About Midnight Tides a question *spoiler*

[Daemon]

Hello, i just finished mt and i wantto ask you what do you think about the scene where crimson guard iron bars fight with 5 toblakai gods! how cant they kill him easily? 5 toblakai gods!!!! against one man?! he hold them a long time i think until silchas ruin come(with ublala holding one of them is also suspicious)... and he(silchas) killed 5 toblakai gods like a piece of cake, how can it be that easy? When i thougt fighting style and prowess of karsa orlong that come to me a little.. strange

 

[spiralx]

The Crimson Guard are quite seriously tough characters, and having a hundred years of experience doing nothing but fighting probably helps as well

 

[Jason_Taverner]

I assume being Avowed grants them certain strength, but Avowed hasn't been fully explained yet I not sure,

 

[baldur27]

also the redgaurd mage is confusing the toblakais minds so they keep missing him

 

[Jason_Taverner]

Also karsa orlong is very different to them

 

[Rane Longfox]

There are many factors to remember when considering this apparent mis-match. The Toblakai have been imprisoned in the Azath for tens of thousands of years, so they're more than a little dis-orientated. Corlo is using all of his considerable High Mockra talent to distract them, and Ublala is also helping Iron Bars. He is also considered second only to Skinner within the Crimson Guard too, and we have had hints that Skinner is almost on a level with Dassem Ultor/Rake/Greymane etc. Then consider how easily Iron Bars disposed of Rhulad after the Edur leader had cut his way almost single-handedly through most of the Lether army. He very nearly loses several times despite these factors, too...

As for Silchas... well, he was the Supreme Commander of the Andii forces when they came through into the Malazan realm so many years ago - and is superior to Rake, allegedly. He features prominantly in Reaper's Gale according to people who've got advanced copies, so we shouldn't have to wait too long to find out much more about him

 

[Koopa]

There are many factors to remember when considering this apparent mis-match. The Toblakai have been imprisoned in the Azath for tens of thousands of years, so they're more than a little dis-orientated. Corlo is using all of his considerable High Mockra talent to distract them, and Ublala is also helping Iron Bars. He is also considered second only to Skinner within the Crimson Guard too, and we have had hints that Skinner is almost on a level with Dassem Ultor/Rake/Greymane etc. Then consider how easily Iron Bars disposed of Rhulad after the Edur leader had cut his way almost single-handedly through most of the Lether army. He very nearly loses several times despite these factors, too...

As for Silchas... well, he was the Supreme Commander of the Andii forces when they came through into the Malazan realm so many years ago - and is superior to Rake, allegedly. He features prominantly in Reaper's Gale according to people who've got advanced copies, so we shouldn't have to wait too long to find out much more about him

Silchas drank deeper, thus making it so that he is more draconean, bigger perhaps shaped (in dragon form) that way, but i cant remember it being said that Silchas was a better swordsman, or that he is more powerful. ( I have not read whole of Bonehunters though (page 800 or so) and i skimmed through parts of Midnight Tides (thus i know the core, but have not read it entirely)

I am most interested in the sons of Mother dark, tough, more so in Anomander Rake and the eldest brother who went to clean the realm of Emuhrlahn with that woman.

 

[Rane Longfox]

Silchas drank deeper, thus making it so that he is more draconean, bigger perhaps shaped (in dragon form) that way, but i cant remember it being said that Silchas was a better swordsman, or that he is more powerful.

Theres nothing about them in Bonehunters It's mostly all in the prologue and ending of Midnight Tides. Plus Repaer's Gale... patience is a virtue

I am most interested in the sons of Mother dark, tough, more so in Anomander Rake and the eldest brother who went to clean the realm of Emuhrlahn with that woman.

Do you mean in the RG prologue, when Rake and Kilmandaros set off to do that? Andarist is the eldest son of the three, but the one we know the least about, tbh. He seems to be voluntarily overshadowed by Rake...

 

[Koopa]

K read Midnight Tides and Bonehunters now

I meant i wanted to read more about mostly Rake (he seems the most intrigiung from the three), then Silchas Ruin, and then the conflict between Rake and Osric.

Is Andarist not dead? protecting the Throne of Shadow?

Also in Midnight Tides, was it Cotillion who came and spoke with Nettle, about the Hold of the Death, and that everywhere else such a thing already existed?

 

[spiralx]

No, it was the Errant who came to see Nettle I think.

 

[Rane Longfox]

It was the Errant who visited Kettle. None of the modern pantheon exists in Lether, due to it's freezing preservation by Gothos - it still has Holds, after all, which the rest of the world has moved beyond into Houses.

And don't worry, we'll get the information about them that we need... eventually Erikson isn't one to worry about keeping his readers in suspense.

 

[Koopa]

I wonder how much power the Errant still gonna have, after they move on to the Deck of Dragons as well.

Perhaps there will be a clash between Ganoes paran and the Errant, i like the Errant more though, Ganoes whines and talk too much about thinking

 

[Rane Longfox]

Lol, well the synopsis for Reaper's Gale says that the Errant is weakening, so it's entirely possible that the holds are giving way to houses. He doesn't strike me as someone who will go out with a wimper though

 

[Rosemary]

I never did like the Toblakai in the first reading...still don't. I know it's fantasy but he just seemed too far overboard!
However, what I am not sure about is the time setting. Have I read it incorrectly, for it seems as if Midnight Tides is set hundreds of years after the previous books?

 

[Jason_Taverner]

no they asimilier time, I think the events in MT finish around the time the events in GOTM start,

 

[Rosemary]

Thank you Jason.

 

[Rane Longfox]

What he said. If you recall in Memories of Ice, when the Bridgeburners find that body in the river on their way to coral - that's the corpse of Theradas Buhn, who Bugg threw into his warren as revenge for attacking Tehol at the end of Midnight Tides.

 

[Rosemary]

Ah... now it seems a lot clearer, thank you Cal.

Not only that, I hadn't realised some of the characteristics of Bugg were so deep. When I read it the first time, it just seemed as if Bug was a rather funny servant, Tehol funny but also very clever. Now I see that Bug is just as clever and cunning as his master!