3.06: Torn

Carolyn Hill

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So "Torn" reveals that Baltar hasn't been tossed off the Cylon ship and that he's continuing his weasel ways, lying to them just as he lied to his human compatriots. Good! And the rest of the episode was darn cool Cylonicly: the Cylon's projection psychology, the final five Cylon types, the (insane/godtouched) basestar controller, and the deadly Cylon plague. Neato!

What happens if Sharon, newly named Athena, catches the Cylon plague?
 
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Hmm...sharon's new callsign is "Athena"...

it's not really hooking onto me and when I saw the scene where they give her the name, it didn't feel right.

I'll still call her "boomer"...
 
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That plague probe must have been left behind by one or more of the five Cylon models that we haven't seen and the other 7 don't talk about.
 
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That's an interesting hypothesis, Delvo. What's your reasoning? I got the impression that the thing onboard the dying-Cylon ship was left behind by humans. I suppose you could be right: the final five Cylons might have found the probe/beacon/whatever-it-is and planted a plague on it, to kill the other Cylons. Then again, the plague might be a natural mutation of a human disease--one that could also still affect humans.

But your hypothesis is appealing, because it connects two current mysteries.
 
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Anyone remember, in the original series, wasn't Athena a character in that?

IMDb lists Athena as a character played by Maren Jensen in the original series. But I honestly don't remember much about it, because I haven't watched that series since it was first on TV.
 
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Anyone remember, in the original series, wasn't Athena a character in that?
Yes, she was a military officer whose duties were split between working on the bridge of the Galactica and as a Viper pilot. She was also Apollo's sister & Adama's daughter.

That's an interesting hypothesis, Delvo. What's your reasoning? I got the impression that the thing onboard the dying-Cylon ship was left behind by humans.
The only humans we know in this show are the Colonials, who don't know enough about the soft-bodied Cylons to create such a thing and haven't been in this area of space before. The only humans who've been in this area of space before were the ones that went to Earth, but that was a very long time ago and they knew nothing at all about Cylons, and they had no way to know or any reason to care that Cylons, other humans, or anybody else was eventually going to come along to do this to.

The "known" Cylons are accounted for already and wouldn't have done something like this to themselves (unless the internal conflicts begun on Caprica by 6 & 8 have developed into a civil war, which is quite a stretch).

The only group left other than the above also just happens to be the only group that could possibly meet the criteria of knowing the "known" Cylons well enough to design the "biological" weapon against them and predict that they might come along to this area (seeking Earth) to get hit by it. And the fact that they're not even spoken about by the other Cylons implies that the two groups were separated as a result of a pretty intense conflict.
 
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Anyone remember, in the original series, wasn't Athena a character in that?

Athena (Maren Jensen) was the daughter of the original Commander Cain (Lloyd Bridges). When Pegasus disappeared, and Cain was presumed dead, she and other surviving Pegasus pilots joined the Galactica crew.
 
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You're thinking of Sheba.
 
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Yes, she was a military officer whose duties were split between working on the bridge of the Galactica and as a Viper pilot. She was also Apollo's sister & Adama's daughter.

The only humans we know in this show are the Colonials, who don't know enough about the soft-bodied Cylons to create such a thing and haven't been in this area of space before. The only humans who've been in this area of space before were the ones that went to Earth, but that was a very long time ago and they knew nothing at all about Cylons, and they had no way to know or any reason to care that Cylons, other humans, or anybody else was eventually going to come along to do this to.

The "known" Cylons are accounted for already and wouldn't have done something like this to themselves (unless the internal conflicts begun on Caprica by 6 & 8 have developed into a civil war, which is quite a stretch).

The only group left other than the above also just happens to be the only group that could possibly meet the criteria of knowing the "known" Cylons well enough to design the "biological" weapon against them and predict that they might come along to this area (seeking Earth) to get hit by it. And the fact that they're not even spoken about by the other Cylons implies that the two groups were separated as a result of a pretty intense conflict.

That sounds extremely plausible to me. Although I did wonder if the Basestar hybrid was one of the lost 5 Cylon models, since some of the organic Cylons obviously considered her insane.

I think it's extremely interesting that Baltar's having doubts as to his own identity. I think one reason why he went to investigate the dead Basestar was to prove to himself that he's not Cylon. Although depending on how the virus transmits, it's still not completely guaranteed he's human.

Athena-Boomer obviously reacted to something before they jumped out, but I wonder if that was just to all the dead Cylon Raiders and the apparently dead Basestar, or if the virus is capable of being transmitted by radio or whatever method the Cylons use to "telepathically" communicate with one another (when taking votes from different individuals of the same model), or downloading into a new body. Obviously they feared that a dying contaminated Cylon would transmit the virus into the next body its personality inhabits, so it sounds like computer code to me. Although why would computer code need a capsule to activate? This episode definitely asks as many questions as it answers about the Cylons and their culture.

I found it extremely interesting, in that it shows the Cylons as something other than totally evil.
 
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is Casey's mother a cylon? I was wondering if her face looked similar to the base star woman. Could have been bad itunes reception. Maybe IMDB has the names.
 
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(I'm guessing that Scott is referring to the hybrid who controls the baseship.) I didn't notice a resemblance.
 
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yeah. The one that was covered in goo and spouting surreal nonsense. I was wondering if she looked like anybody because I'm always wondering who else is a cylon. Now I'm also wondering if Baltar's mind was the template for cylon skin-job consciousness somehow.
 
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I didn't see a resemblance between the baseship Cylon hybrid controller woman (reminiscent of the psychics in 'Minority Report' I thought!) and Casey's mother.

I also liked that there is now an explanation for the Cylon (dream sequences) projection psychology.

The diseased probe thing - Baltar said during one of his dream sequences that it was of human origin. There was no evidence to back that up. I guess we will find out more next week, as Caprica Six obviously knew that he lied about not seeing it.
...if the virus is capable of being transmitted by radio or whatever method the Cylons use to "telepathically" communicate with one another (when taking votes from different individuals of the same model), or downloading into a new body. Obviously they feared that a dying contaminated Cylon would transmit the virus into the next body its personality inhabits, so it sounds like computer code to me. Although why would computer code need a capsule to activate? This episode definitely asks as many questions as it answers about the Cylons and their culture...
Have you read 'Snow Crash' by Neal Stephenson?

The virus in that book takes the form of both a computer virus, capable of infecting the brains of unwary hackers in the Metaverse (a kind of virtual reality that would have a parallel in the Cylon projection pyschology) and a drug in the real world, being distributed by a network of Pentecostal churches via its infrastructure and belief system.

He speculates that early Sumerian culture used a primordial language which could be interpreted by human beings through the deep structures of the brain, rendering the learning of what he refers to as "acquired languages" needless. This theoretical language is related to glossolalia — also known as the phenomenon of "speaking in tongues" — stating that the babbling of glossolalia is in truth a truncated form of the primordial language. A comparison is made to computers and their binary machine code.

I just wonder if that is the direction this is going?
 

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