Lost: Season Three

[Carolyn Hill]

For those of us who are currently watching season three of Lost and want to yack about it without spoiling things for people who haven't yet had the chance to see it . . . here's a thread.

(One of the moderators may move to this thread some of the season-three posts in the existing Lost threads.)

 

[Mouse]

I am loving the new series. Thought the whole Sun/Jin flashback was a bit pointless though, but I was glad Sun got that horrible woman!

 

[TK-421]

IThought the whole Sun/Jin flashback was a bit pointless though,

No it wasn't. It gave us a glimpse into Sun's real character, the one she keeps hidden and made me much more sympathetic to Jin and his situation. Up to now, he seemed too controlling and traditional and now we know why..."Because that's it takes to be married to you."

 

[Teresa Edgerton]

It also revealed that when Sun told him she had never slept with another man she was lying -- and he knew it. It throws a whole new light on that entire conversation concerning her pregnancy.

 

[Mouse]

I meant the begininng bit of her flashback really, when she broke the ballerina and blamed it on the maid. It just showed us that she's a liar and we knew that by the end anyway. Apart from that I liked it. I still think Jin's the dad of her baby though!!

 

[Carolyn Hill]

I appreciated learning that Sun lied when she was little--that she was warned about what would happen to the maid but lied anyway. Knowing that lying has been her pattern for self-protection since an early age, and that she was more worried about herself than about the harm her lie did to the maid, I'm even more interested to see if she will finally break the pattern by telling Jin the truth.

 

[Carolyn Hill]

Something exceedingly surreal happened when the moderator tried to move season-three posts from the general thread about Lost: the posts got smushed together into a big mass.

Here are highlights, pruned from the mass in the original order but still in a big smush, with no attempt to identify who posted what:

THE LOST POSTS


So, who all watched the season 3 premiere last night and what did they do to poor Kate that cut her arms up so bad???

Yep I saw it! I want to know what they did to Carl?!

No kidding. That was a real WTF moment

Loved the fish biscuit bit.
"Well, how many were there?"
lol!

Yeah that was a good bit. 'I see you've got yourself a fish biscuit!'

It was great. Really felt for Jack. Some reveals but nothing yet on who The Others really are. I think that will be explained soon. The opening scene with the plan crashing was great. Ben (Henry Gale) plays a very good creepy character. "The next 3 weeks are going to be very difficult".

And the new character, Juliette, must be the rumored new love interest for Jack. Nothing like the falling for your captors bit...But something about her motives...She is very strong to knock out Jack with one punch, even if it was unexpected. Also, seems like her and Ben have some sort of history by the way she looked at him and answered him, something about his authority maybe...

Gotta love Sawyer..."It took the bears only a couple of hours". "How many were there?"

I wondered about Juliette knocking out Jack with one punch also....either they do have some sort of super soldier serum, ala the Super-Ethan theories that were going around 1st season, or he was just weak from hunger and dehydration.

Hey, didnt I hear Ben call Ethan "Ethan"? I guess "Ethan Rom" wasnt an entirely ficticious name

Jack was weak from the drugs they had gave him and refusing to eat and drink, and almost drowning, being captured, losing his friends, and a couple of other things.

I'm curious which King book it was, only do to the fact that the guy in the book club described it as something like "religious tripe", which is curious.

There were some easy things to nitpick, like Jack not hiring a private investigator, lol. That would have answered who the other guy was in about a day and a half, lol.

But it was an enjoyable begining to the season.

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Originally Posted by Trey Greyjoy
what did they do to poor Kate that cut her arms up so bad???


I thought it was just the handcuffs--like she tried to get out of them and hurt herself. But the more I think about your question, the more I think they may have done something to her, because she looked way more shook up than I expected her to when Sawyer asked her how she (after they locked her in the cage). Being told the next few weeks will be really hard wouldn't normally make her look so unsettled.

Another thing I'm wondering: if she had named Jack first instead of naming Sawyer first when she was talking to the leader, would they have put her in proximity to Jack instead of Sawyer?

I'm looking forward to the mind games Jack and Sawyer and Kate will be subjected to . . .

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Originally Posted by TK-421
She is very strong to knock out Jack with one punch, even if it was unexpected.


You can knock somebody out with one punch if you hit them in the right place on their jawline. Karate-girl right here!

Well a lot of people think someone might have "ra_ed" Kate. Just a theory

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Originally Posted by Brown Rat

Another thing I'm wondering: if she had named Jack first instead of naming Sawyer first when she was talking to the leader, would they have put her in proximity to Jack instead of Sawyer?



Now that is a very good question -- which never occurred to me until you brought it up. Because "Henry" did seem very interested in the fact that she did name Sawyer first.

Interesting how much information they had on Jack. Just as it was interesting that they knew Sawyer's real name at the end of last season when they put him on the list.

I did notice that Kate was more traumatized than a breakfast with creepy Henry would seem to warrant, but I didn't make the connection that something must have happened to her that we haven't seen yet.

