FitzChivalry Farseer's real name...

[Jaqen]

...is Keppet, apparently! Am I reading it wrong? Picked this up on my second time reading the book. Seems easy to miss. Page 742 of Fool's Fate.

 

[sassy1]

i had a look at page 742 of Fool's Fate, but i couldnt see anything about Keppet on that page, i must have a different edition to you... page 742 in mine is the last page in chapter 34...

 

[rubixcubix]

Yes Keppet was who he was to his mother's side

*Spoiler*
In Buckkeep town as well(first book), when there is a slight scene; a blanket trader woman (presumably Fitz's mother) recognises him and says "Keppet" and is restrained by Buck folk and I think Fitz's grandmother.. Sorry cbb getting book but I know Fitz dismisses it.
When he restores his feelings he remembers that was his name and that he burried these memories - although I don't think its mentioned how he managed to do it - a child of six being able to completely block out the first 6 years of his life? Is there more to it that I missed?

 

[rubixcubix]

Yeah, Keppet is how Fitz was known to his mother's family

*S P O I L E R*
In Buckkeep town ( first book ) there is a slight scene when a blanket trader woman( presumably Fitz's mother ) recognises Fitz and starts saying "Keppet" but then is restrained by Buck folk and Fitz's grandmother - I think, not sure how accurate my recollection is. Fitz dismisses it however.
But yes when Fitz restores his feelings, he remembers he was Keppet and of Mountain Kingdom heritage but that he severed his memories - though this is not really explained - how could a child manage to block out the first 6 years of their life, unless I'm missing something?

 

[Kitera]

Yeah it's Keppet, I remember reading, I think it was in the first Assassin's book. Fitz's mother was calling his name, or am I dreaming? Yeah thats right, thanks for finding it Rubix.

 

[Jaqen]

Yeah, Keppet is how Fitz was known to his mother's family

*S P O I L E R*
In Buckkeep town ( first book ) there is a slight scene when a blanket trader woman( presumably Fitz's mother ) recognises Fitz and starts saying "Keppet" but then is restrained by Buck folk and Fitz's grandmother - I think, not sure how accurate my recollection is. Fitz dismisses it however.
But yes when Fitz restores his feelings, he remembers he was Keppet and of Mountain Kingdom heritage but that he severed his memories - though this is not really explained - how could a child manage to block out the first 6 years of their life, unless I'm missing something?

Hey what chapter is this in? I don't think I remember ever reading this and I've read it a few times.

 

[sassy1]

i'm gonna have to reread the books to find out more about this.. at leat that'll be my excuse, i've just got a hankering to reread them that i cant get rid of

 

[Teir]

how could a child manage to block out the first 6 years of their life, unless I'm missing something?

Fitz seems to have blocked out the memories of his earlier years because the experience of being seemingly abandoned by his mother was too painful...at least thast how I read it

 

[spartan_pwns]

I really wish my page 742 was the same as yours. I cant for the life of me remember reading that!

i'm gonna have to reread the books to find out more about this.. at leat that'll be my excuse, i've just got a hankering to reread them that i cant get rid of

ohh well, looks like I'm in the same boat as you sassy!
yay!

 

[tawnylyra]

Recently I decided I wanted to reread all the Fitz books for the umpteenth time, and went through the first two of the Farseer Trilogy (I can’t find my copy of the first book) and am now onto The Tawny Man Trilogy. Just yesterday I finished “Golden Fool” and today started “Fool’s Fate”, and literally just an hour ago read a section that mentioned “Keppet.”

Short recap; Fitz in the ship going to the Out Islands and Thick is seasick and his bad dreams are making all the other individuals on the ship sick as well. Nettle is helping Fitz sooth Thick by reforming a more calming dream for him.

Chapter 6
“Voyage of Dreams”
Page 100
Second to last paragraph directly quoted:

“And she wrested my dream from me. It was rather like having someone snatch away your blankets. But most jarring for me was that it evoked a memory I both did and did not recognize: another time and an older woman, prying something fascinating and shiny from my chubby-fisted grasp, while saying, "No, Keppet. Not for little boys."”

I don’t know what’s on page 742 because my edition doesn’t even have 700 pages, my book only has 631 pages, and was published by Bantam Books. It’s an American edition, hardback.

I would go and look this up but I don’t know where my copy of “Assassin’s Apprentice” is but I do remember another reference to “Keppet” in that book as well. Something about an older women in a market starts yelling at him “Keppet! Keppet!” but he doesn’t talk to her, just keeps walking, or she goes away or something happens and he never talks to her.


I haven’t read that book in a while but I’m pretty sure it’s not in “Royal Assassin” or “Assassin’s Quest” seeing as I just read them within the last two weeks. If/when I ever find "Assassin's Apprentice" I’ll look up that quote and see if I can find it. I’m sure he’s called Keppet someplace else.

Anyways. I’ve never posted in this forum, I was just taking a break from reading, decided to look up some Robin Hobb stuff and ended up on here and when I saw this thread I was like hey, now there’s a quote I can easily find since I just saw it.

