Regnants: A brothel scene excerpt, 1600 words

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Below is part of a brothel scene from my book Regnants. Critiques in both structure and grammatical areas are welcome. Please this has been plucked from page 321 of the MS so alot of things are in the excerpt that have already been explained in the MS, but cannot be posted here due to space considerations. Thanks.










Above Bluefield, the Sun won a skirmish with the clouds, driving away the seasonal morning chill as it climbed to midday. The town burdened with the sheer volume of martial presence, was free of crime. The attributes of the military was hierarchal and order, but this doctrine was less apparent in the funhouses clustered on a back street by the Wall-don’s offices. Located in the centre of town, where cleanliness and conformity were rigidly enforced, they were recovering from the night’s usual spike in activity.

These funhouses lined on a road named happy valley, catered for every taste or vice as long as there was commensurate coin. Disposable coin not rank was the premier requirement: With so many soldiers milling about, adherence to rank existed but in a muted manner. Consequently, it was one of those places were the highest and the lowest in the military firmament intermingled. Based on the weight of a customer's purse, the establishments on offer ranged from the drearily tardy at the end of the road, to the grandly gilded close by the Wall-don’s backyard.

In one specific building, which was large, grand and outwardly significant, was an establishment placed in the upper echelons of this range. As was the norm of funhouses in the Imperium, although these establishments were ostensibly was always open, in reality, proper business started from the second hour after noon, when the comforters would have regained their strength and lustre from the previous day's exertions. As was generally known, the quality and quantity of merchandise was not high in these non-peak hours.

Most of the ladies were asleep as some sharp customers used the late night hours to engage weary or less successful girls for less price. As these girls usually operated to a set target, some customers used these wee hours to get relief at reduced prices. The difference between the peak times could reach to as much as four to ten times, as did the quality of service.

The mean-faced guard at the entrance was not averse to the tipping prevalent in daylight hours: a rare benefit of such duty. Once past its ornate door, with the ground floor activities closed, rugged and silent stairs led the visitor to the upper floors of this three-storey funhouse. Another demerit of daylight patronage: The unlit corridors were dark and dingy, masking the elaborate and erotic cravings and paintings on the walls. Each floor held about twenty ordinary comfort rooms and four superior ones, each having a semi-permanent resident, and containing a large room dominated by a large fluff-filled bed and a gauze-covered window.

In one large but ordinary comfort room, and under the climbing Sun, an amorous display was in place. One early visitor lay atop the occupant, doing his utmost to get his money's worth. Audible in the air was her endearments seasoned with obscenities, matched by his lustful groans.

A month had passed since his enlightening experience and the Legion had still not left its deployment area. From all indications, the required orders had not arrived and Emburmak was awaiting the reinforcement of at least two squads to his troop. In addition, although training was the norm, in meantime, Emburmak indulged.

Using the pretext of visiting Dalamis, he frequented the town, expanding his knowledge, until he stumbled on this high-class establishment. On his first visit he ran into the beautiful Derit, the moaning woman beneath him, who then gave him such a wonderful time. The contrast to the previous one was like a mountain and a gorge. There and then, he engaged her services, more than doubling the agreed fare in the process. Her face lit up even further, gladdening his heart.

This was easy!

While he was at it, he enlisted a course in the art of pleasure: He the student, she the tutor.

That was then this was now.

This was Emburmak's fifth visit since they had sealed their compact and he could now discern the merits or otherwise of her act. As he had belatedly realised, comfort workers were just that, workers. Majority of their performances were just work, so the cries, movements and clutches were all part of the act.

This was the third time he was taking her today, and as it reached midday, it was becoming hot and humid. The first two times he had followed her previous teaching meticulously, bringing her to the crest twice, but the third time he was after his own enjoyment. Due to his exertions, he was perspiring, muscles and joints arching, so foreplay was the last thing on his mind. What was on his mind was not entirely lust either.

It was a strange feeling that he was experiencing, a sort of hangover, for deep inside him, he knew that this was the last time he would grace her chamber. There would be no unburdening of his mind to her on this occasion, for it had emptied of the Amanda hurt. He had initially thought that relief was the lure but he had to concede, it was purely lust.

Derit had taught him all she could about pleasuring a woman. On this last intercourse, he felt she was back to the professional she was, mentally disassociated from the act while physically performing, with a healthy dose of talk. Finally, her verbal entreaties pushed him over the edge, and he climaxed, gripping her powerfully as she matched his cries and moans with fake repetitive ripostes.

Without giving him time to recover, she gently pushed him off. Her relief was evident as she got up. On a wooden cabinet of the sort called the 'chop box' in a corner of the room was a basin filled with cold water. He watched as she took a cloth from a group on a line overhead, dipped it in water and began cleaning herself. Shorn of his lust, he could see Derit as she really was.

Her white skin, and brown hair, he admittedly acknowledged, was a vague resemblance to Amanda. Both seemed blessed with smooth limbs, which crowned a good body. But the courtesan was taller and bigger in a sort of handsome hard-featured way. Moreover, the effects of her profession were beginning to show on Derit’s face or perhaps it was her lack of make-up.

He could not now be sure what had prompted him to offer to buy her time for the past month on the exchange she trained him in the art of pleasuring a woman.
Was it relief, revenge or lust?
At first, she had balked, but accepted when he explained it would only be on every fourth day, with him paying up front and her subject to tips. She had suggested the morning time as being more convenient.

