wheres she going to land?

KiwiBird said:
actually Dany being impervous to fire was a 1-Time deal, so that wont help her much with the horn, then again maybe it is more a bloodband thing and then it might indeed be helpful to her

...and you this how???

Anywho, I'm not sure what role the horn will have. There's alot more to it than just blowing the horn like a dog whistle and saying sit, Drogo, sit, good dragon...play dead...beg...Dracarys...
 
Must resist quoting D&D movie...

Damodar (bald guy with blue lips: possibly an escaped extra from Barbarella): "You can control dragons!"

Award-Winning Actor Jeremy Irons, Clearly Slumming It: "With a dragon army at my command, there will be no limit to my power! Ha ha ha ha! Where's my paycheque?"
 
Whatever. Wherever Dany goes many will follow (now I expect Aegon the very Unworthy to blast Dany as an invader... :) )

Fire, damnation and ruin....we're not discussing Dany as a savior etc....why would I bring that up? But Ill admit you did get a chuckle out of me.

back to the OP....I think you land an army, where you wont have to fight a beachhead, can link up with allies to help sustain your army, generally have a terrain advantage over your opponents due to past experience, and can launch an effective strike into your opponents lands so you are depleting his land of resources and not your own.

Im saying somewhere in Dorne...but without a map to look at I dont have a specific spot.

the Aerye (how is that spelled?) would be the best if Petyr has made overtures provided she can keep it quiet. It would be easy to bottle a large army up in the mountains and force them back to sea. The north is out because you cant generate a suply train out of there. For that matter strike the Iron Isles as well, I dont trust them not to cut my supply line when they need to. She'll need to take fertile lands or be near them to strike and feed her army quickly. Plus she'll need an easy victory early to keep their confidence...Also the dragons will be more useful in assaulting hardened fortifications and open terrain than fighting in congested passes.

So Im thinking land around the southern coast of Dorne. Take the Arbor, move north around the Dornish marches and take Highgarden,.....from there begin long term planning with a stable supply line. If you land on the Sea of Dorne you risk being bottled up in one of the two passes. Dorne can hold those themselves....

Or if you trust the Kraken, then utilize the Shield islands as an initial staging area then do the same thing...in fact thats a great idea, dont the Squids control the entire western sea coast? That would be the absolutely best way to go....rely on the Kraken to control the waters and ferry yer troops but move yer supply trains over land you control. They cant betray you without losing the war.
 
HO, HO, a response from his Unworthiness... :D

I am wondering if there was another reason other than "humanizing" the loathesome Littlefinger when GRRM spent so much time in Sansa's POV where Littlefinger came from (kind of reminded me rural coastal Scotland or Ireland). Maybe she'll land there and Littlefinger's true motivations to bring back the Targs is revealed with the Blackfish back controling the Gates the Vale so then allowing passage to Dany's army to swoop down on King's Landing would be easy as lion pie. Ohhh, I really want another field of fire.
 
I just dont see the Aerie as a viable alternative.

Dany will only have two "reliable" allies when she lands. Dorne and the Kraken with maybe Littlefinger bringing his forces into play. The Lannisters control the sea power of Whiteharbor (ostensibly), the Arbor, and whats left of their own after the ******* of Nightsong took off with most of it....

Now Im going to admit that the Longships of the Kraken could possibly shred every sea vessel KL puts in the water...but theyre on the other side of the continent. So that makes landing in the Vale with all those slow cumbersome troop transports questionable. If they do manage to land the bulk of her host there then they are trapped. The Vale is unassailable but that works both ways. Simply put an army at the end of the one or two passes out of the Vale and allow the Danys army to dash itself against you or eat itself to death. And as yer sea power isnt on that side of the continent it will take weeks (assuming it happens at all) to get the kraken over there to either ferry troops or break the siege.

Or alternately hit her forces as she spills from the mountains, she will lose large portions before shes even ready to fight.

Any ideas which direction Dany is coming from? I assume this planet is a globe shaped thing of some sort...could she come from the west?
 
There's also Oldtown as a landing point, especially if those there working to bring her "home" have control of the maesters.

I was under the impression that King's Landing's fleet was somewhat depleted and whatever was left went to Dragonstone. Especially now that Auranne Waters took off with the four newly built warships...where to? Maybe to find Dany as he could of been planted by Varys.
 
Im pretty sure the bulk of the Highgarden fleet (the Arbor and the Shield Islands) is on the east coast which is why the Longships of the Squid had such an easy time taking said Shield Islands. Which would make the east coast a bad place to land and the west coast a good one...

You have to visualize a large ponderous fleet protected by significantly fewer reavers and cutters....quicker ships moving back and forth amongst the troop transports. A smaller quicker moving force could decimate the troop transports with an intelligent commander at the helm of a small flotilla.

