McHorde-Trooper
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2.13: Epiphanies
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Roslin dying, then the miraculous cure of Cylon fetal blood was a little too convenient, and frankly, I'm not sure if I would rather die than become "Borg-ified" - even Baltar has no idea how it worked.
Baltar is just acting too strange now not to have been locked away long ago. No one even comments on him talking to himself, and that, together with mood swings, and sweeping changes in direction make him unstable and unsuitable to have any kind of office. Wouldn't the Doctor certify him, and they just keep him around to make these brilliant discoveries.
I detected a large dollop of present day political allegory this week. Somehow I just can't compare these Cylon-sympathisers to Iraq peace protestors myself. The other thing that bothered me was that their leader was clearly a known Cylon. Her picture was on top of the pile inside Roslin's folder, the whole fleet was alerted to her back in the begining of Season 1, they are already holding one copy of her from the Pegasus, and yet she has been operating without restriction. It should be a Cylon model that we haven't met yet.
Baltar is just acting too strange now not to have been locked away long ago. No one even comments on him talking to himself, and that, together with mood swings, and sweeping changes in direction make him unstable and unsuitable to have any kind of office. Wouldn't the Doctor certify him, and they just keep him around to make these brilliant discoveries.
I detected a large dollop of present day political allegory this week. Somehow I just can't compare these Cylon-sympathisers to Iraq peace protestors myself. The other thing that bothered me was that their leader was clearly a known Cylon. Her picture was on top of the pile inside Roslin's folder, the whole fleet was alerted to her back in the begining of Season 1, they are already holding one copy of her from the Pegasus, and yet she has been operating without restriction. It should be a Cylon model that we haven't met yet.
Agreed, that episode was rife with stupidity. I'm beginning to think now that things WOULD have been better off had Admiral Caine won; which is pretty sad.
How is it that a Nuclear Weapon aboard a ship, something which most people account for on a regular daily basis, hasn't been discovered missing, or even looked for by the officers of the fleet. It's not like nuclear material is that hard to track down. It's like the writers are trying to make the people stupid intentionally!
How is it that a Nuclear Weapon aboard a ship, something which most people account for on a regular daily basis, hasn't been discovered missing, or even looked for by the officers of the fleet. It's not like nuclear material is that hard to track down. It's like the writers are trying to make the people stupid intentionally!
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No. That is the one from Pegasus.
Though you still make a good point.
Her rebel group must be unusually reliable if they can keep that secret.
So, you're saying that is the same Six/Gina that was locked up from Pegasus? Did I miss something or is that a spoiler because I thought I was following everything? Whatever, Ron Moore apparently made an error with this. According to the Epiphanies podcast he never expected anyone to notice it was her with glasses on:
err... well yes, you would!
Oh and yes, that isnt' the same version. And I think somehow all the versions don't really get all the information the others do....or maybe they don't until they die. I'm not really sure how that works, sort of; wacky. It's definetly true it seems that at least some of the information from each cylon human clone produced gets released to everyone. Either that or the spying and passing of information is pretty good, since it seems most the cylons on Caprica are kept abreast of what's going on with Galactica.
I haven't read his article, so I'm not sure who Moore is who why he would say that. That version has been there for quite awhile, since the pre-pegasus days. It would be quite impossible for that to be the Caprica version that Baltar loved since she was destroyed. Remember, initially, she had no knowledge of even who he was. Also, later, she is reborn (the Baltar version), while the Pegasus version is still livng, so unless one consciousness can occupy multiple bodies, it 's not possible they are the same.
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*******Possible Spoilers********
I didn't take the time to check episode content.
Gina was the cylon from Pegasus that Baltar began working with. Baltar then encouraged her to fight for justice or take revenge...however you want to put it...and also promised to help her. The next time we see her is on Cloud Nine when he presents her with his nuclear device hoping to gain her trust.
We don't see Caprica Six again until Downloaded I believe.
I didn't take the time to check episode content.
Gina was the cylon from Pegasus that Baltar began working with. Baltar then encouraged her to fight for justice or take revenge...however you want to put it...and also promised to help her. The next time we see her is on Cloud Nine when he presents her with his nuclear device hoping to gain her trust.
We don't see Caprica Six again until Downloaded I believe.
You're really confusing me, but that IS the way I remember it, except that I thought the woman shown at the end must be a new copy. How did no one realise Baltar let her escape? That is yet another unbeliveable part of that plot.
As for the Nuclear Bomb, it isn't missing as it was given to Baltar for research back in a much earlier episode. The question ought to be why was he given a Nuclear Bomb for research purposes? And what possible research could he have in mind when, at the time, he was working on a Cylon/Human blood test? Though I think Stargod has a point, in that once a week Adama might ask him where the bomb was and how it was doing!