His mind drifted back from their first meeting, and he watched as she dried off. She reached for her own clothes, wearing them with a practiced indifference to his watching eyes. Emburmak did not attempt to wear his clothes until she came to sit by him, in an unspoken attempt to get him to depart. Only then did he reach for his clothes, first checking the weight of his purse. Not that he thought it would be any lighter, but it always paid to be extra cautious.

"That was great my loving bull. You are so big, so strong. Phew! My insides are arching me!"

Her small talk, one of the secondary things to attract her to him, now sounded repetitive, empty and condescending. For the first time he really looked past her physical attributes, concluding she was a narrowly educated girl from some orphanage whom at most had a few more years in this profession, then what next?

If she were lucky, she would build a nest egg and 'purchase' a husband with the dowry. He did not see her as a house Madam or a petty roadside trader. He hoped he had done his bit to add the egg.

"This will be our last time."

"Why, do I tire you already?" Derit asked, the smile drying her face.

"We agreed on a brief. You impart your knowledge to me for favourable financial returns," Emburmak replied, looking away.

"You have learned, but are still in need of more training," Derit replied, a slight tremor in her voice.

"Is that your head talking or your greed?"

"You men are all the same." She replied, the sweetness in her voice gone, her amicable mask falling. She rose, anxious to be rid of him. He took his time to getting into his clothing.

"You are all the same." She said shrilly, sounding both petulant and haughty.

"I am sorry you feel this way."

"You can take that sorry and put it where the Sun don’t shine!"

"What has got into you? You knew what our agreement was," He replied exasperation evident in his tone.

"A girl enters such with a least a hope of something bigger."

"Like?"

"Every girl dreams of a charming saviour. I thought you were mine!"

"But you are a..."

"A whore? A prostitute? Do you think I like this work? Or do you think I took it by choice? You told me of your hurts. You think you are the only one who has ever been hurt?"

“I did not know you were hurt.”

“We all are!”

"I am sorry."

"Oh go away!"

Emburmak stumbled out.

Women!

He could never get a handle on them. One moment you thought you understood them, the next moment you were left even more befuddled than when you started. As he strolled out of the establishment, he took time to reflect. Purging his Amanda-related daemons had been the original reasons for patronising these girls.

However, he had come to realise that the workers were fruits cast away after use, just as Amanda had used him. Although their ordained ends would not be so drastic, he felt a certain disgust at his recent acts. True, the first woman in his life had handled him badly, but he was less than innocent with the third.
 
Below is part of a brothel scene from my book Regnants. Critiques in both structure and grammatical areas are welcome. Please this has been plucked from page 321 of the MS so alot of things are in the excerpt that have already been explained in the MS, but cannot be posted here due to space considerations. Thanks.










Above Bluefield, the Sun
why capital "S"? Deity?
won a skirmish with the clouds, driving away the seasonal morning chill as it climbed to midday. The town
comma
burdened with the sheer volume of martial presence, was free of crime. The attributes of the military was hierarchal and order,
Were; and either"hirarcal and orderly", or "hierachy and order"
but this doctrine was less apparent in the funhouses clustered on a back street by the Wall-don’s offices. Located in the centre of town, where cleanliness and conformity were rigidly enforced, they were recovering from the night’s usual spike in activity.
These funhouses
comma
no "on"; or "lined up"
a road named happy valley, catered for every taste or vice as long as there was commensurate coin. Disposable coin
comma
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was the premier requirement: With so many soldiers milling about, adherence to rank existed but in a muted manner. Consequently, it was one of those places were the highest and the lowest in the military firmament intermingled. Based on the weight of a customer's purse, the establishments on offer ranged from the drearily tardy at the end of the road, to the grandly gilded close by the Wall-don’s backyard.
In one specific building, which was large, grand and outwardly significant, was an establishment placed in the upper echelons of this range. As was the norm of funhouses in the Imperium, although these establishments were ostensibly was always open, in reality, proper business started from the second hour after noon, when the comforters would have regained their strength and lustre from the previous day's exertions. As was generally known, the quality and quantity of merchandise was not high in these non-peak hours.

Most of the ladies were asleep as some sharp customers used the late night hours to engage weary or less successful girls for less
a lower price, or less coin. Sinnce you're using "price" in the next sentence, perhaps the latter.
price. As these girls usually operated to a set target, some customers used these wee hours to get relief at reduced prices. The difference between the peak times could reach to as much as four to ten times, as did the quality of service.
The mean-faced guard at the entrance was not averse to the tipping prevalent in daylight hours: a rare benefit of such duty. Once past its ornate door, with the ground floor activities closed, rugged and silent stairs led the visitor to the upper floors of this three-storey funhouse. Another demerit of daylight patronage: The unlit corridors were dark and dingy, masking the elaborate and erotic cravings
I assume that's "carvings".To find ones cravings halfway up a wall…
and paintings on the walls. Each floor held about twenty ordinary comfort rooms and four superior ones, each having a semi-permanent resident, and containing a large room dominated by a large fluff-filled bed and a gauze-covered window.
I assume these are suites, rather than rooms, as you describe them as containing room
In one large but ordinary comfort room, and under the climbing Sun, an amorous display was in place. One early visitor lay atop the occupant, doing his utmost to get his money's worth. Audible in the air was
were
her endearments seasoned with obscenities, matched by his lustful groans.
A month had passed since his enlightening experience and the Legion had still not left its deployment area. From all indications, the required orders had not arrived and Emburmak was awaiting the reinforcement of
by?
at least two squads to his troop. In addition, although training was the norm, in meantime, Emburmak indulged.
Using the pretext of visiting Dalamis, he
had
frequented the town, expanding his knowledge, until he stumbled on this high-class establishment. On his first visit he ran into the beautiful Derit, the moaning woman beneath him, who then gave
"had then given"(or possibly "had since given"
him such a wonderful time. The contrast to the previous one was like a mountain and a gorge. There and then, he engaged her services, more than doubling the agreed fare
"fee"? Fare is more in matters of transport
in the process. Her face lit up even further, gladdening his heart.
This was easy!

