Snagas Tender Blades
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Which faction do you think will do best in the war of the seven kingdoms?
who do you think will come out on top?
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I had to go for Dany
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I don't think anyone will come out on top...this war will end in tragedy for all.
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Tyrion. Dany was gonna be my choice, but, I think something tragic may happen . The biggest single foreshadow in the book will come from a shadow.
" When he opened the door, the light from within threw his shadow clear across the yard, and for just a moment Tyrion Lannister stood tall as a king."
A Game Of Thrones
" When he opened the door, the light from within threw his shadow clear across the yard, and for just a moment Tyrion Lannister stood tall as a king."
A Game Of Thrones
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i think the Martell's will end up benefitting the most from this little war in westeros. With even further increased independence.
That said i see the Tyrells also profitting big time. We know that this is a family of blantant opportunists... and they were the last Great House to swear fealty to the Baratheon throne.
Lannisters and Starks are suffering bigtime, Littlefinger will outsmart himself, the dragons will annihilate the Greyjoy fleet.... or steal it... Stannis will end up dead... Jon Snow can't benefit further, he is Lord Commander of the Nights Watch and a sworn brother. For him to do anything other that remain where he is, utterly negates any honour a ******* may accrue in Westeros.
That said i see the Tyrells also profitting big time. We know that this is a family of blantant opportunists... and they were the last Great House to swear fealty to the Baratheon throne.
Lannisters and Starks are suffering bigtime, Littlefinger will outsmart himself, the dragons will annihilate the Greyjoy fleet.... or steal it... Stannis will end up dead... Jon Snow can't benefit further, he is Lord Commander of the Nights Watch and a sworn brother. For him to do anything other that remain where he is, utterly negates any honour a ******* may accrue in Westeros.
Im going for good old Stannis, yes he is hje guy you love to hate.
His armies are depleted he lost much support, but if his efforts to free the North works he good gain good support from the North, if he allies with Certain Greyjoys that are trapped on the mainland he could with luck start to get a fleet again. The big question is Dany problem, because Stannis has proved his unwillingness to back down from his heritage as king, but again Dany is actually a more rightfull ruler that he is....
BUt for now my money is on good old Stannis
His armies are depleted he lost much support, but if his efforts to free the North works he good gain good support from the North, if he allies with Certain Greyjoys that are trapped on the mainland he could with luck start to get a fleet again. The big question is Dany problem, because Stannis has proved his unwillingness to back down from his heritage as king, but again Dany is actually a more rightfull ruler that he is....
BUt for now my money is on good old Stannis
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I'd like to think of Jon Snow as he's the only decent character left alive, don't quote me, though.
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Snaga, I'm assuming you mean after all seven books have been published.
I think Cersei, Jaime, and Myrcella are not long for this earth, err, I mean that earth. If the Lannisters fall... wait, scratch that... When the Lannisters fall from power, I could envision someone, i.e. Ser Daven, Strongboar, or Josmyn Peckledon escaping with Tommen and fleeing into exile just like Willem Darry saved Viserys and Daenerys from Dragonstone.
I do not see Kevan going down with Cersei's ship. He knows it's better to survive and try again later. He knows the old song... what's it's name? Ahhhh, yes, The Rains of Castamere. I look for Kevan to make cause with the new power and to be rewarded as Lord of Casterly Rock.
Stannis is an old done man. His sword is false. Aemon's interpretation of Dany's birth is better than Stannis'. Heck, even Aegon's and Rhaegar's births have better signs than Stannis. Melisandre has spiritually leeched Stannis. He may very well heroically face off with THE Other, but he's dog meat.
Asha Greyjoy is already in survival mode, ala Kevan Lannister. I think she'll come out of this alright. She'd rather serve as Victarion's Hand than be dead.
Aemon is blind to the political realities around him. Euron will bring another Faceless Man for him... or arrange some other suitable end for the prophet.
Euron is evil. He has the horn, but Dany will not allow her dragons to just be taken from her. He has risen by blood. His rule will be excessive in blood, debauchery, and torture. He will never have a loyal enough base to rule the entire Seven Kingdoms. Crow's Eye is crow food.
Theon is a worm.
Victarion has a decent chance of surviving as Dany's Master of Ships.
