Observations on Storylines.

The Curious Orange

Well-Known Member
Joined
Aug 9, 2007
Messages
148
I’ve just finished re-reading A Storm of Swords, and I thought I’d share a few thoughts.

I’ve always loved stories with multiple storylines, I guess it’s one of the things that draws me to fantasy, and as an aspiring writer, it’s one of the things I want to do in my own writing, but ASOIAF takes the idea of multiple storylines to a whole new level.

One of the first writing books I read had a chapter on multiple plotlines that used Vanity Fair as an example – not the best example, I know. Alan Dean Foster’s book uses The Empire Strikes Back as an example, highlighting all the things in Luke’s internal journey on Dagobah that are reflected and echoed in Han and Leia’s journey. That film is a lot more complex than I first thought.

So as a writer, the first thing I wanted to know was how does GRRM do it?

Here’s his secret – he’s telling the same story twice. Every character’s story is mirrored or echoed in another.

Ned Stark and Robert Baratheon are the first set of conjoined characters, Ned being uptight and stiff, while Robert is a drinking womaniser. Both are married to women who aren’t their first choice, and neither seems to relish the high office they hold. Both are pretty clueless when it comes to the Game of Thrones, and both are betrayed and led to their death by the same woman.

Robert’s son becomes King, as does Ned’s. Whereas the father’s were lifelong friends, the sons have an instant animosity. Both kidnap close family members of the others.

Both Kings are killed at a wedding, betrayed by the bride’s family, who should have been loyal bannermen. One of the Stark sisters is at each wedding, but is powerless to help as they are dragged away by an errant knight. Dontos is killed, Sandor is left for dead. Both sisters make their escape by ship. Sansa and Arya are tied together all the way through this thing.

Sandor’s trial by combat with Beric Dondarrion echoes his brother’s fight with Oberon Martell.

Cersei and Dany are two of the most closely linked characters. Dany is expected to marry Viserys, but is married off to the brutish Drogo, who she comes to love. Cersei is having an incestuous relationship with her brother, and is forced to marry the brutish Robert, who she only despises more. Both husbands die, and both women are cursed by a maegi.

Cersei has three children, who aren’t her husband’s. Dany’s three children are her dragons, who aren’t Drogo’s either. Jaime says it best when he remarks that the Targaryens married bother to sister, why shouldn’t the Lannisters? Barristan Selmy leaves Cersei’s service to join Dany, Jorah Mormont was in Varys service all along, and leaves Dany’s side. Hints are that Tyrion is leaving Cersei’s side to join Dany too. Having another Mormont on the Wall ties that storyline in as well. (Cersei’s eldest child is dead, Ned’s eldest child is dead – what does that spell for Drogon, I wonder?)

Every event has an equal and opposite event. Every character has a counterpart. Every word of the story is told again, sometimes the same, sometimes the opposite, with another cast of characters. It really is genius.
 
That's a fascinating reading, although I can't help being reminded of that email that lists all the "corresponding facts" that link Lincoln and JFK. I think some of the parallels you've listed there are a bit of a stretch. For instance "Both sisters escaped by ship" - Sansa certainly did, but Arya escaped from the Twins on horseback didn't she? It was quite some time before she got onto a ship, and almost everybody gets onto a ship at somepoint.

The parallel between Cersei and Dany is quite clear though, and should become more apparent when DWD comes out and we can compare Dany's ability to rule with Cersei's.

So who would be Jon's conjoined character? Tyrion? Both outsiders, forced to leave their own families and prove themselves elsewhere?

And where can I find out more about the paralells between Luke and Han/Leia?
 
Wow, CO. That point/counterpoint, action/reaction, close links between characters analysis is excellent.

Where would Bran fit in all this and does he have any links to other characters in the same manner? To Mycella? One to the far North, the other the far South. Both physically damaged...
 
Orange, thank you for your observations. Well done.

Florian, I think Jon's twin/opposite/mirror/reflection is Tyrion. I'd like to say Ghost also, but the direwolves are the obvious conjoined characters.

Both Tyrion and Jon are bastards. Tyrion says, "All dwarfs are bastards in their father's eyes." Tyrion also claimed that his most heinous crime is that he lived and breathed. This seems to be Jon's crime in Catelyn's eyes.

They both go into exile. Jon went north and Tyrion went south.

Both have had assassinations planned for them. Tyrion was to have been murdered by Ser Mandon and Jon was to have been murdered by Ser Osney. Both deaths would have come as a surprise since both knights were seen to have been protectors of high lords... the Hand and the Lord Commander of the NW.

Both befriend the helpless. Jon saved Sam and Tyrion helped Bran.

Both have affinities for semi-mythical creatures... direwolves and dragons.