I really want to know where they got all that information on the survivors.

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Originally Posted by Wiggum
I'm curious which King book it was, only do to the fact that the guy in the book club described it as something like "religious tripe", which is curious.



The book was definitely Carrie. The die-hards on the LOST forums have confirmed this via various screen-caps and good detective work. am wrong.

One other thing I read about is that the original DHARMA station they found with the 108 minute timer was called "Swan" - hence the Swan sign on the door.

There is a project called the Shadow-a-Swan-Project that uses the NOAA satellite to follow the migratory paths of swans.
http://www.uen.org/swan/
NOAA orbits the Earth every 108 minutes - just another thought!

I've not read 'Carrie'. Is it filled with religious themes?

When Ben said he had been on the island all of his life, I wondered if he meant he had been born there, or just that he had lived there as long as he could remember.

Or, of course, if he was just straight-out lying ...

I've been thinking about the Others' good guy and bad guy lists. I find it interesting that they want Jack to give up his desire to know the name of the man his wife hooked up with when she dumped him. Giving it up is a healthy thing for him to do. Of course, getting him to give it up might just be something they can use to break him, but that they wanted him to give it up might also mean that they view him as a good guy and want him to have a healthier attitude.

I guess Sun is on the bad guy list now, because she shot the female Other who told her that doing so would turn her into an enemy.

Funny that Jack laughed at the fact the Boston Red Sox won the World Series instead of when he said that Dubya has been re-elected...

Yes, Sun shooting (but we don't know if she's dead or not) that Other. Does anybody remember what Ben called her when she came down into the place where Jack is being held? I thought he called her "Honey". It seems she was not happy when she saw Juliette talking to Ben...some history there defenitely and some jealousy as well...Sun shooting her will have a huge impact I think and probably not a good one for the 3 captives. What was Sayid thinking or was he? I mean, he's a trained soldier and should of known they could not take the Others just the 3 of them without loosing either a life or the boat..or did he intend to loose the boat?

I've also been wondering about Michael and Walt. It sounds like the Others sent them back to the "real world." That strikes me as odd for two reasons: (1) Walt had some kind of power or tie to the island, so why would the Others send him away? (2) Michael became a bad guy when he killed two people, so why would they reward him by sending him away? (Or maybe they send bad people away?)

Am I unduly hung up on the business about the Other's distinguishing between bad guys and good guys? I can't even remember the episode in which this business came up--nor which of the Others mentioned to one of the crash survivors that the distinction is relevant. Does anyone remember?

I read an article somewhere -- don't remember where, and it's probably an old TV Guide long since sent off to recycling -- that said Michael and Walt would be back.

Yes, before Sun shot that Other, she said: "We are not the enemy Sun (and she even knew her last name). But if you shoot me, you will make us the enemy." But even when Ben was captive he never told anyone why they were not the bad guys. Or did he? Locke, which will feature prominently in this week's episode is the key here maybe. And remember Ben was coming to get Locke when he was captured by Rousseau.

TK, I mean that I'm trying to remember when the good-guy/bad-guy distinction (first?) came up in a previous season, not in the episode last week. Wasn't there a scene where a male Other told one of the plane-crash survivors about it, maybe right before that Other was killed by the survivor? The Other was trying to explain why some of the survivors had been taken or targeted for capture or something: the ones who were taken (or targeted or something) were deemed good guys by the Others.

 

[Teresa Edgerton]

I appreciated learning that Sun lied when she was little--that she was warned about what would happen to the maid but lied anyway. Knowing that lying has been her pattern for self-protection since an early age, and that she was more worried about herself than about the harm her lie did to the maid, I'm even more interested to see if she will finally break the pattern by telling Jin the truth.

When the series started out, it was pretty obvious we were supposed to be sympathetic to her lies, because Jin seemed to be so scary and abusive, and because she was always on the side of the other characters against his seemingly misguided ideas.

But her lies have really begun to add up, and this last episode shows those lies in a less sympathetic light. I still like her, and believe the lying was something she learned by growing up in an atmosphere of fear and deceit ... but the big question for me right now is whether or not she lied to Jin about what kind of businessman her father is, or whether he knew and simply thought he could work for the man and not be expected to take part in the nastier aspects of the business.

Because if she did lie about that, he would understandably have a lot of simmering resentment about some of the things he ended up doing because he took that job with her father. (One can only imagine that backing out once he knew what was expected of him would have been instantly fatal.)

 

[TK-421]

No wonder he did not like her befriending Michael...wonder how far tha befriendment went? Anyways, I am sure Jin is the father as well.

Now did anybody catch what Ben called the woman who Sun shot. I thaught I heard "Honey". Well, Ben will not be happy she's been shot (and likely dead). It seems she was not happy to see him talking to Juliette. Some history there no doubt.

 

[Trey Greyjoy]

Well, the woman that Sun shot was smootching the guy who rifle-buttled Sawyer. They showed it deliberately so you know its going to come back to haunt the survivors.