While he was at it, he enlisted
in
a course in the art of pleasure:
no capital "H"
He the student, she the tutor.
That was then this was now.

This was Emburmak's fifth visit since they had sealed their compact and he could now discern the merits or otherwise of her act. As he had belatedly realised, comfort workers were just that, workers.
"The majority"
Majority of their performances were just work, so the cries, movements and clutches were all part of the act.
This was the third time he was taking her today, and as it reached midday, it was becoming hot and humid. The first two times he had followed her previous teaching meticulously, bringing her to the crest twice, but the third time he was after his own enjoyment. Due to his exertions, he was perspiring, muscles and joints arching, so foreplay was the last thing on his mind. What was on his mind was not entirely lust either.

It was a strange feeling that he was experiencing, a sort of hangover, for deep inside him, he knew that this was the last time he would grace her chamber. There would be no unburdening of his mind to her on this occasion, for it had emptied of the Amanda hurt. He had initially thought that relief was the lure but he had to concede, it was purely lust.

Derit had taught him all she could about pleasuring a woman. On this last intercourse, he felt she was back to the professional she was, mentally disassociated from the act while physically performing, with a healthy dose of talk. Finally, her verbal entreaties pushed him over the edge, and he climaxed, gripping her powerfully as she matched his cries and moans with fake repetitive ripostes.

Without giving him time to recover, she gently pushed him off. Her relief was evident as she got up. On a wooden cabinet of the sort called the 'chop box' in a corner of the room was a basin filled with cold water. He watched as she took a cloth from a group on a line overhead, dipped it in water and began cleaning herself. Shorn of his lust, he could see Derit as she really was.

Her white skin, and brown hair, he admittedly acknowledged, was
not "admittedly aknowledged", one or the other; and it would be "bore" or "held" a resemblance, not "was"
a vague resemblance to Amanda. Both seemed blessed with smooth limbs, which crowned a good body. But the courtesan was taller and bigger in a sort of handsome hard-featured way. Moreover, the effects of her profession were beginning to show on Derit’s face or perhaps it was her lack of make-up.
He could not now be sure what had prompted him to offer to buy her time for the past month on the exchange she trained him in the art of pleasuring a woman.
"in exchange for training him"?
Was it relief, revenge or lust?
At first, she had balked, but accepted when he explained it would only be on every fourth day, with him paying up front and her subject to tips. She had suggested the morning time as being more convenient.

His mind drifted back from ] their first meeting, and he watched as she dried off. She reached for her own clothes,
"donning them"? putting them on? She wouldn't have been worried about him seeing her wearing them.
wearing them with a practiced indifference to his watching eyes. Emburmak did not attempt to wear his clothes until she came to sit by him, in an unspoken attempt to get him to depart. Only then did he reach for his clothes, first checking the weight of his purse. Not that he thought it would be any lighter, but it always paid to be extra cautious.
"That was great my loving bull. You are so big, so strong. Phew! My insides are arching
"aching"takes no object, so either no "me", or another verb, like "hurting"
Her small talk, one of the secondary things to attract her to him, now sounded repetitive, empty and condescending. For the first time he really looked past her physical attributes, concluding she was a narrowly educated girl from some orphanage whom at most had a few more years in this profession, then what next?

If she were lucky, she would build a nest egg and 'purchase' a husband with the dowry. He did not see her as a house Madam or a petty roadside trader. He hoped he had done his bit to add
to
"This will be our last time."

"Why, do I tire you already?" Derit asked, the smile drying her face.

"We agreed on a brief. You impart your knowledge to me for favourable financial returns," Emburmak replied, looking away.

"You have learned, but are still in need of more training," Derit replied, a slight tremor in her voice.

"Is that your head talking or your greed?"

"You men are all the same." She replied, the sweetness in her voice gone, her amicable mask falling. She rose, anxious to be rid of him. He took his time to
no "to"
getting into his clothing.
"You are all the same." She said shrilly, sounding both petulant and haughty.

"I am sorry you feel this way."

"You can take that sorry and put it where the Sun don’t shine!"

"What has got into you? You knew what our agreement was," He replied
comma
exasperation evident in his tone.
"A girl enters such with a least a hope of something bigger."

"Like?"

"Every girl dreams of a charming saviour. I thought you were mine!"

"But you are a..."

"A whore? A prostitute? Do you think I like this work? Or do you think I took it by choice? You told me of your hurts. You think you are the only one who has ever been hurt?"

