Lost: Season Four

[Steve Jordan]

I'm guessing Kate did lie to Sawyer, and that is her baby. Claire is doubtless somewhere else, with her baby, living happily.

But then, we still don't know she gets home... just that Desmond's vision saw her leave the island in the 'copter. Until I see her, I'm not totally sold on the fact that she made it home, yet.

Also, timelines are a little weird as Kate's flashforward seems to be some time before Jack has his breakdown, while Hurley's is right about the time he is having it.

Yeah... and if Kate was just convicted of her crimes, something (or someone) must have gotten her an awfully quick probation to be able to get out and see Jack...

Why would Miles ask for the exact sum of $3.2 million for his silence?

I'm sure we'll learn the significance of that sum soon enough. Rest assured that it must be for something very specific.

 

[Steve Jordan]

....mmmOkay.

In the past, we've had an airliner that some strange anomaly caused to crashland waaay off-course. And we were okay with that.

We've had a hatch, and a mysterious computer that had to be reset, or trigger some kind of electro-magnetic armageddon. And we were okay with that.

We've had living black smoke that either inspires or kills you. And we were confused, but somehow okay with that.

And we've had premonitions, secret societies with hidden agendas, a sailing ship in a jungle... and we were okay with all that.

Everyone here okay with Time Travel?

Yes, after a years-long flirtation with science fiction, Lost has finally jumped into SF-land with both feet, and left deep, muddy bootprints in the foyer.

Other episodic item of note:

The auction Desmond visited featured the journal of the Black Rock, the ship stuck on the island, and the auctioneer stated that the only person who's seen the inside of the book was its owner, Alvar Hanso... founder of the Hanso Foundation, the people that Ben's insurrection destroyed. Penelope's father bought the book. Has he been involved with what's going on with the island? Did he know what was going to happen to Desmond?

 

[TK-421]

There is a theory that the island exists in a different time or dimension if you will. I did find the auction very interesting. Penny's father is certainly more involved than let on and would have the means to finance the search for the island lead by Abaddon's team.

I did not see Minkowski the way they portrayed him but why would he help Desmond and Sayid? The same goes for Frank.

Did we not see the doctor somewhere else?

As for time travel, I loved it and this means that Daniel has known about the island for 8 years and has been trying to get there all this time.

Another thing that has been bothering me is when Frank called the hotline set up by the airline and US transportation safety board for victims families to tell them the footage of the pilot was not the pilot could mean the government is potentially involved if it is faked.

 

[Teresa Edgerton]

I'm guessing Kate did lie to Sawyer, and that is her baby. Claire is doubtless somewhere else, with her baby, living happily.

Then you think the fact that Kate named her baby Aaron is a red herring? I'd be very annoyed with the writers and producers if that was true. They play enough mind games with us without stooping to those tactics.

On the other hand, at this point I can't think of any really good reason why Jack wouldn't be willing to see Claire's baby in the future.

 

[Steve Jordan]

Then you think the fact that Kate named her baby Aaron is a red herring? I'd be very annoyed with the writers and producers if that was true. They play enough mind games with us without stooping to those tactics.

On the other hand, at this point I can't think of any really good reason why Jack wouldn't be willing to see Claire's baby in the future.

I wouldn't put it past them. Of course... maybe if it was Claire's baby, maybe something happened to Claire due to Jack's action (or inaction), and seeing her baby fills him with too much guilt...

Oh, man, I just don't know anymore...

 

[ambershadow]

I got the impression that it is Clairs baby. The age of the child is one reason and the fact that everyone is hiding the truth of what happened and who got left behind on the Island.

 

[Lucien21]

Then you think the fact that Kate named her baby Aaron is a red herring? I'd be very annoyed with the writers and producers if that was true. They play enough mind games with us without stooping to those tactics.

On the other hand, at this point I can't think of any really good reason why Jack wouldn't be willing to see Claire's baby in the future.

Claire is Jack's Half Sister so Aaron is his nephew.

I imagine the only reason would be because Jack somehow causes Claire's death and feels guilty.

 

[Teresa Edgerton]

Claire is Jack's Half Sister so Aaron is his nephew.

Which is exactly why, if he knew the truth, he would want be involved in Aaron's life. And if he had reason to feel guilty about Claire, I think that would increase his feeling of obligation to look after her child. Another man might stay away because he feels guilty, but that would be out of character for Jack.

On the other hand, there does seem to be something slightly off about the way everyone is acting in the flash-forewards.

But here is something I've been wondering about: Kate's mom tries to bargain with Kate, saying she won't testify if she can see her grandson. When Kate says no deal, it seems that she wants to punish her mother. But then we find out that the baby probably isn't Kate's. (The fact that the last word we hear from her in that episode is "Aaron" obviously means that we're supposed to make that connection -- whether it happens to be the correct one or not.) Assuming that he really is Claire's Aaron, did Kate refuse her mother's offer because it would have been a cheat? Or would she have done the same if Aaron were really hers? What do other people think?

 

[Steve Jordan]

Assuming that he really is Claire's Aaron, did Kate refuse her mother's offer because it would have been a cheat? Or would she have done the same if Aaron were really hers? What do other people think?

I suppose Kate may have been afraid that her mother would somehow know that Aaron wasn't hers, which might jeopardize whatever secret they're keeping about the other Losties. On the other hand, Kate could simply be denying her Mother because of the bad blood between them, whether Aaron is hers or not.