As long as Littlefinger stays ahead of the curve by correctly guessing his opponent's moves, he'll be a major factor. Lies, hostages, bribes, legal documents, and using the honor of other players to immobilize them has served him well. But what happens when someone decides that they no longer need what he's giving... remember how Tyrion finally threw off Tywin's yoke. And someday, Sansa will no longer be his hostage if he marries her off... she'll be her own player. As with Euron, Littlefinger does not possess a large enough loyal base of swords to ensure a long stay on the Iron Throne.
Doran Martell will soon die of his illness.
Quentyn has the best chance of securing an alliance with Dany. He has a small fleet. He has the nearest secure landings. His family has been loyal. His sister was betrothed to her brother. He has been groomed to rule as a subordinate lord to the crown. And it seems that he left for Slaver's Bay ahead of Victarion, Marwyn, and Loras.
Arianne may indeed succeed her father. But the lords of Dorne will take a strong hand in her government or replace her with Tristayne. Arianne is another Cersei. She's wanton and headstrong and yet not patient nor wise. I'd say she's a disaster waiting to happen, but she's already started to happen.
As for the Tyrells, I cannot see how Margaery could pull off another switching of kings. I think she's tied to Tommen now. If Viserys was still alive, mayhaps the Tyrells would prove Tommen's abhominable origins and offer Margaery to the Targs. But since they are dealing with Dany, mayhaps they are offering Loras... or Willas. Just like Arianne was secretly promised to Viserys, mayhaps the Tyrells will claim that Willas has been secretly promised to Dany. Either way, Margaery will be dead or relegated to a role as counselor to House Tyrell... much like her grandmother.
All the Tyrells might perish with the downfall of the Lannisters and the arrival of the Targaryens. Then again, they might prove traitorous and switch sides. All in all I think, Garlan has the best chance for survival. Mace, as patriarch, will be slain by vengeful Lannisters or by a vengeful Stannis. As long as Loras leads from the front while dressed all in white, he's a target for everyone. Willas will not go near the fighting, but he's a cripple and easy to target with an assassin. Garlan has taken Brightwater Keep, so he'll not inherit Highgarden... he seems slightly more prudent than Loras... and he is dynamite with a sword, so he'll not be easy fodder for assassins. As with Kevan and Asha, I think Garlan can tell which way the wind is blowing.
Mance Rayder has the shortest potential life span of anyone in ADWD.
In almost every other fantasy/sci-fi/fiction that I've read, the Jon and Dany characters always win. They survive against all odds. They are young and beautiful and wise... their kingdoms flourish under their beneficence. Except this is GRRM were dealing with here... three characters similar to Jon and Dany have already died! Ned, Drogo, and Robb were all handsome and noble and capable lords. Yet they're dead.
Just going by that measure, I want to say that neither Jon nor Dany will end up ruling from the Iron Throne. Yet after saying that, I must acknowledge that GRRM has invested a lot, and I mean a lot more into Jon and Dany than he ever did into Drogo, Robb, and Ned. And they seem to fit the description of Ice and Fire.
I cannot discount neither Jon nor Dany from ending up in control of Westeros.
I think I read somewhere that GRRM sees much of himself in Tyrion. If this is true, then I guess that Tyrion will survive to the end. Will he rule as a head of the dragon, will he serve as Hand, will he end up on the Wall, will he wind up as a Fool, will he inherit Casterly Rock, or will he end up a beggar in exile? I can't say.
I do think Sansa will not only survive, but thrive. If she's not Queen, then she'll be the King/Queenmaker.
I think Cersei, Jaime, and Myrcella are not long for this earth, err, I mean that earth. If the Lannisters fall... wait, scratch that... When the Lannisters fall from power, I could envision someone, i.e. Ser Daven, Strongboar, or Josmyn Peckledon escaping with Tommen and fleeing into exile just like Willem Darry saved Viserys and Daenerys from Dragonstone.
I do not see Kevan going down with Cersei's ship. He knows it's better to survive and try again later. He knows the old song... what's it's name? Ahhhh, yes, The Rains of Castamere. I look for Kevan to make cause with the new power and to be rewarded as Lord of Casterly Rock.
Stannis is an old done man. His sword is false. Aemon's interpretation of Dany's birth is better than Stannis'. Heck, even Aegon's and Rhaegar's births have better signs than Stannis. Melisandre has spiritually leeched Stannis. He may very well heroically face off with THE Other, but he's dog meat.