“I did not know you were hurt.”

“We all are!”

"I am sorry."

"Oh go away!"

Emburmak stumbled out.

Women!

He could never get a handle on them. One moment you thought you understood them, the next moment you were left even more befuddled than when you started. As he strolled out of the establishment, he took time to reflect. Purging his Amanda-related daemons had been the original reasons
reason
for patronising these girls.
However, he had come to realise that the workers were fruits cast away after use, just as Amanda had used him. Although their ordained ends would not be so drastic, he felt a certain disgust at his recent acts. True, the first woman in his life had handled him badly, but he was less than innocent with the third.
 
Thanks chrispenycate! Fewer corrections? I must be improving.:)

Nevertheless on this occasion, let me make some comments, which I will point out.


why capital "S"? Deity?commaWere; and either"hirarcal and orderly", or "hierachy and order"comma no "on"; or "lined up"comma[color=redcomma[/color]
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> Your spellings for hierarchal was strange but I get the correction! I decided to put 'Sun' as capital in my world b/c the moon's name is different and capital. But you are right.

"had since given""fee"? Fare is more in matters of transportinno capital "H""The majority"not "admittedly aknowledged", one or the other; and it would be "bore" or "held" a resemblance, not "was" "in exchange for training him"?"donning them"? putting them on? She wouldn't have been worried about him seeing her wearing them."aching"takes no object, so either no "me", or another verb, like "hurting"tono "to"commareason

I intentionally used 'fare' as a pun. He is afterall ridding her from A to B! From A amatuer to B expert. As for 'aching' it is speech and I am using a real event that used the exact words as basis. As for the wearing, it is from his POV and may or may not be accurate, so I do not think it is out of place.

As to the comma after 'replied' I put it there, but Word keeps hightlighting that in green as it does after 'said,' Is it a setting error on my part or the program?

Once again thanks. Em
 
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Interesting excerpt. But personally I found that your hero's actions in it have made me dislike him immensely. I'm not sure if that was your intent?
 
Interesting excerpt. But personally I found that your hero's actions in it have made me dislike him immensely. I'm not sure if that was your intent?

Actually he is not a likable characther. But he does have reasons, having been on the wrong side of such use earlier. In my world vis book there are no classical 'spotless' heros. Most, if not all have flaws that might not be likable to 'modern' eyes.It is more a question of redemption.:)
 
I do believe that characters should be flawed, but your hero still has to be likable or else there will be no reason for people to keep reading. You can't form an attachment to someone who you despise! It's the emotional attachment that keeps the reader immersed in your book for hours, and makes them rush out to buy the next. Is Emburmak your main protagonist?
 
First my own comments. I'll leave grammatic stuff because others are much better than I and it seems to have been covered.

I find the whole situation very intriguing. Eburmak seems to be a complex character with obvious personal demons. This can be good and bad depending on the purpose of the book, whether it is focused on plot or character. As to what jenna mentioned, that is true, but remember that this is just an excerpt, and likely there is more about the character that will draw readers to the character.
Another thing I like is the way it works within the world you have created. Things are mentioned that are common in that world but not in ours, but in a way that doesnt leave us confused and without having to explain it in a lengthy way.
A couple things I did not like as much were some word choices. In a few places it seems you have chosen somewhat more complex words where simple ones will do. This might seem trivial, but sometimes making simpler choices makes your sentences flow a little better, and there were a few places where the wording seemed a little akward.
But overall it seems interesting, particularly the setting. I'd be interested in learning more about it and its history.
 
First my own comments. I'll leave grammatic stuff because others are much better than I and it seems to have been covered.

I find the whole situation very intriguing. Eburmak seems to be a complex character with obvious personal demons. This can be good and bad depending on the purpose of the book, whether it is focused on plot or character. As to what jenna mentioned, that is true, but remember that this is just an excerpt, and likely there is more about the character that will draw readers to the character.
Another thing I like is the way it works within the world you have created. Things are mentioned that are common in that world but not in ours, but in a way that doesnt leave us confused and without having to explain it in a lengthy way.
A couple things I did not like as much were some word choices. In a few places it seems you have chosen somewhat more complex words where simple ones will do. This might seem trivial, but sometimes making simpler choices makes your sentences flow a little better, and there were a few places where the wording seemed a little akward.
But overall it seems interesting, particularly the setting. I'd be interested in learning more about it and its history.


Thank you very much for your enlightening comments. Emburmak is the protagonist and is on a journey of redemption. But to be redeemed you have to be redeemable. He has received hard knocks in life both professionally and emotionally that veers him on a path few in the modern world will follow. As for my use of some other terms instead of the usual, I refer you my earlier Dueling scene post.

The problem is when you use words that are similiar to what you as a writer want, other readers impose definitions that are at variance to the author intended.

For example funhouse and comforter. I could have used brothel & whore, but I would have fallen right into the problems I got with using dueling. A funhouse is a brothel, tavern and gamling den rolled into one--in short a relaxation centre. A comforter is not a stand by the road whore, nor a behind the screen courtesan, but a permanent resident of a funhouse who only parades her 'wares' within the confines of the establishment. As can be seen if I used the normal words it would not have conveyed the meaning I intended.