Well, hope that helps. I am interested to know what the other Keppet reference was, the one that’s on page 742 of “Fool’s Fate”, anyone have a more specific location in the book? Like the chapter? Since like I said, I don’t have a page 742.

Also I think Fitz blocked the first 6 years of his life after he was turned over to his father and then Burrich, since he felt like that meant his mother abandoned him. They sort of mention that a couple of times, Chade says something to him about not being able to trust ever since his mother left him and didn't Kettle, at the end of "Assassin's Quest" flat out tell Fitz that he did remember his mother he just refused to forgive her?

 

[Jaqen]

Okay I'll try to be more specific for you. It's in chapter 30, "Whole". And not counting the intro (the letter from the queen to Molly), it's the 65th paragraph in! Whew! And yeah I counted a paragraph where ever the dialogue changes even when it's only one line. May have missed a few but that should allow you to find it.

Now, I want to know where exactly the one is where someone is yelling after Keppet. I found the one from chapter 6, Voyage of Dreams.

 

[tawnylyra]

It's funny you just posted this (well, within the last day or so) because a couple hours ago I finished Fool's Fate and found the quote you first mentioned! I remembered this thread and made a note of it and came on here and saw this thread back at the top.

You’re right, its Chapter 30, “Whole” and in my US hardback edition its on Page 513, top of the page. Thank's for counting all those paragraphs though, that must have taken forever! It’s a paragraph describing memories he does have of his mother that he’s refused to remember (or been unable to recall because he gave them to Girl-On-A-Dragon). I can’t believe our editions are that many pages different though, 513 compared to 742! That’s a hefty book you have there Is it just a hardback copy or a library binding version or what? I'm interested to know why it's so much bigger. Even one font size bigger could do that though.


And, well, it took a while, but I located that other Keppet reference (someone calling to him in a market, that rubixcubix mentioned). When I couldn't find my original copy Assassin's Apprentice, I realized I did have another one, a hardback UK copy that I bought on eBay last year. I really wanted a hardback copy of AA and it never came out in hardback here in the US so I turned to overseas! They have all the books in hardback over there.

Anyway, here it is from this edition (I have no idea if being from the UK or USA makes the pages or locations of these quotes any different but I try to include as much info as possible in case it does).

Assassin's Apprentice
Page 95
Chapter 6
“Chivalry’s Shadow”
Top three paragraphs.
Published by Harper Collins in 1995 in Great Britain

He’s shopping in town for Fedwren, the scribe.

“But find them I did, alongside baskets of porcupine quills and carved wooden beads and nutcones and pounded bark fabric. The women who presided over the blanket was old, and her hair had gone silver rather than white or grey. She had a strong, straight nose and her eyes were on bony shelves over her cheeks. It was a racial heritage both strange and oddly familiar to me, and a shiver walked down my back when I suddenly knew she was from the mountains.

‘Keppet,’ said the woman at the next mat as I completed my purchase. I glanced at her, thinking she was addressing the woman I had just paid. But she was staring at me. ‘Keppet,’ she said, quite insistently, and I wondered what it meant in her language. It seemed a request for something, but the older woman only stared coldly out into the street, so I shrugged at her younger neighbor apologetically and turned away as I stowed the nuts in my basket.

I hadn’t gone more than a dozen steps when I heard her shriek, ‘Keppet!’ yet again. I looked back to see the two women engaged in a struggle. The older one gripped the younger one’s wrists and the younger one thrashed and kicked to be free of her. Around her, other merchants were getting to their feet in alarm and snatching their own merchandise out of harm’s way. I might have turned back to watch had not another more familiar face met my eyes.”

Then he runs into Molly (“Nosebleed”) and that’s the end of that. So I’m going to assume that was his mother and his grandmother. It sure puts into perspective how strongly he felt his mother had abandoned him since he didn’t even recognize her or remember the name he’d gone by for the first 5-6 years of his life. But that can happen, with extreme trauma, which Fitz seems to be prone to.

Anyways. Sorry again for the long post, I just thought I’d type up the whole quote for anyone else who may not have a copy of AA readily available.

So far we’ve gathered three references to Keppet now. One in Assassin’s Apprentice (Chapter 6 “Chivalry’s Shadow”), and two in Fool’s Fate (Chapter 6, “Voyage of Dreams” and Chapter 30, “Whole”).

Can anyone remember any others?

 

[sassy1]

i found the part in Fool's Fate, its on page 656 in my edition (paperback, published by Voyager, apparently). i'll write it here for others, so they dont have to count 65 paragraphs

