Overview of his Song of Fire and Ice series?

Orion

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Hi, I'm pretty new to reading fantasy books. I've read book 1 and 2 of LOTR and am on book 3. I've also read Terry Prattchet's 'Guards! Guards!'.

My question is will I like this series being i'm into the LOTR type fantasy? Is this series anything like it? Better? Worse?

Also if somebody could give me a good, spoil-free, overview of the series so I can get an idea what this series is about that would be awesome. :D

Thanks in advance,
Orion
 
Well, it's closer to Tolkien than to Pratchett, that's for sure :) Although GRRM has a better sense of humour than Tolkien and there are a few laughs in there. Mostly, it's quite a serious series.

It's a bit different to Tolkien in that it's more closely based on Medieval history, particularly the Wars of the Roses. There are fantasy elements - magic, unusual creatures and races etc - but these are almost non-existent at the start of the series and only slowly emerge. There is heraldry and feasting and tourneys and battles and duels. The books are more adult than Tolkien. There is sex, there is violence (though never gratuitous, at least IMO). Major characters die. Not everything is laid out on a plate. A couple of storylines you have to think about before things become clear.

The books are based closely around the pursuit of power, who has it, who wants it, who doesn't want it but is suddenly given it, and what they do with that power when they have it. This theme is explored in-depth in the books.

There are some of the more colourful and interesting characters in all of fantasy, whose machinations and motivations are fascinating but not always obvious.

Is Martin better than Tolkien? Certainly he has more realistic and more interesting characters, and his books are much greyer. Good and Evil are harder to define as these aren't fairy tale characters. They're people, with all the flaws of real people. It's hard sometimes to know what 'side' you're supposed to be rooting for, and the true enemy in the books is elusive and rarely seen, at least to date. Martin isn't as good as Tolkien at languages or in mythology-building, but he's better at the more immediate history that precedes the series, a history that is only revealed slowly as the books continue their forwards-moving storyline.

In short, yes, it's fantastic and certainly the crowning achievement in Epic Fantasy since Lord of the Rings itself. I recommend it :D
 
Sweet, it sounds good and I'll most likely get the first book soon. I first intend to finish the last LOTR book and Tolkien's "new" one called 'The Children of Hurin'.
 
Excellent summary! :) I'd also add that LOTR is much more quest based, whereas ASOIAF is not based around a journey, or an object, or a definitive end goal (get rid of the Dark Lord.) It's a snapshot of a period of political upheaval across several continents, and follows the major players in that upheaval. It features magic, dragons and zombies, and more sub-plots than you can shake a stick at. By comparison, LOTR is much more linear.

I personally much prefer Martin's series. It's probably my favourite fantasy series ever, and I've read quite a few of the well-known ones.
 
Werthead's summary is unimprovable (in fact, I'm not yet convinced that Wert isn't actually GRRM in disguise, except that if he is, then I'm not sure who Raven could be...) but I would add two small caveats.

One, A Game Of Thrones (the first volume of ASoIaF) is as long as all three volumes of Lord Of The Rings put together, so you may feel you need to work on your reading stamina before embarking on it.

Two, it's not finished yet. Some people (like me) enjoy the delicious sense of anticipation this creates. Others find it more stressful. At this time, no-one seems quite sure how long it will be before the series is complete, so make sure you're ready for a long wait.

In the meantime, I would reccomend Guy Gavriel Kay's early Fionavar tapestry trilogy, or if you fancy something longer, Tad Williams Memory, Sorrow and Thorn. They're both authors that GRRM himself admires, so they would help give you taste of what awaits you.

I envy anybody reading ASoIaF for the first time...
 
Just finished listening to both series on audiobook. I've read both several times and I enjoy Martin's work much more than Tolkein at this point.

edit: I tried to start a new thread, but it's waiting for moderator approval. Anyway, I found what could be a publish date for ADWD - April 2008. Search Amazon UK. I'm not sure if this is old news or not.
 
What? Why has no one said the following....

This is the greatest. series. Ever. If you disagree I will literally eat you alive. Seriously, I wont even use ketchup....but maybe a nice horseradish sauce. So dont disagree.....Consider yourself warned.

So go now, buy all the books, call your parents tell them not to call, tell your wife (or husband or partner or pet) to be patient, tell your children not to grow up, and lock yourself into a room with a comfy chair (I recommend taking enough water and snackcakes with you to last a week) and dont come out till youre done. Oh and hopefully you have a bathroom nearby your locked room, but your mileage may vary on that one. Come back in a week and thank me.....seriously....why are you still reading this?

Matt-You can forget anything Amazon tells you about this series. As has been proven with other books, they want a date and the publisher pulls one out of the air and hands it to them. The author most likely doesnt care or doesnt know....and really I dont blame em. You cant really put a timeline on the creative process.

I second the Tad Williams recommendation, only the Memory Sorrow Thorn one....was really into that Otherland series, and dont know Kay....but let me pimp the novel Shogun for a slightly more current depiction of the movement of power on a national scale....

Now I shall wait for Boaz.
 
Matt-You can forget anything Amazon tells you about this series. As has been proven with other books, they want a date and the publisher pulls one out of the air and hands it to them. The author most likely doesnt care or doesnt know....and really I dont blame em. You cant really put a timeline on the creative process.

/shrug. Thought it was interesting it listed the date of publishing, the length of the book, and available for pre-order. It also does not show up on US Amazon. I haven't been around here in a long time, so I know the regulars here will know better. Just throwing it out there. Here's the info.