Once again thanks. I have been here only a month and yet I received insightful comments that have enabled me to modify my MS.:)
 
That is true, but I was not referring to those kinds of terms, which seem to fit well, as you have explained, but more to just some of the language. For example:
catered for every taste or vice as long as there was commensurate coin.

In this sentence, the use of the word commensurate, while showing you know good vocabulary, in my opinion inteerupts the flow more than if you said something like "as long as ther purses were full." That was a a pretty uninspired example but you know what I mean.
This is of course just my opinion on flow, and of course others might not agree with me.
 
That is true, but I was not referring to those kinds of terms, which seem to fit well, as you have explained, but more to just some of the language. For example:

In this sentence, the use of the word commensurate, while showing you know good vocabulary, in my opinion inteerupts the flow more than if you said something like "as long as ther purses were full." That was a a pretty uninspired example but you know what I mean.
This is of course just my opinion on flow, and of course others might not agree with me.
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Thanks, and I see what you mean, but I could have said-"catered for every taste under the sun" or-"catered to every taste known to man" which was what I had originally written, but lo in another site I was told it was a cliche. In another critique my use of 'subterfuge' was critisised, in spite of the fact it was the best word for what I had in mind. In another 'noon' came under the hammer. Most saw both as okay, one or two did not.

'Commensurate' does exactly what I want in a single word. If I re-wrote it-catered for every taste as long as they got paid. Some other person would call it tacky or contrived. Your own--"as long as ther purses were full." does not convey the meaning I want. A full purse doe not mean payment for services rendered.

Thanks for your comments as it caused me to have another look. 'Firmament' is totally out of place and has been expunged from the text. The problem with writing is you cannot satisfy everyone.


Making it commercial is all well and good but 'dumbing' it down just to be completely commercial does not sit down well with me. At the end of the day one can only be true to oneself. That is what I try to do in my writing.:)
 
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I was writing a piece which had been specifically commisioned (which always gives you, if not the moral high ground, at least a strong defensive position) and he who was editing me dug up an arcane formular multiplying the number of letters per word, (or was that syllables?) by the number of words per sentence, by the average number of sentences by paragraph, ad ten for every use of the passive mode, and five for every subordinate clause, then divide by the square root of the number of pages to get your social inacceptbility factor (or, the inverse of how many Americans will get through the first chapter without flinging the book across the room)(no, that's unfair to Americans. We may disagree on spelling, but I've no evidence demonstrating they're worse than the British for demanding simplified entertainment) Needless to say, I was recalcitrant - well, "pig-headed might please the simplifyers more.
Though I might question the use of a particular word occasionally, I will not attempt to simplify it if it is the right word, even if only five percent of the population recognises it without a dictionary. Politics might descend to the demotic for its survival; art should surely be trying to raise its public.
While I agree that using complicated words for their own sake, while a temptation, is not good for the story, attempting to make everything one writes comprehensible to a five year old is not positive, either (unless, evidently, the tale is aimed at five year olds)
I lobotomised my "word", not only because, having been bought in France, it defaulted to correcting everything which wasn't in french, but because I consider my opinion more important than that of some distant programmer who's never read anything by me. It needs the comma after replied. But you are perfectly correct; I shouldn't correct dialogue, I must have got carried away.
 
i'm going to agree with torontophil- i'm suitably impressed with your vocubulary and cleverness at phrasing, but you are laying them on way, way too thick for my taste. of course i'll be the first to admit that i like text to be clear and to the point and prefer to be impressed with a writer's ideas and ability to communicate, not so much by their style.

i felt very often that i had to disentangle the clever wordplay to get to the point of what was happening. this made it rather tiresome reading the story, notwithstanding the talent in some areas that you clearly show for writing.

example:
Above Bluefield, the Sun won a skirmish with the clouds, driving away the seasonal morning chill as it climbed to midday. The town burdened with the sheer volume of martial presence, was free of crime. The attributes of the military was hierarchal and order, but this doctrine was less apparent in the funhouses clustered on a back street by the Wall-don’s offices. Located in the centre of town, where cleanliness and conformity were rigidly enforced, they were recovering from the night’s usual spike in activity.
"it's midday at bluefield. the number of army regulars present meant that crime was rare in the town. in the brothels near wall-don's offices, military etiquette was relaxed. a group of soldiers was recovering from another late night in the center of town."

that's not precisely how i would write the paragraph, but that's the kind of 'decoding' i had to keep doing and closer to how i'd like that text to read.

btw i did love such pleasing turns as "the sun won a skirmish with the clouds" and do appreciate that you are trying to create mood here. but as i say, i hunger for the story, not the trappings of a story.

hope that wasn't too harsh, but... >_<
 
"it's midday at bluefield. the number of army regulars present meant that crime was rare in the town. in the brothels near wall-don's offices, military etiquette was relaxed. a group of soldiers was recovering from another late night in the center of town."
Yes, but surely if you take out all the descriptive phrases and "flowery" language, what you're left with reads to me like a set of stage directions - and you end up with a book that is about 5,000 words long.:confused:


"It's midday at Bluefield. The number of army regulars present mean that crime is rare in the town. In the brothels near wall-don's offices, military etiquette is relaxed. A group of soldiers is recovering from another late night in the center of town. Enter Emburak, stage left"
 
Yes, but surely if you take out all the descriptive phrases and "flowery" language, what you're left with reads to me like a set of stage directions - and you end up with a book that is about 5,000 words long.:confused:


"It's midday at Bluefield. The number of army regulars present mean that crime is rare in the town. In the brothels near wall-don's offices, military etiquette is relaxed. A group of soldiers is recovering from another late night in the center of town. Enter Emburak, stage left"

Thanks. You do hit the nail on the head. This is not a screen play, but a story that needs descriptive phrases and 'flowing' language. Fantasy usually involves inventing a whole new world with societies, species, religion, technology and magic different to our world. To me reading such is an intellectual exercise, it is not the same as watching TV or reading the next detective novel.

