Theories...Where Martin leaves us hanging.........(SPOILERS!!!!)

[Lord_of_the_morning]

I'm making this thread so people can voice their opinions and debate a little on where we are left off. ...

1.) Is Sandor Dead?

2.) Is Brienne Dead?

3.) Who will be the three Dragon Riders

4.) Is Arya's condition temporary?

5.) Where is Rickon?

6.) How soon before Tom o' Seven strings helps bring Riverrun down?...

7.)Who are the three Queens that Littlefinger Speaks of? Cersai, Margarey, Sansa, Danearys, Myrcella?

8.) Is Loras really hurt, or was it a ruse?

9.) Who thinks that the "brother" to bring down Cersai isn't Tyrion....?

Anything else that comes to mind, post and discuss, he left so much unanswered and unclear, we have a lot to talk about.

 

[Werthead]

1.) Is Sandor Dead?

Given he was walking around in AFFC, I'm guessing not

2.) Is Brienne Dead?

Highly unlikely.

3.) Who will be the three Dragon Riders

Daenerys, Tyrion and Quentyn is my guess.

4.) Is Arya's condition temporary?

Probably. We'll find out in ADWD.

5.) Where is Rickon?

With Osha, either at White Harbour or with Howland Reed at Greywater Watch.

6.) How soon before Tom o' Seven strings helps bring Riverrun down?...

If Littlefinger is manipulating the situation so the Vale will rise for Sansa, my guess is that Tom won't act until the Vale army and a Stark noble are acting publicly. At the moment the BwB lacks the manpower needed to take or hold the castle.

7.)Who are the three Queens that Littlefinger Speaks of? Cersai, Margarey, Sansa, Danearys, Myrcella?

Cersei, Margaery and either Daenerys or the Queen of Thorns. Probably not Sansa, as he was talking to her at the time. Myrcella is a possibility.

8.) Is Loras really hurt, or was it a ruse?

Really hurt, I think. Nothing is to be gained by such a ruse at this time.

9.) Who thinks that the "brother" to bring down Cersai isn't Tyrion....?

It's fairly likely it's Jaime. Arguably by not acting at the end of AFFC, Jaime has already contributed to her downfall. However, the prophecy I think was that the little brother would kill her, and obviously that's up in the air at the moment.

 

[TK-421]

Wert covered these nicely. I agree with everything except that I think Arya will be on the heads of the dragon and not Quentyn and that Loras' injuries may indeed be a ruse (but this is just a bit of crazy theory about Loras really on his way to Dany).

 

[Lord_of_the_morning]

loras going to dany????hmm don't think i have heard that one yet.....exciting

 

[TK-421]

Oh yes, there is a theory that Loras is indeed not burned and that they just made up the story about him not being able to be moved and that really he is on his way to Dany. The Tyrells were indeed the last major house to bend the knee to Robert and it is assumed they have been closet Targaryen supporters since waiting for the right time to make a move. Now is that time and the Queen of Thorns has engineered all of it.

Now, I wait for Aegon and others to hum and ha about how this can't be, the Tyrells are in it for themselves, blah, blah...

 

[Lord_of_the_morning]

haha..You know at first i thought the queen of thorn's was jsut an old hag..but as it goes on she is a brilliant mind haha..

 

[Tysha]

What about Tysha? I've thought about the whore in Bravos - Sailor's wife but except her marry all the time and the fact she speak westeros I couldn't find any more hints, but today I've read a thread at "westeros" and here are some nice facts:

1.Sailor's wife only beds the ones who marry her.
2.Sailor's wife speaks Common Tongue of Westeros.
3.Sailor's wife has a daughter - Lanna - 14 years old (Tysha and Tyrion were about 12-13 when they get married and Tyrion is about 27 now)
4. Lanna - for Lannister (like Barra for Baratheon lol)
5. Lanna has fine golden hair.
6. There is no description of how Sailor's wife looks like and what is her name (that doesn't prove anything but it's quite mysterious don't you think..)

 

[Boaz]

Tysha, are you sure on your facts? Lanna's age and hair? If you are, then I confess you've made an excellent connection between Barra and Lanna.

 

[JDP]

1.) Is Sandor Dead?
Probably not - it was left too open. However, I hope he IS dead because I like the fact that Martin will happily kill off major characters (I do think the Hound was a top character, mind).