I dont even know who controls Oldtown ostensibly. Im guessing its under control of Dorne in name only if nothing else. But if not I doubt it has a significant defense force. They would most likely capitulate anyhow and would make an excellent sally point into the lands of Highgarden
 
Oldtown is controlled by House Hightower, who are extremely loyal to Highgarden. The chances of Oldtown rolling over for anyone are extremely low. The end of AFFC (when the Hightower forces repulse the ironborn attempt to burn the harbour) shows that. Also, the Redwyne fleet is en route back from Dragonstone to the Arbor and the Oldtown area, so the ironborn won't be holding that area much longer (especially given the Iron Fleet - their primary fighting force and the only one with ships larger than longboats - has sailed off to Slaver's Bay).

Dany's options are limited to an unopposed landing in Dorne or a contested landing further north. Landing in Dorne is difficult due to the coast - the only half-decent harbour is the one under Sunspear - but possible as long as it is supported from the shore. The next decent port to the north isn't until King's Landing or Duskendale. Landing on the Fingers is possible but Dany would need to secure safe passage from all the Free Cities and particularly Braavos (whose vast fleet isn't going to be happy at Dany's presumably enormous flotilla passing by: they may suspect that she'd turn and strike at rich Braavos instead).

Landing in Dorne, consolidating all the forces under her command into one and moving north would be the logical tactic. However, it would give the Tyrells and presumably their Lannister allies (assuming the events of AFFC haven't driven them apart) time to muster a force against them. However, a strike by Dorne up the kingsroad towards King's Landing whilst Dany lands by sea (or lands at Duskendale and comes down on KL from the north) would be extremely hazardous. The Dornish force would be vulnerable to attack by the more numerous Tyrells and stormlords on the way north.

Naturally Dany is getting advice from Barristan Selmy and

Tyrion Lannister, who remember knows King's Landing's defences in and out from the battle in A Clash of Kings

which means she may come up with something totally unexpected.
 
Wert,very nice use of the Chronicles Spoiler Cryptex. Luckily, I know the combination.

Aegon, good stuff. Thanks.

Dorne does have a large coastline, but much of the land is unhospitable to non-natives. Arianne's small party had to plan well to cross Dorne, so I imagine an army would have a near impossible time of it.

Storm's End seems to be impregnable. It opens the way to the plains of the south and the road up to King's Landing. If Dany landed here and took the castle by storm or surprise (Stannis still holds it with a skeleton garrison), then she'd put a threat on the Highgarden flank allowing the Dornish armies to move up the passes. Logistically speaking, this is all I have to add... I'll bow to Aegon's wisdom.

Of the major houses of Westeros, the Martells (Dorne) and the Tyrells (Highgarden) are the two most loyal to the Targaryens... at least they were the last two to bend the knee to Robert... and it seems that they did so because 1) they read the writing on the wall, ie. they could not single-handedly stand up to the combined might of the Lannisters, Starks, Baratheons, Tullys, and Arryns and 2) they hate each other and refused to cooperate to continue the fight for the Targs (this is my conjecture, I don't really have hard proof). If you remember, Ned relieved Stannis at Storm's End thus ending the armed resistance of Mace Tyrell and all Targ loyalists (except for the three Kingsguard at the Tower of Joy). It seems that Doran bowed to the inevitable, well, seemingly, we now know he was already hatching the Viserys+Arianne plot.

So all that is to say, will Highgarden and Dorne both support Danaerys? Dorne will. But will the Tyrells? They may still be closet Targ loyalists or they may be extremely ambitious and eyeing the Iron Throne for themselves.

In favor of the Tyrells being closet Targs, first, Aegon the Conqueror made them the Lords of Highgarden and the Marches. Before this they were a supporting family of the previous dynasty. They owe their position and power to the Targs. The Lannisters seems to still regard the Tyrells as lower class nobility, even though they've been a major house for the last three hundred years. Second, Mace never joined Robert's rebellion. He only surrendered when the Targs were decisively defeated. Third, Olenna seems to be a major factor in Tyrell policy decisions. She's been around a long time. She may have personal interests in the Targs, ie. the Good Old Days. She may know the Lannisters and Arryns (the two eldest and noble houses of the Andals) will not allow an upstart house supplant them and rule over them. The Tyrells might guess that the greatest house in the land, after the Targaryens of course, is the best that they should hope for. Fourth, is Loras really hurt? A full body cast may be the way to disguise him. Other houses have sent male emissaries to Dany, why not House Tyrell? Tell everyone Loras is in a full body cast (who's gonna peel it off?) while Loras secretly rides to meet Dany? Fifth, Margaery is Queen, but she's never officially consumated any of her marriages. This keeps her husbands weak politically and ripe for supplanting because they have no heirs.