Paperback: 704 pages
Publisher: Voyager (7 April 2008)
Language English
ISBN-10: 0002247399
ISBN-13: 978-0002247399
 
I've read Tad Williams, all GGK's books, and ASoIaF. All great Fantasy books/series. I personally put Fionavar above the rest, but I really did love them all. I might have found GRRM's stuff a bit depressing in that almost every character you care about seems to die, but it doesn't really deter me, :).
Good luck, enjoy. I wish I could go back and have all these amazing books waiting unread, lol.
Lena.
 
Aegon - I disagree. Bring it.

Well you understand that was a literal threat, not a figurative one. Therefore Im going to be forced to ask you a personal favor, I know you dont know me but Im not a wierdo or anything so you can trust me.....so could you just PM me a time and place to meet you? Ill provide my own horseradish sauce, but assuming you're in a different country I doubt Ill be able to get utensils through security....so could you provide those? I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

Matt- That may have sounded a tad harsher than I intended, so I apologize for that bit. If you go the official George Martin website (imaginatively labelled Georgerrmartin.com) you'll see that he doesnt even know when he'll be done. Amazon has tricked me before with dates so I take them with a grain of salt.

And welcome to the forums....you're not allowed to be called an idiot til your 18th post....so enjoy this time and come up with silly points of contention
 
Werthead's summary is unimprovable (in fact, I'm not yet convinced that Wert isn't actually GRRM in disguise, except that if he is, then I'm not sure who Raven could be...) but I would add two small caveats.

We're both mods and members of the Official ASoIaF Forum. If you think we know a lot, you should meet Daj (who can instantaneously tell you the motto of the most obscure house in Westeros from memory) or Ran (who's so on the ball he's co-writing the World Book with GRRM).
 
but Im not a wierdo or anything so you can trust me.....

but assuming you're in a different country I doubt Ill be able to get utensils through security....

.you're not allowed to be called an idiot til your 18th post....so enjoy this time and come up with silly points of contention

First, HA! is all I say to that claim!

Second, GRRM would love this quote from you Aegon considering some of his postings on his blog.

Third, we got past that long ago didn't we my old friend...:p
 
Now I shall wait for Boaz.
My apologies for the wait, my friend.

Orion, Shogun is a running joke between Aegon and myself. But seriously, Shogun was the epic, fantastic, semi-historical, grand political struggle that I'd been waiting for all my life... that is until I picked up ASOIAF.

Also, welcome to the forums!

Now let everyone be warned not to cross Aegon. I've heard rumors that he double majored in the Culinary Arts and Cannibalism. If you thought the Freys, Craster, and Biter threw terrible dinner parties we-he-he-he-ell they have nothing on Aegon. So even though I privately think that The Lord of the Rings and The Chronicles of Narnia are the two greatest fantasy series ever, I'd never admit that to his Unworthiness.

If neither Wert nor Raven is actually GRRM, then which one of you is the mask he hides behind? Sometimes I really think he lurks on the fan sites... and other times I think, "Wait a sec, he must have better things to do than lurk. I mean, who doesn't have a life, him or me? Him. Me. Him. Me."

Edit: I forgot to give my overview. <Ahem!> The bad guys are winning. I mean the good guys! Wait, I mean the guys I like. Well, I didn't used to like them because they used to be the bad guys. But now I have a different persective from the constant switching of points of view, so I don't who the good guys are anymore. Actually the guys I like aren't really winning, but at least they're still alive. One of them is no longer winning or losing and the other one is on the run. I always like the good guys. I've written and spoken about the Christology of LOTR and the Judeo-Christian Theology of The Silmarillion. But now I confess that GRRM has me empathizing at deep levels with a lying, incestuous murderer and murdering, duplicitous liar... they're brothers.
 
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Two, it's not finished yet. Some people (like me) enjoy the delicious sense of anticipation this creates. Others find it more stressful. At this time, no-one seems quite sure how long it will be before the series is complete, so make sure you're ready for a long wait. quote]


Like me. I am going BONKERS waiting for the next volume. I tell you, if GRRM dies before finishing this, I'll bloody KILL him! :rolleyes:
 
Actually, I'm worried that I'LL die before he finishes it. Really, it would be such a nuisance. And, more likely than not, it will be my dying thought... "Now I'll never find out the end. Just like me, I can't even die like normal people, worrying about my loved ones..Nooo, I have to wonder weather GRRM will have Jaime killed."
 
(in fact, I'm not yet convinced that Wert isn't actually GRRM in disguise, except that if he is, then I'm not sure who Raven could be...)

I'll have you know I'm a lot younger than GRRM. And a lot better looking too. ;)

I am however older than Wert.










And a lot better looking too. ;)

Actually, I'm worried that I'LL die before he finishes it. Really, it would be such a nuisance. And, more likely than not, it will be my dying thought... "Now I'll never find out the end. Just like me, I can't even die like normal people, worrying about my loved ones..Nooo, I have to wonder weather GRRM will have Jaime killed."

Heck, when you think about it most people will die halfway through one book or other and never know how it ends.

And with that cheery thought... :p
 
I am however older than Wert.

And a lot better looking too.

Only because of that deal you did with that guy that time who gave you that painting that sits in the attic that gets older instead of you. Damn you! ;)

Actually, if there's one great thing about ASoIaF that stands above most of the others, it's the fans. Seriously, you'll never find a better bunch of lads and lasses willing to have a grand time, get ridiculously drunk and go and watch Snakes on a Plane with in an appropriately ironic fashion. It's also a surprisingly effective dating network, as I think myself and Raven can attest ;)
 
It's also a surprisingly effective dating network, as I think myself and Raven can attest ;)

Errr....am I drawing the right conclusion from this? You do know what that sounds like, don't you?

Still, at least that would prove that neither of you are GRRM. Now I need to develop my theory that Aegon and Boaz are the same person...
 

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