2.) Is Brienne Dead?
No. She will have to live with even greater disfigurement than her natural beauty. What I'm not sure of, though, is what the word was that she cried out as they were starting to hang Pod? 'Arya'?- hadn't she recently learnt that Arya was still alive and she might have been trying to appeal to Stoneheart's stone heart. Might be too late for Pod though (but I like him too).

3.) Who will be the three Dragon Riders
Dany, Jon and a third character we are yet to meet (annoying, huh?). If I have to pick someone we already know, I'd say Bran.

4.) Is Arya's condition temporary?
Yes, it's the next stage in her training. She'll have to go around keeping the candles lit for a while until the next newbie kills someone.

5.) Where is Rickon?
At White Harbour with Osha, plotting with Manderley and Davos (who isn't really dead).

6.) How soon before Tom o' Seven strings helps bring Riverrun down?
He won't.

7.)Who are the three Queens that Littlefinger Speaks of? Cersai, Margarey, Sansa, Danearys, Myrcella?
Can't remember when Littlefinger speaks of three Queens.

8.) Is Loras really hurt, or was it a ruse?
Yes, he is really hurt but will appear at Margeary's trial as her champion despite looking like 'a wax candle burn'd too long'.

9.) Who thinks that the "brother" to bring down Cersai isn't Tyrion....?
I didn't take it to mean a literal brother. Didn't she use some word like vorghular or something (sp. sorry, I don't have the books). I think the 'little brother' in question is an apprenticed Faceless man.

Great theory about Tysha - it would be great if Tyrion had a son (plus, wasn't his boat bound for Braavos?).

In summary: Apparently I like it when my favourite characters die. Interesting.

 

[Boaz]

vorghular

Valonqar.

 

[The Curious Orange]

I liked the Tysha theory.

I reckon Loras isn't hurt (or at least not that badly). We only have the Tyrell's word for it, after all, and I buy into the theory that they're feeding Cersei misinformation about the strength of their forces. If you re-read AFFC on the basis that the Tyrell's know more than they're letting on, quite a few interesting possibilities open up.

3 Dragon Riders? Dany, Tyrion and ... another.

The little brother who kills Cersei? How about Bran, or Rickon?

 

[Lubbock]

Yup up till know the Tyrells have just served the other kings and preserving their forces, at some point the Queen of Thorns must decide thats its time to step up their game and take chargem after all what big adversaries are there left, Stannis is up North, Tywin is no longer among us and Kevan went home.
So if they would, they could take KIngs Landing so very fast but could they hold it i wonder...

 

[Lord_of_the_morning]

yes...the tyrell's could hold king's landing...they have nearly double the troops that any other lord could muster...even if alot of them banded together they would still greatley out number anybody else..the tyrell's palyed it smart and kept like all of there forces alive haha....The queen of thorn's runs the show(behind the scenes i might add)

 

[Tysha]

Boaz - I'm always sure on my facts

" Yna was there too, braiding Lanna’s fine long golden hair. Another stupid love song. Lanna was always begging the singer to play her stupid love songs. She was the youngest of the whores, only ten-and-four."
AFFC

JDP - in fact it's a daughter

 

[devilsgrin]

it seems clear that while littlefinger is a consummate player of the Game of Thrones, Olenna - Queen of Thorns and Dowager Lady of House Tyrell is a true Master. Who would suspect her? Who would dare try to kill her with Left and Right around to protect her? House Tyrell may be overtly led by a man not all that bright (or compared to Tywin at least), but their forces are intact, they've successfully wed Margaery to three kings, had one son elevated to Lord of another keep, had another made a Kingsguard to protect his sister (but of course king-slaying Kingsguard aren't all that uncommon), and only ever act with their own interests at heart - and where detrimental to their 'allies.' taking control of King's Landing's food supply for instance (being Westeros' food basket helps of course) hugely good public relations... All of this is undoubtedly straight out of Olenna's incredibly intrigue focussed brain.
Also, Prince Doran presents as an excellent player as well. Whilst not in such a powerful position as the Tyrell's, The Martel's too have their entire force intact - not to mention a set of furious Sand Snakes all perfectly capable of assassinating just about anyone...

 

[Koopa]

Doran Martell does not seem inadequate. To say he is a good player is stretching it though. We now next to know of his skills in the Game of trones. So far he has not been able to do much but wait, and have a tiny failure of a side-scheme with the targaryens.

True waiting proved to be the best option, however in truth he never had anu other, nor has he ever been put in a situation in wich he is forced to take risks. We'll see how well he does then.