Baltar gets away with far too much.
FYI: Ron Moore is the creator, and one of the writers, of this new reworking of the 'Battlestar Galactica' and ex of 'Star Trek', most noteably the 'Next Generation' Klingon mythology episodes. Initially, he was the target of much hate-mail from fans of the original series of 'Galactica' and supporters of Richard Hatch's new version.
My point was how he ever thought that putting glasses on Six/Gina and doing her hair differently would disguise her.
As for the Nuclear Bomb, it isn't missing as it was given to Baltar for research back in a much earlier episode. The question ought to be why was he given a Nuclear Bomb for research purposes? And what possible research could he have in mind when, at the time, he was working on a Cylon/Human blood test? Though I think Stargod has a point, in that once a week Adama might ask him where the bomb was and how it was doing!
Baltar gets away with far too much.
FYI: Ron Moore is the creator, and one of the writers, of this new reworking of the 'Battlestar Galactica' and ex of 'Star Trek', most noteably the 'Next Generation' Klingon mythology episodes. Initially, he was the target of much hate-mail from fans of the original series of 'Galactica' and supporters of Richard Hatch's new version.
My point was how he ever thought that putting glasses on Six/Gina and doing her hair differently would disguise her.
To clarify, I thought someone was saying that the blonde verison on Caprica Baltar is in love with at the time the city was nuked (I think this is shown in many openers of the show), is the same version that was on Pegasus. I was saying they can't be the same version.
Just a quick question about her (that version he was in love with).
She was a very real person/Cylon then, not just the (figment of the imagination/hardwired brain implant/split personality/whatever) that she is now.
And I think it was in this episode that Roslin has the flashbacks of seeing Baltar with her (apologies if not and this is a spoiler).
What do those flashbacks mean; that is Roslin now suspicious of Baltar? She was already wasn't she?
Does she think that because he was cavorting with a Cylon before the War he may be an agent - I think everyone would jump to that conclusion?
If so, why does she not mention it? The whole thing is raised then just dropped! Or maybe it is picked up later and I haven't seen it yet. If so, don't say anything to spoil, I'll wait and see.
She was a very real person/Cylon then, not just the (figment of the imagination/hardwired brain implant/split personality/whatever) that she is now.
And I think it was in this episode that Roslin has the flashbacks of seeing Baltar with her (apologies if not and this is a spoiler).
What do those flashbacks mean; that is Roslin now suspicious of Baltar? She was already wasn't she?
Does she think that because he was cavorting with a Cylon before the War he may be an agent - I think everyone would jump to that conclusion?
If so, why does she not mention it? The whole thing is raised then just dropped! Or maybe it is picked up later and I haven't seen it yet. If so, don't say anything to spoil, I'll wait and see.
Yeah, I didn't get that myself. If I was her, as president,I would have had him cuffed and in the interogation singing like a bird on a warm spring day. Why she doesn't say something or let him know? Maybe she's afraid that he might be overly connected to the cylon regime. Who knows. All I know is after the season finale, if that **** wasn't just some funky dream sequence that Adama was having and will wake up and say, "ok, screw my morals, this is for the good of the human race"....then the show is absolute bollocks.
The thing about giving Baltar the nuclear bomb....
1.) You think after he finished testing or was unable to work on the project (given that he is now VP), they would have retaken it for security purposes. The fact they didn't is very suspect and questionable as far as believablility in the series is concerned.
2.) After the President suspected that he was possibly a cylon co-op agent, why didn't she immediatly halt is project and sieze his weapon for security purposes. The fact she didn't leads to more believabilty problems with the storyline. A president should be fully aware, which she was, of where and who were lent nukes. Especially to a person who is constantly talking to himself.
3.) The fact that Adama, knowing well most the information from #2 and #1 failed to take action, also leads me to question his judgement ability - and the whole series in general.
1.) You think after he finished testing or was unable to work on the project (given that he is now VP), they would have retaken it for security purposes. The fact they didn't is very suspect and questionable as far as believablility in the series is concerned.
2.) After the President suspected that he was possibly a cylon co-op agent, why didn't she immediatly halt is project and sieze his weapon for security purposes. The fact she didn't leads to more believabilty problems with the storyline. A president should be fully aware, which she was, of where and who were lent nukes. Especially to a person who is constantly talking to himself.
3.) The fact that Adama, knowing well most the information from #2 and #1 failed to take action, also leads me to question his judgement ability - and the whole series in general.