Asha Greyjoy is already in survival mode, ala Kevan Lannister. I think she'll come out of this alright. She'd rather serve as Victarion's Hand than be dead.
Aemon is blind to the political realities around him. Euron will bring another Faceless Man for him... or arrange some other suitable end for the prophet.
Euron is evil. He has the horn, but Dany will not allow her dragons to just be taken from her. He has risen by blood. His rule will be excessive in blood, debauchery, and torture. He will never have a loyal enough base to rule the entire Seven Kingdoms. Crow's Eye is crow food.
Theon is a worm.
Victarion has a decent chance of surviving as Dany's Master of Ships.
As long as Littlefinger stays ahead of the curve by correctly guessing his opponent's moves, he'll be a major factor. Lies, hostages, bribes, legal documents, and using the honor of other players to immobilize them has served him well. But what happens when someone decides that they no longer need what he's giving... remember how Tyrion finally threw off Tywin's yoke. And someday, Sansa will no longer be his hostage if he marries her off... she'll be her own player. As with Euron, Littlefinger does not possess a large enough loyal base of swords to ensure a long stay on the Iron Throne.
Doran Martell will soon die of his illness.
Quentyn has the best chance of securing an alliance with Dany. He has a small fleet. He has the nearest secure landings. His family has been loyal. His sister was betrothed to her brother. He has been groomed to rule as a subordinate lord to the crown. And it seems that he left for Slaver's Bay ahead of Victarion, Marwyn, and Loras.
Arianne may indeed succeed her father. But the lords of Dorne will take a strong hand in her government or replace her with Tristayne. Arianne is another Cersei. She's wanton and headstrong and yet not patient nor wise. I'd say she's a disaster waiting to happen, but she's already started to happen.
As for the Tyrells, I cannot see how Margaery could pull off another switching of kings. I think she's tied to Tommen now. If Viserys was still alive, mayhaps the Tyrells would prove Tommen's abhominable origins and offer Margaery to the Targs. But since they are dealing with Dany, mayhaps they are offering Loras... or Willas. Just like Arianne was secretly promised to Viserys, mayhaps the Tyrells will claim that Willas has been secretly promised to Dany. Either way, Margaery will be dead or relegated to a role as counselor to House Tyrell... much like her grandmother.
All the Tyrells might perish with the downfall of the Lannisters and the arrival of the Targaryens. Then again, they might prove traitorous and switch sides. All in all I think, Garlan has the best chance for survival. Mace, as patriarch, will be slain by vengeful Lannisters or by a vengeful Stannis. As long as Loras leads from the front while dressed all in white, he's a target for everyone. Willas will not go near the fighting, but he's a cripple and easy to target with an assassin. Garlan has taken Brightwater Keep, so he'll not inherit Highgarden... he seems slightly more prudent than Loras... and he is dynamite with a sword, so he'll not be easy fodder for assassins. As with Kevan and Asha, I think Garlan can tell which way the wind is blowing.
Mance Rayder has the shortest potential life span of anyone in ADWD.
In almost every other fantasy/sci-fi/fiction that I've read, the Jon and Dany characters always win. They survive against all odds. They are young and beautiful and wise... their kingdoms flourish under their beneficence. Except this is GRRM were dealing with here... three characters similar to Jon and Dany have already died! Ned, Drogo, and Robb were all handsome and noble and capable lords. Yet they're dead.
Just going by that measure, I want to say that neither Jon nor Dany will end up ruling from the Iron Throne. Yet after saying that, I must acknowledge that GRRM has invested a lot, and I mean a lot more into Jon and Dany than he ever did into Drogo, Robb, and Ned. And they seem to fit the description of Ice and Fire.
I cannot discount neither Jon nor Dany from ending up in control of Westeros.
I think I read somewhere that GRRM sees much of himself in Tyrion. If this is true, then I guess that Tyrion will survive to the end. Will he rule as a head of the dragon, will he serve as Hand, will he end up on the Wall, will he wind up as a Fool, will he inherit Casterly Rock, or will he end up a beggar in exile? I can't say.
I do think Sansa will not only survive, but thrive. If she's not Queen, then she'll be the King/Queenmaker.