To cut fantasy down to a 'wham bham' narrative is not on. If we do this, then what we left is a nut and bolts screen play without dynamism or individuality: On-stage, actors & actresses visually compensate for this, not so in a novel. I can understand people asking for simplication, but in my opinion, unless the fiction is kids or adolescents, that should not be so. I am not talking of a J Joyce epic here. But neither do I suscribe to pulp fantasy.

I must admit that authors that interest me (quite a few are listed on the Authors list) are those whose effort you can glean from not only the power of their story-telling, but their description and phrasing. Such that you may have to re-read the whole book again to trully appreciate it. It is that which establishes their creavity and distinguishes one from other.

Books that are exciting but 'dumbed down' just for a quick buck or to go completely comercial, which I only read once without the inclination to read again, are not what I try to depict in my writing.:)
 
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Making it commercial is all well and good but 'dumbing' it down just to be completely commercial does not sit down well with me. At the end of the day one can only be true to oneself. That is what I try to do in my writing.:)

Well said. I guess what I, and gigantes, are trying to point out is that at points, not just here but a trap many authors fall into, using "loaded" words can take away from the flow and make the reading more about the words, rather than the message. Dumbing down is the last thing you want to do, but its always important to read what you have written not by how it sounds, but how it flows. Again, this is not just a comment for you, but one in general.
 
Yes, but surely if you take out all the descriptive phrases and "flowery" language, what you're left with reads to me like a set of stage directions - and you end up with a book that is about 5,000 words long.:confused:
yea, i think we've successfully demonstrated problems with going to extremes in either direction. the sensible solution is hopefully self-evident at this point.

one of the most important things you have to do as a writer is to learn how to murder your children, and by children i mean your words, of course.

you can have the most wonderful set of children in the world, but in order to improve them as a whole some have to be rearranged, altered from their original natural state and even murdered. even some of the most beautiful ones must be dispensed with, as painful as that may be.

no question that fantasy literature has a more poetic nature than most, and i don't pretend to be a great fan of that genre. you can perhaps throw out my feedback as irrelevant and i have no problem with that.

as long as you're fulfilled by your writing then that means the most to me, since you can't worry about pleasing every idiot out there. *waves hand in the air*

:)
 
i'm going to agree with torontophil- i'm suitably impressed with your vocubulary and cleverness at phrasing, but you are laying them on way, way too thick for my taste. of course i'll be the first to admit that i like text to be clear and to the point and prefer to be impressed with a writer's ideas and ability to communicate, not so much by their style.

i felt very often that i had to disentangle the clever wordplay to get to the point of what was happening. this made it rather tiresome reading the story, notwithstanding the talent in some areas that you clearly show for writing.

example:

"it's midday at bluefield. the number of army regulars present meant that crime was rare in the town. in the brothels near wall-don's offices, military etiquette was relaxed. a group of soldiers was recovering from another late night in the center of town."

that's not precisely how i would write the paragraph, but that's the kind of 'decoding' i had to keep doing and closer to how i'd like that text to read.

btw i did love such pleasing turns as "the sun won a skirmish with the clouds" and do appreciate that you are trying to create mood here. but as i say, i hunger for the story, not the trappings of a story.

hope that wasn't too harsh, but... >_<

I didn't have a problem at all with the original paragraph that Emburmak wrote. I prefer writing that is a bit more flourished, and not dumbed down. If I want to read a kids book, I'll read Harry Potter! But I do agree that there were a couple of places where the larger words seemed out of place. Without going back and specifically looking for them, I can remember 2 or 3 times when I read the piece that the word choice was a bit jarring. But that just requires a bit of editing, I definitely wouldn't suggest changing your style completely, because that's what makes the story yours. I would say be true to your self and your style, but make sure you really polish the prose up in your editing process.
 
I didn't have a problem at all with the original paragraph that Emburmak wrote. I prefer writing that is a bit more flourished, and not dumbed down. If I want to read a kids book, I'll read Harry Potter! But I do agree that there were a couple of places where the larger words seemed out of place. Without going back and specifically looking for them, I can remember 2 or 3 times when I read the piece that the word choice was a bit jarring. But that just requires a bit of editing, I definitely wouldn't suggest changing your style completely, because that's what makes the story yours. I would say be true to your self and your style, but make sure you really polish the prose up in your editing process.

Thanks very much. All of you. From my personal experience I'd say that fantasy writing has changed over the past 20-30 years. The F Saberhagens and P Andersons used to write tight compact stories. Not any more. One could be an avid fan of fantasy and something like mystery. That is rare now. The Lord of the Rings, the first of the modern epic, encountered problems with publishing that well illustrate this point.

Let me show another illustration by use of snnipets below from famous authors.

