges, verdant lawns and leafy roads.

With a fake turreted castle and at least one windmill, there is a danger that the site in Songjiang could turn into a British Disneyland that might serve as a monument to the excesses of Shanghai's overheated property market. But the architects say they are designing a working community.

When it is completed next year, residents will be able to have a fashionable white wedding under the spire of a new Catholic church modelled on one in Clifton, Bristol.

Drinkers will be able to drop into pubs inspired by Birmingham, and shoppers will be able to browse in a covered market with distinct echoes of Covent Garden. As well as football pitches and at least one garden maze, the project aims to create one of the greenest residential areas in the country, with streets lined by London plane trees and yew and hawthorn hedges.

It is part of a scheme by the Shanghai municipal government to rehouse 500,000 people in nine new satellite towns, each with a separate theme.

At Anting, for instance, seven German architectural firms are creating an "auto-town" complete with an Formula 1 track and a BMW plant. Pujiang will have an Italian flavour; Fencheng will duplicate the Ramblas shopping arcade in Barcelona.

None, however, is on as grand a scale as Songjiang. In the coming two years, nine universities, encompassing 100,000 students and staff, are to be relocated to this site, about 20 miles outside China's commercial capital. Construction has begun on a train link that will cut the journey into town to 15 minutes. Work is also under way on a giant terminal building that will house what is claimed to be the biggest shopping mall in China, with a floor space of 280,000 square metres.

Hi-tech firms, including Hitachi and the Taiwanese computer-chip maker Taijidian, are investing in new factories. Most will be in the modern Chinese style.

But Thames Town will offer a different home to its 8,000 residents, most of whom are expected to be university professors and factory managers.

The 3bn yuan (£200m) project centres on a medieval town square and radiates out through Tudor, Victorian and Georgian styles of architecture. Bringing it up to date is a multi-storey car park.

Paul Rice, principal architect of the Atkins consultancy, said: "We are aware of the Disneyland implications. This could become a joke if built in the wrong way. But this is a working community. Compared with other Chinese towns, it will be a pleasant place to live."

The need to compromise between British designs and Chinese living styles is already apparent at the site, which is laid out in a grid pattern. The few completed villas feature large windows on a decidedly Chinese scale.

"People in Shanghai are looking for something different," said Liu Wei, of the municipal management company. "Our target is young, wealthy consumers who can adapt easily to a new lifestyle."

Whether they can adapt to the 6m yuan (£400,000) price tag for a large three-bedroom villa is another question. With property prices in Shanghai having doubled in the past two years, the market is widely seen as a bubble set to burst.

They've already begun to build 'New Atlantis' and the 'Vickys' have begun moving in!!!
 
The Diamond Age of nanotechnology is certainly coming.
Not as envisaged by ANY SF I've read. They use it instead of invoking magic, as a plot device. Nothing much to do with real nanotech (Ken Macleod and Iain M. Banks). Real Nanotech exists.
Nanomachines are by nature very limited due to size. If there is a diamond age, it will be by some other technology.

I just read The Diamond Age. Bits seemed familiar* (People getting implants to be ractor / performers). Overall I thought it was somewhat enjoyable and a good story somewhat marred by some plot holes and over-reliance on nanotech magic.

The Electronic book in the story is ironic. Part of the aspect of the book is the idea we can't do real AI (we can't, may never be able to), a character calls it Pseudo Intelligence. We can do Digital paper now. My Kindle DXG has free for ever 3G unlimited access to Wikipedia and Amazon (other sites have a 60M byte a month quota). The Kindle could even run for 10 years with a larger battery, solar and vibration, it runs for months. But the irony is that even with a voice actor (ractor) the Book as envisaged is impossible, unless Miranda and the books programmer is doing a lot more than the story suggests.

The infodumping and jargon at the beginning is tedious and jarring, but I stuck at it and then the story flowed fine.

It was his 2nd book. Perhaps now he could do it much better. But I thought it FAR better than Ken Macleod and Iain M. Banks.

(*Perhaps I read it long ago, but I have every book I bought/collected since 1991, it's earlier ones I lost. Maybe the implanted actor idea is in a short story or some other novel)
 
The Diamond Age was not Stephenson's second: he'd already published Zodiac (an ecological thriller with an Ice-9 like device) in 1988 and The Big U (an Americanized Kingsley Amis/Tom Sharpe style comic novel about a U.S. university & its crazy undergraduates - also slightly similar to the Andrew Davies written, Peter Davison starring TV series A very peculiar practice during its final season) in 1984 before Snow Crash. One could consider it his second proper work of sf.

I believe Greg Egan handled nano machines better than any of the mentioned writers.
 
One could consider it his second proper work of sf.
Probably that's why I believed it was his second and that Snow crash was first. Who ever was writing about it, obviously was only considering SF.

Thanks.
an Ice-9 like device
Ah, more magic. I prefer to have magic as magic and science as science. Even if in same book. Kurt's Ice 9 is impossible. There is a real Ice IX.

I've never even seen a Greg Egan book. I'll keep a look out.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Egan

Nano Tech has been made to sound way more "cool" and powerful than it actually can ever be, Metamaterials and ICs can be engineered that are Nano Tech. But little armies of minuscule devices autonomously doing stuff is biology. See Bacteriophages
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacteriophage
They are closest to what is ever possible of many SF conceptions of nanotech. Perhaps we can create them to order eventually, but that's Genetic Engineering of viruses, not nano machines.

Possibly there will be designer bacteria and amoeba as well as other tiny organisms in the future.

All SF in books and TV and film I've seen of nano tech is fantasy/magic.
 
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Actually we DO live in the Diamond Age, Element 12, De Beers' synthetic Diamond company can make synthetic optically flat diamond windows up to about 6" / 150 mm size, I think. Cheap synthetic fine diamond grit is common.
The price of diamonds has been artificial too for years. De Beers invented the idea of a diamond engagement ring and "a diamond is forever" slogan etc.
 
Well,I have just finished The Diamond Age.
The novel ideas ,in the beginning of the story,had me intrigued.
The technology was creative and I was enjoying the book for about a third of the way in.
Then the plot got confused and confusing.I think, sometimes NS started with a good idea for one of the characters,then didn't know how to end that particular adventure.
It all got very intertwined with heavy technology descriptions and the characters behaving oddly.
I kept pressing on with the book,though I didn't really want to.I got so bogged down with the science,that I really lost interest.I carried on because
I wanted to know what the whole
point of the story was.I can honestly say,I was so befuddled by the end,I don't know what the point was.
I certainly would not recommend it generally.Maybe if you love the idea of nanotechnology gone wild,it would appeal to you.
Thinking about it now,I would say that,perhaps he tried to include too many ideas all at once and that they didn't all gel.
 

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