Both were entrusted with the defense of the two most important places in the realm... the Capital and the Wall. Both were attacked by men whose names start with ST... Styr and Stannis. Both were victorious with the help of a Baratheon brother riding to the rescue. On the Wall, Jon's shot brought down tons of ice on Styr. At KL, Tyrion burned Stannis' fleet with fire.

Both loved women though they knew the outcome would be disastrous. Both were nearly killed by their women. Shae's testimony against Tyrion was damning and Ygritte shot Jon.

Both killed their lovers. Maybe Jon did not kill Ygritte, but he would have if he had to or if she'd been next to Styr at the stairs.

Both have been on trial for their lives.

Both have wolf companions that they have lost. Well, Bronn was described as wolf-like or stalking like a wolf or had a wolfish grin or prowled at Tyrion's side like a hungry wolf... I forget. Both wolves killed for their masters.

Both earned the undying hatred of Ser Alliser Thorne.

Both killed wildlings and then rode with them. Both learned to respect the fighting abilities of the wildlings.

The parentage of both has been questioned. Jon never knew his mother... and most readers have doubted Eddard's claim that Jon is his son. Tywin wanted in the worst way to be able to prove Tyrion was not his son... I've provided his excuse, but no one seems to like it. The bottom line is that I personally think they are both ******* Targaryens.

I'm sure there are more similarities, especially those that contrast the differing qualities of Jon and Tyrion, but I cannot think of them now.

The obvious conjoining of characters to me are the Lannister siblings. Jaime and Cersei... and especially Jaime and Tyrion.

Both are sons of Joanna. Jaime looks like Apollo and Tyrion looks like Hephaestus. Jaime emphasizes his physical qualities to the detriment of his mental abilities... Tyrion is the opposite.

Both are confounded by their father. Tywin still wants Jaime to inherit Casterly Rock which Jaime will not do. Tyrion covets Casterly Rock, but Tywin will never give it to him.

Both are confounded and betrayed by their sister. Cersei feigns love for Jaime, thus getting Jaime to do anything for her. Cersei has open hatred for Tyrion and so provokes Tyrion to thwart her at every turn.

Both are maimed.

Both are named Kingslayer. Will Jaime follow Tyrion into kinslaying?

Both were prisoners of the Starks. Jaime the fighter was able to talk his way out of Riverrun and Harrenhal, but Tyrion the thinker was forced into combat to escape. Jaime responded to Tyrion's capture by murdering Stark men and wounding Eddard. Tyrion responded to Jaime's capture by protecting Sansa and by attempting to effect Jaime's escape.

Both were in KL during imminent attacks. Jaime killed the men who wanted to use wildfire to blow up the city. Tyrion used wildfire against the men who wanted to capture the city.

Jaime had a sexual relationship with his sister... he wanted to be a Targaryen. I think Tyrion is secretly a Targaryen and that he may end up thus married to Dany.

Jaime had three bastards that he was not allowed to claim. If that one whore in Braavos is Tysha, then Tyrion has a ******* daughter that he has not claimed.

These are just thoughts off the top of my head. If they are valid, then great. If they are not, then please correct me.

Other possible conjoined characters whose comparisons may or may not be fleshed out by GRRM. Jaime and Loras. Cersei and Margaery. Stannis and Victarion. Renly and Theon. Jon and Ramsay. Tysha and Lynesse. Arya and Missandei. Gendry and Edric Storm. Viserys and Edric Storm. Jon and Aemon. Vargo and Daario. Bran and Willas. Littlefinger and Varys. Arya and Lyanna. Cersei and Arianne. Barristan and Areo.
 
"Cersei feigns love for Jaime, thus getting Jaime to do anything for her."

As far as I was aware, Cersei really does love Jaime, at least until later on in the series.
 
Mayhaps I should start to preface my posts with Caveat Lector... let the reader beware!
 
Ive always felt Jon and Robb shared parallel arcs. Thrust into leadership roles early, broke an oath by bedding a woman....Im sure you guys can draw more. The difference is of course Robbs mistake killed him.
 
... And of course Tyrion's mother died giving birth to him, which lends a certain credence to the theory that Lyanna was Jon's mother...
 
Ding, Ding, Ding!!! We have a winner! DeanneBelle takes homw the prize for hitting it sqarely on the head.

I don't agree here. I think she'd rather be herself in Jaime's body (i.e. she simply wants to be male) but she certainly doesn't want to be Jaime before or after he loses his hand. I think Jaime himself is the one that hits the nail squarely on the head:

Jaime II in AFFC said:
His sister liked to think of herself as Lord Tywin with teats, but she was wrong. Their father had been as relentless and implacable as a glacier, where Cersei was all wildfire, especially when thwarted.
 

Similar threads


Back
Top