RAH Reading Group - Puppet Masters

RAH was generally opposed to rereleasing revised works after initial publication...but he was also furious with his editors and their insistence to change or edit his work even as he made the required changes.
Didn't realise that, TT - I knew he had a lot of issues with [SIZE=-1]Alice Dalgliesh and the juveniles, chronicled in GFTG, but not with the "adult" books.
Or was PM edited by Dalgliesh - thinking about it, the "eat it or I'll rub it in your hair" quote mentioned in Grumbles is from PM, isn't it?
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Just found this on the web...this isn't where I read it originally (reading this I bet it was Grumbles) but it repeats pretty much the same information...




The Puppet Masters
The next novel, one I believe was a potential early bestseller, The Puppet Masters (1951), was broken and crippled as a published book. Heinlein's manuscript is 100,000 words. Doubleday's edition as published, stripped down by Heinlein to editorial demand, is 75,000 words. Although I always liked The Puppet Masters, it was not one of my top favorites because it read jerkily. Even repeated re-readings into my adulthood teased with aspects I did not understand, yet I couldn't see just what was wrong with the story. It wasn't until I read the much longer version that it all came together. Heinlein's complete version is far more coherent as well as having more vivid and realistic details, and overall is a vastly better novel.
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I take the word counts here and below from James Gifford's "The New Heinlein Opus List", which is an appendix to his book Robert A. Heinlein: A Reader's Companion, and also available online. Heinlein discusses editorial changes via colorful letters to his agent Lurton Blasingame, collected in his posthumous Grumbles from the Grave.
In a related misfortune, The Puppet Masters first was serialized in Galaxy magazine, promoted as complete and book-length though abridged even further down to 60,000 words, and additionally subjected to H.L. Gold's typically heavy-handed editing.
The Puppet Masters a potential bestseller? Here's how it might have happened. Around 1950 was the height of the flying-saucer craze in America. Amazing Stories and some other magazines and newspapers were pushing flying saucers for all the market would bear. Most science-fiction fans and writers were dubious at best about saucer claims.
But if you wanted to read a novel about flying saucers done right, could it be done? Who would you turn to? What writer of stature and capability would dare to try?
Already in mid-1941, Heinlein was generally acclaimed the top science-fiction writer by the time of his Guest of Honor appearance at the World Science Fiction Convention in Denver (the Denvention). By 1950, after breaking into both the slick magazines and the juvenile-novel markets, Heinlein was ready and able for another major challenge. He wanted to write a solid and fully adult science fiction novel, and for theme he tackled the flying-saucer scare head on. The result is The Puppet Masters. Even abridged and watered-down, it's a powerful novel of alien invasion and mental control, full of naturalistic detail.
But major publishers were only cautiously dipping their toes into the uncertain space of science fiction. Doubleday's abridged version was published and promoted as part of their new science-fiction line, a standard science-fiction novel without fanfare. No big deal. Since it was by Heinlein after all, reprintings followed, but all labelled and confined within the safe and narrow science-fiction box as it was then perceived.
In some alternate timeline, I envision The Puppet Masters becoming a major bestseller in 1951, greatly boosting science fiction's awareness and acceptance by the general public. This is fifteen years before Stranger in a Strange Land boosted that process in the mid-1960s, and well before the first Star Wars film in 1977 began a major science-fiction boom. But that didn't happen here, not in our timeline. — By the way, I mention an even earlier missed chance for Skylark and Lensman author Edward E. Smith in my review of David Kyle's The Illustrated Book of Science Fiction Ideas & Dreams.
The abridged Doubleday edition of The Puppet Masters appeared in 1951 with a sad book-jacket cover that could not entice anyone who didn't know Heinlein's name already. Galaxy ran a much nicer cover painting, but textually missed the boat by an even wider margin. There's a stolen concept here, the editors valuing the Heinlein byline to appeal to their readers, but contemptuously slighting the Heinlein story itself.
The unabridged novel appeared in 1990 as a Del Rey paperback: look on the cover for a mention that it's the uncut novel, or check the copyright page for the revised printing count beginning in 1990. Read Heinlein's complete version.
 
Now you've really upset me! - book-hunting tomorrow!:D
 
Now you've really upset me! - book-hunting tomorrow!:D
Sorry bud...but it really is worth having the restored in your library at some point. Way better...again, not necessary for going ahead with discussion, but worth reading at some point.
 
