wheres she going to land?

[Centurion]

what we all seem to be forgetting is that, there are two 'envoys' heading to Dany.
One of course is Doran Martell's son and his young knights,the other the not as pretty Victarion GreyJoy and his iron brutes.

So if either manages to 'persuade' her to go with them, she could be very likely heading to Sunspear, or Pyke.

E: argh, just read Boaz's post, and this thrice-damned post refuses to be deleted!

 

[Faceless Woman]

I severely doubt she is going to Pyke. I also doubt she is easily 'persuaded'. I think she will stay put for a time, content, until something forces her out like the death of her husband and child did last time. The fall of the Wall, perhaps?

 

[devilsgrin]

I don't think the fall of The Wall would bestir Dany into invasion/liberation i'd imagine her knowledge of the wall would be small to say the most, and its fall would be unlikely to affect her in any way. I think of the two envoys that are on their way one would appeal to Dany as a lover and friend, and the other as either an ally to join her, or to kill with an armada to be stolen... It could easily be that Victarion will end up dead or in thrall to Dany and his fleet belonging to her, thus providing Dany with the fleet necessary to transport an army large enough to conquor Westeros piece by piece. Kings Landing to me seems like the most likely... after stopping over and taking Dragonstone back.
Dany would certainly know that the Martells are her closest allies in Westeros and the most likely to keep faith with her should they allign as the Iron men are unlikely to be.

 

[Werthead]

Oldtown is a sprawling city, true, but the inner city, the oldest fortified major city in Westeros, is very defensible. The High Tower itself is counted as one of the most impregnable castles in Westeros after Harrenhal and perhaps Storm's End. Taking it would not be easy. House Hightower also has strong support from its vassals to the east along the Red Mountains. True, many of them are supporting the Tyrell army at Storm's End, but they retain enough strength to make taking Oldtown very problematic indeed.

There are individual galleys elsewhere among the ironborn - Euron's Silence is one such - but the only fleet with a large number of them is Victarion's. True, not the entire fleet has sailed to Slaver's Bay (unless Euron is an idiot), but certainly the greater part of its strength.

Correct, the weakening of the east coast may also factor into Dany's decision. Both the Royal Fleet and Stannis's fleet was decimated at the Battle of the Blackwater and the only remaining force - the half-rebuilt Royal Fleet under Aurane Waters - has done a runner, leaving the Redwynes as the sole Westerosi power in the Narrow Sea. With Dragonstone taken, they are now on their way back to the west coast leaving Braavos and Lys as the primary powers in the Narrow Sea (with Tyrosh and the other Free Cities not too far behind).

I am keen on the idea that Dany is somehow captured and taken back to Westeros by the ironborn against her will. This makes for a very interesting alternate take on how her invasion will take place, with her army racing after her in pursuit.

 

[Centurion]

I am keen on the idea that Dany is somehow captured and taken back to Westeros by the ironborn against her will.

Very highly unlikely, with her cold-blooded (literally) body guards around. remember ships and dragons dont mix well.

 

[Werthead]

Oh well, it's a good thing that the ironborn don't have anything that will neutralise or control her dragons then, isn't it?

Oh, hang on...

 

[MemmoN]

Jon willl have to rescue her, then she helps him with the others.

 

[Aegon the Unworthy]

You know, I kinda have the notion that maybe Victarion falls in love with her, but being Victarion cant really grasp how that is supposed to be worked (you know, do I woo her by giving her flowers and baubles or do I punch her in the mouth? but wait I dont want to punch her in the mouth because shes so pretty, so maybe Ill just hold her head under water....wait that doesnt seem right....maybe I should get her a puppy, she'd probably like to torture one, oh but maybe that would uspet her so Ill torture it for her...hey Dany I tortured a puppy for you....why are you looking at me like that?)


so Dany establishes a relationship that puts her in a position to manipulate him....he becomes her Admiral, eschews Euron as his King, meanwhile believing he could become her consort and eventual husband. He provides the intel that the Ironborn is sacking the Arbor, then someone smart (and maybe short) makes the logical leap to the Westeros fleet moving to the west coast, et voila, Dany decides to start with KL after all....

 

[Boaz]

Aegon I like your thinking. Dany just dismissed Jorah. Victarion is just a Kraken version of Jorah. Dany can bat her eyelashes and say, "Isn't that man annoying?", and Victarion will pull his hamstring trying to instantly disembowel the man.