Last night gave us a new relationship to consider: Julia and Ben! Hadn't seen that coming... I thought Julia was just always curt with Ben because of his refusal to let her leave the island. I'm not sure I love the reveals about Goodwin and his wife, though... seems very revisionist to me. And good 'ol Jack: When Julia warned him about Ben's jealousy being a danger to him personally, gallant Jack didn't back down an inch.

And another new element: A deadly gas that Daniel apparently managed to render harmless, believing that eventually Ben would have used it and "killed everyone on the island." At first, I thought this might have been the famous "black smoke." Then, I remembered that the black smoke could pick you up and toss you around like a rag doll... a white suit and gas mask weren't going to protect anyone from that. So what was it? And did it somehow connect to Goodwin's chemical burn on the arm (when he and Julia met)?

 

[Sir Jon]

Last night gave us a new relationship to consider: Julia and Ben! Hadn't seen that coming...

When Jack was operating on Ben, Tom said something about Juliet and Ben having a history. At the time, I thought that meant a past relationship.

 

[Teresa Edgerton]

What does everyone think of doubling up the flashbacks and the flash forwards? If this was a one-time thing, OK, it was interesting once, even if I did feel like a bit of a cheat. If they plan to make a habit of it, that will probably prove to be one too many levels of confusion for me.


As for the ending of the episode (spoiler, highlight to read):

Do we think that Jin is really dead? The date on the tombstone/memorial was the date of the plane crash.

I must say, I will be most unhappy if he is. I really want a satisfying ending for him and Sun and the baby.

 

[Steve Jordan]

What does everyone think of doubling up the flashbacks and the flash forwards? If this was a one-time thing, OK, it was interesting once, even if I did feel like a bit of a cheat. If they plan to make a habit of it, that will probably prove to be one too many levels of confusion for me.

No doubt, the flashback/flash-forward was confusing... it was supposed to be. Once I realized why, I was okay with it.

Regarding the spoiler: Yeah, I hope it isn't so.

Michael's ep was pretty interesting: For someone who's pretty much suicidal, he's still got a lot of fight in him. But the suggestion that he somehow can't die, thanks to his exposure to the island... it's too weird. People who go there get healed, though they can still be killed, but are protected when they leave, except for pregnant mothers who die when they are there... ugh. And if that was the case... how did one of them end up in that coffin? Mondo confusing.

And I notice that Michael agreed to work for Ben, and still hasn't been told exactly what's going on. How long will this go on?!? Somebody tell somebody something!

 

[Aniri]

No doubt, the flashback/flash-forward was confusing... it was supposed to be. Once I realized why, I was okay with it.

Regarding the spoiler: Yeah, I hope it isn't so.

Michael's ep was pretty interesting: For someone who's pretty much suicidal, he's still got a lot of fight in him. But the suggestion that he somehow can't die, thanks to his exposure to the island... it's too weird. People who go there get healed, though they can still be killed, but are protected when they leave, except for pregnant mothers who die when they are there... ugh. And if that was the case... how did one of them end up in that coffin? Mondo confusing.

And I notice that Michael agreed to work for Ben, and still hasn't been told exactly what's going on. How long will this go on?!? Somebody tell somebody something!

That's how I feel every week!

 

[TK-421]

Something I totally missed is that the man we saw sitting in Jacob's chair in the cabin (when Hurley peaked through the window) was Christian Shepherd. Jack's father. Now the Producers have said he is "dead" but that "dead may have a meaning that we do not fully understand yet". Think that Jack's father is the most featured character in flashbacks and touches other passengers (Sawyer, Claire). Also, when Jack found his father's coffin on the island, it was empty. The Producers have also said that Christian Shepherd will be back in future episodes.
That also means that the person who appeared in the window (we only saw his eye) and scarred Hurley was Jacob?

 

[Aniri]

Wait...which episode was this you are speaking of??? I must have missed Christian Shepherd in the cabin as well. Huh. Yeah...I think he's totally "alive".
I still can't stand Michael. Why the heck would you tell your child that you killed 2 people??

 

[TK-421]

Aniri: This was the second episode of the season. Oh, and Michael did it out of guilt, just like Tom said.

 

[Teresa Edgerton]

But the suggestion that he somehow can't die, thanks to his exposure to the island... it's too weird. People who go there get healed, though they can still be killed, but are protected when they leave, except for pregnant mothers who die when they are there...

I don't think that's what Tom meant. I think he was saying that the island won't allow you to kill yourself. It's like the island has its own plans for you, and you can't screw them up. Tom might have believed that (if so, he was wrong, because we know that one character did kill himself) or he might have been lying. Michael's suicide attempt with the car had already failed, and perhaps there was some tampering with the gun while Tom had it.

But, yes, it certainly was a confusing thing for him to say.

 

[Steve Jordan]

But, yes, it certainly was a confusing thing for him to say.

And that was probably the whole point... to confuse Michael enough to convince him to work for Ben. Of all the Others besides Ben, Tom seemed to be the most adept at the mind-games that Ben excelled at. I could easily believe he tampered with Michael's gun. Heck, for this show, I could believe Tom was in the back room of the pawn shop when Michael arrived, and made sure he was sold blanks!

 

[TK-421]

New episodes coming starting on April 24th.

 

[Raalix]

With regard to the Christian Sheppard thing - there was a mini episode/podcast type thing which was set prior to the pilot episode. It shows Christian on the island in his suit talking to Vincent. The plane has obviously just crashed and Christian tells Vincent to go and find Jack.

The dead thing is rather curious. Mikhail has died more than once and keeps coming back. Desmond kept having constant visions involving Charlie's death. Locke's father supposedly died and then arrived on the island only to be killed again by Sawyer - have we seen the last of him?