Oh, I know, I know, TT - but I'm just wondering how many of my RAH's I'm going to have to replace!:(
 
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Oh, I know, I know, TT - but I'm just wondering how many of my RAH's I'm goint to have to replace!:(
I don't think he was satisfied with anything until after Strangers...society had changed so much by then, and his influence was WAY bigger after that, he could pretty much do whatever he wanted. I doubt we will see many more restored with Ginny gone now, although his original manuscripts and research sketches and everything are in the Heinlein archives down in California...you just never know. My understanding is that the archivists were completist with Heinlein, every pencil scratch is in there.
 
I don't think he was satisfied with anything until after Strangers...society had changed so much by then, and his influence was WAY bigger after that, he could pretty much do whatever he wanted. I doubt we will see many more restored with Ginny gone now, although his original manuscripts and research sketches and everything are in the Heinlein archives down in California...you just never know. My understanding is that the archivists were completist with Heinlein, every pencil scratch is in there.

I know there are going to be some rather substantial restorations or reworkings of a couple of novels in the Virginia Edition by Meisha Merlin, although I couldn't tell you offhand which books will receive significant changes. I *think* Steve Pagel told me that Number of the Beast was one that had significant parts left out and he felt they could do a lot with it when they put it out, but I believe that's one of the last novels they're doing just due to the sheer amount of work it'll be.

I'll start reading the volumes I already have, and try to compare them to the mass market paperbacks I've also got, and see what I can find.
 
I *think* Steve Pagel told me that Number of the Beast was one that had significant parts left out and he felt they could do a lot with it when they put it out, but I believe that's one of the last novels they're doing just due to the sheer amount of work it'll be.
That I would love to see...NotB really bugged me...it felt like he got going and then wimped out, and didn't see things through. Would love to see what his original intent was.
 
That I would love to see...NotB really bugged me...it felt like he got going and then wimped out, and didn't see things through. Would love to see what his original intent was.

You and me both ... but one of these days we're going to have to have a "Why I dislike Lazarus Long" thread.

I did enjoy NotB -- until Mr Long showed up.

:( The clubhouse doesn't have the uncut TPM :( So I may go out a'hunting books

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... but one of these days we're going to have to have a "Why I dislike Lazarus Long" thread.
I'd be up for that as well, though I haven't read enough books with L.L to add much. But I would be awfully interested in what the rest of you have to say about him.
 
My library doesn't have Puppet Masters, so I still don't have a copy. I plan to stop at a few used book stores on my way home from work today to look for it.
 
on a tangent to TPM, there was a sci fi series a few years ago (had a bit about Roswell and Majestic12) but the bit that caught my attention was the way that the aliens took over humans by attaching themselves to the central nervous system of the victim in a very similar way to TPM rather than the copy and replace method used in Bodysnatchers.

and thanks to all the info on which versions were edited, I now have to find an unedited version as although I liked PM, I found it incomplete and slightly frustrating to read, which isn't suprising as it appears that a quarter of it is missing
 
on a tangent to TPM, there was a sci fi series a few years ago (had a bit about Roswell and Majestic12) but the bit that caught my attention was the way that the aliens took over humans by attaching themselves to the central nervous system of the victim in a very similar way to TPM rather than the copy and replace method used in Bodysnatchers.
Not SF at all, Urlik - You know that they've already got Bush, don't you?
 

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Just got a copy of Puppet Masters- and it's the unedited version!
 
First of all...here is a fun little quiz regarding Puppet Masters if anyone is interested.

Robert A. Heinlein's "The Puppet Masters" - Heinlein, Robert A. Quiz

Next...even though not everyone has checked in as finished reading and ready to go...what do you guys think of getting started and letting the stragglers join as they finish? I have to admit, I've been finished for a while and am getting itchy!

If so, do we want to start another clean thread or just keep going here?
 
Thanks for posting the quiz! That was fun. I got 9 right...(results below)

You scored: 9 / 10
Total points: 90


The only answer I got wrong was the city that Sam infected. OOps...my attention to detail skill must be slipping. *Hee*

Re: should we start the discussion...I'm game if others are! Might as well stay with this thread.
 

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