Very well said Teresa, I think the flashback was a way of showing us a very different side of Sun than we have seen before.

Anyone else growing tired of seeing Sawyer getting beat up week after week? I mean, seriously.

 

[Mouse]

She's called Colleen.

 

[TK-421]

Colleen...Honey...same thing

Poor Sawyer. He kind of attracts it doesn't he? He (and Eko) is definitely my favourite character.

 

[Teresa Edgerton]

Poor Sawyer. He kind of attracts it doesn't he?

I'm convinced he invites it. Either because he thinks he deserves it, or because he wants to prove to himself that other people are as bad as (he thinks) he is.

For instance, the time he goaded Sayid into torturing him to get Shannon's medicine, when he could just have admitted that he didn't have it.

 

[Carolyn Hill]

Last week, it seemed as if Sawyer wanted the Others who were guarding him to attack so that he could assess them as combatants. When Kate questioned the kiss that prompted the Others to beat him up, he replied with a serious assessment of their battle experience. (I think it's interesting that he judged the woman--the one who is playing mindgames with Jack--as the deadliest.)

I'm ready for tonight's episode (but first, the finale of Project Runway and a new episode of America's Next Top Model: gotta get plenty of chocolate for a three-hour couch-sit in front of the TV!).

 

[Trey Greyjoy]

Looks like Sawyer is really in for it next week

 

[Lucien21]

I'll watch episode 3 tonight when I get home from work.

 

[Carolyn Hill]

So, if John really did talk to the island in last night's episode, then the island must not be on the side of the Others, because the island said that he should save Echo now, and save Jack, Kate, and Sawyer later.

That reasoning presupposes a dichotomy of good versus bad, though. I suppose the island could be rooting for all of the humans but wanting to restrain certain behavior.

 

[TK-421]

Yes, next week's episode looks pretty intense with Ben yelling at Kate "Do you love this man?" and Sawyer tied down on the table, the needle, etc. Wow.

Is this retribution for Sun killing the one he loved (Colleen)?

They can't kill Sawyer. How can you not like Sawyer.

Good point, Brown Rat, never thought of that. But, Locke is back people...and it's great. Great to see Boone in that vision as well. Could Desmond be psychic? I mean he knew about Locke's speech before he even gave it. And Eko is safe...sigh of relief.

I find it interesting that the Others seem to be using the same tactic with jack as they did with Michael. Keep him seperated from his friends (Michael was seperated from Walt) and have a woman (Juliette) to take care of him like that one (can't remember her name but we have not seen her since) who took care of Michael and convinced him to do something terrible to be reunited with Walt. Will Jack be asked by Juliette to do something as well? Notice it's a woman he can identify with. Perhaps Juliette reminds Jack of his ex and the same thing applied to Michael.

Anyways, if the Others are the "good guys", they'e not showing it.

 

[dwndrgn]

This stuff so has me confused.

Desmond could be a; psychic, b; insane, c; a man from the future.

What's with the polar bears??? They'd die of heat exhaustion after the first day. They aren't built to withstand heat; cold yes (extra layers of fat, thicker skin, special type of fur...). They just don't make sense.

I'm annoyed with Locke a bit. He's the world's most giving and trusting man! He trusts everyone he meets and all of his own instincts and then when all that goes completely haywire, he continues to trust everyone he meets and continues to do his best to make everyone else comfortable at the expense of his own hard work. It just doesn't seem normal. Or am I just too darned cynical?

I'm annoyed with Sun too. And Jin. And Jack. Are they saying that we're all just plain old psycho or jerks or whatnot? The only one I can identify with so far is poor Hurley. I may not think that I would eat ranch dressing or mayo (whatever it was) straight from the jar but I wouldn't discount it depending on how hungry I was!

Is Eko going to die? Or wake up and not remember speaking to Locke? Is Locke insane too?

Sheesh. I'm so confused!

 

[TK-421]

No Locke is not insane. Just in tune I guess. Actually instead of being annoyed by him, I found a new respect for him last night after he: a) set aside his feelings about Charlie to help Eko and b) did not shoot that young cop Eddie in the flashback. Locke, like Sawyer, Jack, Kate, Sayid, Jin, Sun, Hurley, Michael, Walt, Boone, Shannon, Desmond, Ana Lucia, Charlie, Claire, etc. got dealt a crappy hand in life and they are now trying to "fix" things...another reason why Locke and Jack butt heads...they are both "fixers" or "farmers".

No Eko will not die. He cannot. Not yet anyways. He will be instrumental in leading the now leaderless survivors.

Actually polar bears do fairly well in the heat as their bodies are made to regulate themselves in both the winter and the summer, as long as abundant water is available for cooling off. The amount of food they eat, etc. has a great impact. I was as surprised as you probably are when I learnt this at the Toronto Zoo. So, yes they could survive there, especially in a cooler damp underground cave. But they are surely not know for their good temperament. I remember that where Jack is being held is underwater, a station called Hydra. A good place to experiement on polar bears?