1)They flowed into a horsehoe pattern, aiming to take her head-on and from the flanks. But the room's clutter meant the shoe's nails were unevenly spread.

When I first read this, I was dumb-founded, thinking that the writer was trying to write over my head. I had to re-read it thrice to actually get it and only later appreciate it.


2)They teach the old lores: herb and animal, far seeing and far speech, summonings and compulsions and other ancient magics. She has the quickness for it, and the I need not tell you she has the power.

To my mind the first sentence is deep, the second bloated. And yet the book is filled with such, and is I must admit a great book, as I got to appreciate the style.

3) The shadows were drawing long, sufficient to swallow the entire basin below their position. She stood at the crest of the northernmost ramp, studying the distant masses of soldiery on the far rises as they continued digging in.

The first time I read this I could not comprehend what the writer meant. Even now I do not think it is possible based on where she is and her view, but hey, that's the way fantasy is going. Only by getting lost in the author's descriptive methodology did I begin to appreciate it and other like ones.

In every writer I have read, there are things that are jarring to my ears and yet it is that which distinguishes them. Who knows if it survives editing, what jars you might be my personal style.:)
 
Above Bluefield, the Sun won a skirmish with the clouds, driving away the seasonal morning chill as it climbed to midday.

I like the opening imagery, however I agree with Chris as to capitalization of the Sun, though I understand your point of view.
The word seasonal doesn't really give a good impression.It seems generic to me and I think it would create more impact to actually name the season even if your seasons don't have traditional names such as Autumn or Winter.
The town burdened with the sheer volume of martial presence, was free of crime.

Saying "the town" is burdened to me seems a little pompous. I think you would be better served to illustrate your point. Such as: Soldiers teemed in the streets; their sheer volume ensuring the town was free of crime.
The attributes of the military was hierarchal and order, but this doctrine was less apparent in the funhouses clustered on a back street by the Wall-don’s offices. Located in the centre of town, where cleanliness and conformity were rigidly enforced, they were recovering from the night’s usual spike in activity.

Your style in this opening paragraph is very dry. It would really speed up the flow and get a reader more engaged to reword it a little, show instead o f tell. I would also seperate the military from the introduction to the funhouses. Only way to effectively give an example of what I mean is to reword your sentences in my own style. The way I would have done it using your wordings mainly:

Above Bluefield, the sun won a skirmish with the clouds, driving away autumn’s morning chill as it climbed to midday. Soldiers teemed in the narrow streets; their sheer volume ensuring the town was free of crime. They had arrived two moons ago and imposed their strict military doctrine of hierarchy and order immediately.

These effects were less apparent, in the quaint buildings, clustered on a back street behind the Wall-don’s offices. A few tousled patron’s were leaving, defying the new code of cleanliness and conformity, otherwise the funhouses were recovering from their night’s activity.


These funhouses lined on a road named happy valley, catered for every taste or vice as long as there was commensurate coin. Disposable coin not rank was the premier requirement: With so many soldiers milling about, adherence to rank existed but in a muted manner. Consequently, it was one of those places were the highest and the lowest in the military firmament intermingled. Based on the weight of a customer's purse, the establishments on offer ranged from the drearily tardy at the end of the road, to the grandly gilded close by the Wall-don’s backyard.

I found this paragraph contradictory, in that you say the soldiers are intermingling, yet by the end of the paragraph you express that there are established ranges of funhouses dependant upon a customers financial means. Sorry but a common soldier it would be more normal for him not to want to be among the officers and to gravitate to the cheaper establishes, as a soldiers in the lower ranks may not be the best. So I question is it natural and is the street so tiny that they'd intermingle among the houses as you first seem to suggest.


In one specific building, which was large, grand and outwardly significant, was an establishment placed in the upper echelons of this range.

I love your writing Em, so don't take this harsh but you have a style that is very dry. You tend to describe things as though you aren't there, in an almost textbook or scientific manner.
It's very hard to relate to the experience at times. I think this could be fixed easily but I find at times I'm bogged down by your choice of structure. Example "In one specific building" sounds very pompous, why can't you simply state:

On the end of the block was a building much grander and outwardly significant then the others.

As was the norm of funhouses in the Imperium, although these establishments were ostensibly was always open, in reality, proper business started from the second hour after noon,

Whose telling us it is the norm. You keep doing an almost omni pov that is truly more then a little distracting.
when the comforters would have regained their strength and lustre from the previous day's exertions. As was generally known, the quality and quantity of merchandise was not high in these non-peak hours.

Could you spice it up a little, just tell us the streets are quiet as the girls recover.


Most of the ladies were asleep as some sharp customers used the late night hours to engage weary or less successful girls for less price.

I think this was a little redundant you already told us the comforters were regaining their strength which implies majority are sleeping. You could combine these two paragraphs easily.
As these girls usually operated to a set target, some customers used these wee hours to get relief at reduced prices. The difference between the peak times could reach to as much as four to ten times, as did the quality of service.

Again my biggest problem is that you don't make this personal. You could do this easily in so many ways. Character direct POV. Descriptions that are less generic. I really do like what you are trying to get across just the method of you doing so is making it weary going.