*uber-spoiler*

its where the fool is giving fitzy his memories back from Girl-On-A-Dragon

"She kissed him deeply. I had to witness the passion of what she shared with him. Yet it did not seem like gratitude, and as she prolonged the kiss, I think the Fool would have broken away if he could. He stiffened, and the muscles of his neck stood out. He never embraced her, but his hands went from wide open and forbidding to clenched fists clutched against his chest. And still she kissed him, and I feared to see him either melt into her or turn to stone in her embrace. I feared what he gave and feared more what she took from him. Had he not heard a word of what i had said to him? Why hadn't he heeded my warning?
And then, as suddenly as she had stirred to life, she released him. As if he no longer mattered, she turned away from him and once more stretched her face up to the sunlight. It seemed to me that she sighed once, deeply, and then closed her eyes. Stillness crept over her. The gleaming Rooster Crown had become a part of Girl on a Dragon.
But the Fool, released from that unwelcome intimacy, was limp and falling. In a near swoon, he toppled from the dragon's back, and I was barely able to catch him and keep him from tearing loose all his newly-healed hurts. Even so, he cried out as I closed my arms around him. I could feel him shuddering, like a man in an ague. He turned to me, his eyes blind, and cried out piteously. 'It is too much. You are too human, Fitz. I am not made for such as this. Take it from me, take it, or I shal die of it.'
'Take what?' I demanded.
Breathlessly, he replied, 'Your pain. Your life.'
I stood frozen and uncomprehending as he lifted his mouth to mine.
I think he tried to be gentle. Nonetheless, it was more like a serpent's strike than a tender kiss as his mouth fastened to mine and the venom of pain flowed. I think that if there had not been his love mixed with the anguish he gave back to me, I would have died of it, human or not. It was a searing, scalding kiss, a flow of memories, and once they began, I could not deny them. No man, in the fullness of his years, should have to experience afresh all the passion that a youngster is capable of enbracing. Our hearts grow brittle as we age. Mine near shattered in that onslaught.
It was a storm of emotion. I had not forgotten my mother. Never forgotten, I had banished her to a part of my heart and refused to open the door to it, but she was there, her long gold hair smelling of marigolds. And I remembered my grandmother, also of Mountain stock, but my grandfather had been no more than a common guardsman, posted too long at Moonseye and taking on the Mountain ways. All that I knew in a flash, and recalled how my mother had summoned me in from the pastures where, even at five, i had a share of the shepherding. 'Keppet, Keppet!' her clear voice wouldring out, and I would run to her, barefoot over wet grass.
And Molly... how had I ever banished the smell and taste of her, honey and herbs, and the way her laugh rang like charms when I had chased down the beach after her, her red skirts whipping wildly around her bare calves as she ran, or the feel of her hair in my hands, the heavy strands of it tangling and snagging on the rough skin of my palms? Her eyes were dark, but they'd held the light of the candles when I'd looked down on them below me as I made love to her in her servant's room in the upper reaches of Buckkeep Castle. I had thought that light seen there would always belong only to me.
And Burrich. He'd been father to me in every way he could, and friend to me when I'd been tall enough to stand at his side. A part of me understood how he had fallen in love with Molly when he'd thought I was dead, but a part of me was outraged and hurt beyond common sense or rationality that he could have taken to wife the mother of my daughter. In ignorance and passion, he had stolen from me both woman and child.
Blow after blow rained on me. i was pounded iron on an anvil of memory. I languished again in Regal's dungeons. I smelled the rotting straw on the floor and felt the cold stone against my smashed mouth and pulped cheek as I lay there, trying to die so he could not hurt me any more. It was a sharp echo of the beating Galen had given me years before, on the stone tower top we had called the Queen's Garden. He had assaulted me physically and with the Skill, and to finish the task, he had crippled my magic, putting it firmly in my mind that I had no ability and would do better to kill myself than to live on in shame of my family. He had given me, forever, the memory of teetering on the brink of taking my own life.
It was new, it all happened to me afresh, flaying my soul and leaving me bared to a salty wind.
I came back to summer and the sun's slackening strength. The shadows were darker under the trees. I sprawled on the forest humus, my face hidden in my hands, beyond tears. The Fool sat next to me in the leaves and grass, patting my back as if I were an infant and singing some gentle, silly song in his old tongue. Slowly it caught my attention and my shuddering breaths calmed. When at last I was still, he spoke to me quietly. 'It's all right now, Fitz. You're whole again. This time, when we go back, you'll go all the way back to your old life. All of it.'


Yea sorry I got carried away typing, but that one teeny bit didnt make much sense on its own, and it sounds soooooo much better with the rest of it... man, Robin Hobb really is an awesome writer

I havent thought of any other yet though, will let you know if I see any

 

[Patchface Killa]

I had always thought that he put those memories into Girl-On-A-Dragon in the first series the way Verity slowly emptied himself into his dragon. That's why Fitz was content to live in that cabin for so long instead of going after Molly - "take away the pain" of those memories, just like looking at his father's portrait in Buckkeep as a child. At the end he gets it all back thanks to The Fool.

 

[Koopa]

It seems to me Fitz was succesful in blocking all his memories prior to the age of six cause of the skill.

Also Fitz was named keppet by his mother, Verity (i think) ensured that he was 'registered/acknowledged' as FitzChivalry. To me though neither are his real name. Apparently, their is such a thing as a name day in the farseer universe. Fitz, not expecting to undergo the ritual, did undergo it. In it he received the name of Changer if i recall correctly. To me that was ever his real name. Prove being that most farseer live up to their names. Fitz most prominent feature is that he is the catalyst. To me he is in truth called Changer Farseer.

 

[PeterMavin]

I never thought about his name being Changer Farseer but it makes perfect sense, plus doesn't nighteyes call him changer?