Then again, Victarion's motive is not to win Dany's hand, rather he wants to spite Euron.

 

[Funky Cthulu]

You know, I kinda have the notion that maybe Victarion falls in love with her, but being Victarion cant really grasp how that is supposed to be worked (you know, do I woo her by giving her flowers and baubles or do I punch her in the mouth? but wait I dont want to punch her in the mouth because she's so pretty, so maybe I'll just hold her head under water....wait that doesn't seem right....maybe I should get her a puppy, she'd probably like to torture one, oh but maybe that would upset her so I'll torture it for her...hey Dany I tortured a puppy for you....why are you looking at me like that?)

Love it! That captures Victarion's thought processes for me perfectly!
That's why I was so amused before at the idea of him using 'charm' on Dany.
Or perhaps all he really wants in life is hand the reins over to a strong woman and retire from all this nasty, stressful leadership business.

 

[Faceless Woman]

The last time Victorion was in love with someone, he killed her, then placed the blame on her. He has 'no luck with wives', as he keeps saying. So yes, that sounds about right.
Victorian the idiot is doomed, either to die, to fall in love, or to fall in love and then die in Dany's service.

Werthead: the ironborn do, Victorion doesn't. I really don't see Euron handing over the horn to anyone, least of all the brother he is blatantly trying to kill of by sending him on a hopeless mission. I mean, who in his right mind sends Victorion on a diplomatic mission, unless they intend for him to fail?

 

[Koopa]

well his wife just done his own brother, you can understand that (at least in that world)

 

[TK-421]

I think you are all underestimating Victarion. I don't think GRRM will paint him with the same brush as Jorah. He's a better and smarter writer than that. If anything, we may be in for some surprises with Victarion. There's also no telling what role or influence his beloved niece Asha will play or his trusted brother...no not Euron the egomaniac but Aeron the Damphair. GRRM did not spend alot of time on his character to not have him play a minor role.

I do not sow.

 

[Koopa]

You mean to have him play a minor role, otherwise the sentence is a bit weird

 

[Boaz]

Pots and Kettles.

 

[Aegon the Unworthy]

I woulda gone with glass houses.....but to each his own metaphor.

 

[Koopa]

I am just lazy in that area

 

[TK-421]

OK, a "not" too many in that sentence but please put down that stone before you break something.

Ahemm..how about the substance of the post.

 

[Aegon the Unworthy]

Well, with a normal author I would say sure thing TK.....

But....this is George....I mean Ned was dealt with too much to die right? And the Viper was just too cool a character to kill off right? and Qhorin? and Robb? And Cat was too lame to live right?

This man has no respect for his own creations....so Damphair could be thrown away with absolutely no warning and it wouldnt be unheard of.

 

[Boaz]

**Spoiler Alert for lots of random stuff**

Well said AtU. I was intrigued by the prologue to AGOT, the finding of the pups, the death of Lady, the kidnapping of Tyrion, Bronn's duel, but Martin hooked me with Lord Eddard's execution. I was double hooked by the Red Wedding. I'll be triple hooked with Jon's untimely death... but that'd be too much to hope for.

Martin does what Hollywood almost never does... that is actually let characters that seem indispensible to the plot die. Chinese movies do this all the time, that's why I think they've had such success over the last five years or so... American audiences are actually faced with new plot devices and story twists. The only Hollywood film that does this (that I can recall) is Executive Decision... remember, Steven Seagall (straight from his successful movies) died in the first fifteen minutes... and I thought he was supposed to be the hero of the movie.

Anyway, Martin has shown me that anything might happen... anything could happen. Dune was a great story, but having studied Greek literature and mythology it was plain that Duke Leto must die for Paul to develop into a hero. If the signs were there that Eddard had to die, I confess I missed them.

I used to read Fredrick Forsyth years ago. He was notorious, err, I mean famous for putting in stunning plot twists and/or just great one liners. In The Odessa File, he gave all the clues for the reason the reporter was chasing the SS officer, but when the reason was revealed I was stunned.

In The Sixth Sense, M. Night Shyamalan thought he was giving away the entire plot when the boy tells Bruce Willis' character, "I see dead people."

I wonder how much of the ending of ASOIAF has Martin already shown us? Does he think he's given away all his secrets somewhere? Or does Martin have nothing to do with the ancient Greek style... will he not tip his hand to us?

Do we already have the clues to Dany's landing, attempt for the crown, and the result? I need to reread her trip to the House of Warlocks...