Perhaps the Tyrells want the Throne for themselves. First, the Martells and the Greyjoys are sending envoys to Dany, while it seems that the Martells have not. Seriously, would you entrust the survival of your family to the diplomatic skills of Loras? Neither would I. Second, Margaery has been crowned Queen of the Seven Kingdoms (three separate times). If Tommen were killed, would Dany just allow Margaery to quietly abdicate? Dany, herself, is living proof that you must kill all survivors of the previous dynasty or you are just putting off payment. Third, Mace seems very opportunistic. The support for Renly was not just for show. I believe it was a serious attempt by the Tyrells to make themselves the de facto rulers of Westeros. They knew Renly was gay. What if Renly never had a child with Margaery? Then I think the Tyrells would have gotten Renly to adopt Garlan as his heir and the Tyrell take over would have been complete. Or Olenna borrowing a page from the Targaryen history books would have sent Garlan or another Tyrell henchman to impregnate Margaery thus preserving the Tyrell hold on House Baratheon. Fourth, the Tyrells have lived for three hundred years with the Lannisters and Arryns in ascendence over them (and they might well live another three hundred years that way), but the thought of the Martells being the main power after Dany will really anger the Tyrells. They won't take a back seat to the Martells. If Dorne allies with Dany before Highgarden can, then this just might be the deciding factor for the Tyrells to oppose Danaerys I.

Happy Thanksgiving to those of you in the U.S.
 
Irony or Coincidence?....I celebrated 4th of July with some Brits (thats the day they got rid of the religious zealots in their country doncha know), and I just celebrated Thankgiving with some (eastern) Indians....good times.

While I firmly bellieve Olenna is the female Petyr (pun intended I think) and not really a "closet Targ"....I enjoy building conspiracies...

What if Maergary's job was to ensure the lines of Lannister Kings was stunted....Maybe shes been sucking down milk of the poppy for a while now. Since her marriage to "hetero-Renly". Oh and the flagon that Pycelle mentioned was delivered sooner than hinted at? Oh maybe on the eve of her wedding to Joff, or earlier than that...you cant really deny it on the witness stand with "Oh no it was for Jofferys seed I wanted the baby killing juice"...Without heirs Dany doesnt run into this complication, and even better that could make the heir a Tyrell at some point. Its really a win/win for Olenna.....if she is working with Dany in some way then she is paving the way for Margie to be allowed to step down as queen and promote the Tyrell cause with the Targs, and if she isnt; she's making the throne for her family a possibility.

Its late, Im tired......good luck translating my slurred typing....
 
Margaery has been taking the contraceptive drink to insure the King of Westeros has no progeny that will help some houses "on the fence" to come on in to the Targaryen fold? I like it.

I celebrated Christmas 1991 in Hong Kong with some Brits. I'd never consumed port before... :eek:

I celebrated July 4, 1992 in Hong Kong with some Brits. It's like they'll drink to anything...
 
I think the Tyrells have sent the message loud and clear to Dany already by assassinating the first Lannister king and weakening the second.

And if they wanted to rule, and knowing what they know of Dany's rise as a threat to that power (being in the inner circle0, would they not have sent someone to kill her. The Queen of Thorns would of made certain of that.

The Tyrells are just biding their time as they usually do.
 
TK, I'm with you... the Tyrells are for the Tyrells. I just like arguing both sides and being difficult.
 
Along with Tyrion shell travel to oldtown after picking up Arya in Bravos where she'll meet sam then to Dorne for a visit. Raise anchor to the Iron islands and THEN finally disembark up north where she'll face Jon and the truth! duhdhudhuDUN! maybe...
 
Oldtown is controlled by House Hightower, who are extremely loyal to Highgarden. The chances of Oldtown rolling over for anyone are extremely low. The end of AFFC (when the Hightower forces repulse the ironborn attempt to burn the harbour) shows that. Also, the Redwyne fleet is en route back from Dragonstone to the Arbor and the Oldtown area, so the ironborn won't be holding that area much longer (especially given the Iron Fleet - their primary fighting force and the only one with ships larger than longboats - has sailed off to Slaver's Bay).

First, thanks Memmon for resetting this thread, I love this one.

Wert, help me out with this....didnt only Victarions portion of the fleet go sailing off. How many ships are his? It cant be that large a portion otherwise he'd a been named King right?

Next up, if most of the Arbors strength at sea is returning to defending their coastline now that that other siege is broken (what siege was that that Loras gave his looks to take?) wouldnt that mean the east coast is largely unprotected......that makes KL viable yes? Intelligence flows slowly over the sea so whatever Dany has (from that unnamed person who is travelling to join her perhaps) may be dated.

Reading up on ancient naval tactics, a deepwater port is not neccessary to off-load the troops (sue me Im airborne, how am I sposed to be abreast of amphibious assault techniques)....you would line up several of yer shallower draft vessels to make a bridge out to the off-shore troop transports. This is a very vulnerable time as usually yer shallow draft vessels are your cutters....your fleets protection. So your troop carriers are sitting ducks.

This being said a deepwater port would be most beneficial.....

And lastly, correct me if Im wrong....I was under the impression that Oldtown was some sort of academic sprawl. In other words, decidely lacking in a signficant military presence. Maybe they wouldnt surrender outright but its isolation makes it perfect for a limited engagement takeover. You know, land some troops in one of those ship bridges just down the coast....take the docks of Oldtown.....land troops.....assault whatever Citadel fortifications are opposed to you. The problems you always have with the viability of a siege is you are a fixed position and easily put in a vise if someone attempts to take you from behind. No one would arrive in Oldtown for weeks Im thinking if that were the case.

Really nothing specific above....just thoughts on various posts....
 

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