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Does anybody else hear the wind howling ? Just kidding, great breakdown Boaz, but you didn't really answer the question. Who are you putting your money on?
Just kidding, great breakdown Boaz, but you didn't really answer the question. Who are you putting your money on?DAMN YOU BOAZ DAMN YOU TO HELL <Shakes his fist at the heavens>
I forgot about the prophecy about Stannis and the Others, but what the deuce as the only Stannis fan on the board my vote stays with him
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You got me. I was hoping the sheer length of that post might disguise the fact that I don't really know who will win The Game Of Thrones.Does anybody else hear the wind howling ?
The Game of Thrones and the Song of Ice and Fire are entirely seperate battles. Oh, they might intertwine some, but the victor over The Other will not necessarily be the one sitting on the Iron Throne when all is said and done.
Who will defeat The Other? Not Stannis. Mayhaps Bran, Jon, Dany, and or Tyrion.
Who will be crowned ruler of Westeros? I'm not sure the entire realm will be ruled from King's Landing at the end of the story. I can see Rickon ruling the North as an independent kingdom.
Who do I think will rule in the end? If Jon defeats The Other, if the Wildlings are pacified and incorporated into the realm, if Dany helps Jon, and if Jon is Rhaegar's son, then Jon and Dany will conjointly rule Westeros.
If Jon defeats The Other, if Dany refuses Jon, if Bran and Rickon die, then Jon will marry Sansa and rule the North.
If Jon's defeat of The Other and Dany's return of the dragons results in a reversal of the Doom of Valyria, then Jon will marry Arya and they'll rule Valyria while Sansa and Quentyn overthrow Dany and rule Westeros.
And I have not even gotten started on Hodor yet...
In all seriousness, Tyrion, Jon, and Aegon will be proven to be Targs and Targ bastards. Tyrion as eldest will be deferred to, but he'll decline the crown because he knows the populace will never accept him. Tyrion will follow Aemon's example and go to the Wall to show his loyalty to Dany and Aegon. Jon will die in battle with The Other, from his wounds after the battle, or will be assassinated. Aegon (half-Dornish) will wed Dany and Sansa thus uniting North and South with the true Targaryen blood.
The Game Of Thrones will be won by Dany, Aegon, and Sansa.
Arya, Sandor, Littlefinger, Arianne, Bran, Theon, Euron, Stannis, Loras, Margaery, Tommen, Jorah, Cersei, Jaime, Sam, Mace, Edmure, and Roose will die horrible deaths.
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Ha ha ha. Fanbois? I'd rather have fangoils.
It's all conjecture at this point. But if I had to bet, then I bet on Aegon, Dany, and Sansa.
In your first post on this thread, you said you think Dany will come out on top. But if there are three heads of the dragon, then don't you need two people to be alongside her?
By the way, I can positively, absolutely, and without equivocation state for the record that Ned will not win.
It's all conjecture at this point. But if I had to bet, then I bet on Aegon, Dany, and Sansa.
In your first post on this thread, you said you think Dany will come out on top. But if there are three heads of the dragon, then don't you need two people to be alongside her?
By the way, I can positively, absolutely, and without equivocation state for the record that Ned will not win.
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3 ???? You've got to be kidding Boaz ! PIC ONE !!
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Wait a sec, let me use some Horse Track parlance.
I'm not betting on all three to show, i.e. to finish in the top three. Nor am I betting on them to place, i.e. to finish first or second. And I'm not betting on any of them to win straight out. I'm betting the trifecta, i.e. a specific combination of first, second and third. But my trifecta is not based on first, second, and third... my trifecta is that all three share the throne, i.e. all win.
I think picking these three exact heads of the dragon is more difficult than just picking one.
I'm not betting on all three to show, i.e. to finish in the top three. Nor am I betting on them to place, i.e. to finish first or second. And I'm not betting on any of them to win straight out. I'm betting the trifecta, i.e. a specific combination of first, second and third. But my trifecta is not based on first, second, and third... my trifecta is that all three share the throne, i.e. all win.
I think picking these three exact heads of the dragon is more difficult than just picking one.
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While I think my dear Tyrion will reek havoc and live to see the end, I had to go with Jon Snow (even though he is far from my favourite). I have said from the beginning that GRRM has set it up so that a ******* will inherit the Iron Throne and bring peace and stability to Westeros.