The mean-faced guard at the entrance was not averse to the tipping prevalent in daylight hours: a rare benefit of such duty. Once past its ornate door, with the ground floor activities closed, rugged and silent stairs led the visitor to the upper floors of this three-storey funhouse. Another demerit of daylight patronage: The unlit corridors were dark and dingy, masking the elaborate and erotic cravings and paintings on the walls. Each floor held about twenty ordinary comfort rooms and four superior ones, each having a semi-permanent resident, and containing a large room dominated by a large fluff-filled bed and a gauze-covered window.
Really beautiful description but I need it to be a little more personal still. Also I don't think I would consider it to appear dingy even in lackluster light.

In one large but ordinary comfort room, and under the climbing Sun, an amorous display was in place. One early visitor lay atop the occupant, doing his utmost to get his money's worth. Audible in the air was her endearments seasoned with obscenities, matched by his lustful groans.

Everytime you start a sentence "in one" etc I'm groaning literally over here. Why the desire to keep the fact that this is emburmak (which btw you called burmak in the previous excerpts you gave me) a secret especially since this scene goes into his POV. Go from description right to his POV, don't give us a description of his actions then goto his pov it doesn't flow well to do so. I'd rather you give us muttered obscenities and endearments then hear tell about them.


A month had passed since his enlightening experience and the Legion had still not left its deployment area. From all indications, the required orders had not arrived and Emburmak was awaiting the reinforcement of at least two squads to his troop. In addition, although training was the norm, in meantime, Emburmak indulged.

I assume that by mentioning "enlightening experience" a reader automatically knows what is in Emburmaks mind. If not by all means please feel free to delve more into his mind for me. I want a reason to justify his later actions more for me. So they are not seen as simply callous, but more complex. I know they are to a degree but I don't think you show that your character is aware they are. To skip ahead to further content.
Using the pretext of visiting Dalamis, he frequented the town, expanding his knowledge, until he stumbled on this high-class establishment.
I assume we are acquainted at this point with who or what Dalamis is? This might be a great point to do a small flashback and here how he met Derit personally in his explorations and a little about the town he was exploring. You could even expound upon Dalamis here.
On his first visit he ran into the beautiful Derit, the moaning woman beneath him, who then gave him such a wonderful time.

It already seems like you are leaning towards flashback and remembrance here anyways. Yes it will probably add to the length but I think it would be much more insightful and perhaps answer the reason why Em takes her for granted.
The contrast to the previous one was like a mountain and a gorge. There and then, he engaged her services, more than doubling the agreed fare in the process. Her face lit up even further, gladdening his heart.


This was easy!

While he was at it, he enlisted a course in the art of pleasure: He the student, she the tutor.

That was then this was now.

Not a very smooth transition from remembrance to the present. It is almost too simplified for the style you have been showing. Your descriptions alone tend toward the grandiose and elaborate. Then dialogue and interaction between characters seems very simple. I'd like to see some compromise between the two, so that they flow seemlessly together.



This was Emburmak's fifth visit since they had sealed their compact and he could now discern the merits or otherwise of her act. As he had belatedly realised, comfort workers were just that, workers. Majority of their performances were just work, so the cries, movements and clutches were all part of the act.

This was the third time he was taking her today,

Simple question here when you are engaged in pleasure is this how you think, because you arent describing it from his pov. It doesn't seem realistic.

and as it reached midday, it was becoming hot and humid. The first two times he had followed her previous teaching meticulously, bringing her to the crest twice, but the third time he was after his own enjoyment. Due to his exertions, he was perspiring, muscles and joints arching, so foreplay was the last thing on his mind. What was on his mind was not entirely lust either.

Again you are not using his POV here.
He felt the perspiration run down his neck and his muscles and joints arched fiercely. <---That is his POV.


It was a strange feeling that he was experiencing, a sort of hangover, for deep inside him, he knew that this was the last time he would grace her chamber. There would be no unburdening of his mind to her on this occasion, for it had emptied of the Amanda hurt. He had initially thought that relief was the lure but he had to concede, it was purely lust.

This is good insight into his mind, however it isn't worded quite right for me. It didn't feel strange HE did. Sorry rewording your phrases again: Hope you don't mind too much. I just don't know how else to word it to show you what I mean without giving a concrete example.

He felt strange, deep inside he had known this would be the last time he'd grace her chamber. No more would he unburden himself to her, she wasn't what he had truly wanted and the brief interlude had only been a respite to ease his heart of Amanda. He could see that clearly now, she wasn't what he needed and he'd used lust to try to rid himself of the past.


In closure I'm going to state I disagree with the dialogue. You make us sympathize with her by making us think she does have some real feeling and was expecting to be treated as more then a paramour. If you want us to relate to Em you need to show that greed motivates it instead of real feeling. You try to state that Em believes her to be going through the motions yet her dialogue and her behavior scream the exact opposite.

Or honestly we don't have to emphathize with Em but as others have pointed it out it would be nice to get something justifiable that though we may hate it we can correlate to. You did a nice job of him not realizing at first that he was using her build up on that and let him end it with a little more dignity and less confusion. It seemed he was well aware of what was going on finally too late, let him show some of that to her and give her a normal reaction of anger to being used, if she cares for him or have her callously tell him to cancel early is more gold and let us feel outrage against her and obvious greed. Many ways you could do it. Right now it is unsatisfying because there are conflicting ideals. You tell us one thing then illustrate another.
 
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