Meaning of an old crone's rebuke of Arya?

[DeannaBelle]

“I see you, wolf child. Blood child. I thought it was the lord who smelled of death...you are cruel to come to my hill, cruel. I gorged on grief at Summerhall, I need none of yours. Begone from here, dark heart. Begone!” said the Ghost of Highheart, the old dwarf crone.

Do you know what tragedy happened at Summerhall? There are so many references but no coplete story. We know Arya's a twisted ten-year-old with a hit list (how cool is that?), but .... it just seems prophetic and rather dramatic. I guess I always assumed Arya is killing "the bad guys." Has the old dawrf no sense of discernment? Is it the fact that Arya is after blood that troubles the woman, or does she see something more troubling about Arya?

 

[Charming Serpent]

Hm, I think it means that the old dwarf woman sees how bitter and iron Arya's heart is for a ten year old. She wished revenge and murder. Besides, she is training to be a faceless man and they kill for coin or for whatever reasons. I mean she killed Sam's black brother, Satin or whoever in the Free Cities because he didn't want to go to the watch. Whether he would have been put to death anyhow is unimportant.

 

[DeannaBelle]

I hope that's all it is. I don't like to think of Arya going to the dark side. And I think her becoming a faceless lady won't mean she'll be working for coin. She's got her own agenda.

 

[Charming Serpent]

Perhaps Arya could take their training and then be done with that, but if she chooses to remain in their "organaztion" then she will have no choice to kill on command.

As Jaquen stated to her when she asked if he would stay etc .... "Then I must go, for even I have other duties" Implying that his duties compel him to be elsewhere no matter what he would want.

 

[Boaz]

If you search Tower of the Hand, you'll get... A ruined palace.

If you Wiki Summerhall, you get the following...

Summerhall
Summerhall was the summer palace of the Targaryens, located within the Stormlands but in close proximity to the borders of Dorne and the Reach as well. It was built during the notably pro-Dornish reign of King Daeron II Targaryen. A younger child of the Targaryen family was given the title 'Prince of Summerhall', whilst the direct heir was given the title 'Prince of Dragonstone', and it was a favourite haunt of King Daeron's youngest son, Prince Maekar, who maintained a household there after the Blackfyre Rebellion.
Summerhall was destroyed by fire in the year 259 AL, on the same night Prince Rhaegar Targaryen was born to Prince Aerys and his sister-wife Rhaella. The fire was a serious blow to House Targaryen, as King Aegon V Targaryen, his eldest son and heir Prince Duncan and his good friend Ser Duncan the Tall, Lord Commander of the Kingsguard, were also all killed. The fire is sometimes blamed on one of the periodic attempts by the Targaryens to hatch ancient dragon eggs.

Of course if the old woman remembers this event, then she's of an age with Maester Aemon at least... mayhaps that woman is much older than that.

 

[Charming Serpent]

Boaz, you went ride right on that post. Though you stayed in the ballpark at least Your right about referring to what the dwarf crone said about summerhall; "I gorged enough on greif at Summerhall"

I think that Deanna was concerned about the crone's specific words of darkheart and the other ... what was it? ...Blood child?

Anyways, Arya is comfortable with killing and she is now what, 10 or older? I firmly believe that she will just get worse as an assassin and kill many people whether she rejoins the Starks or not.

 

[Snagas Tender Blades]

Could the old woman have been at Summerhall?

Oh yeah and is Ser Duncan the Tall 'Dunc' from the short stories?

 

[Koopa]

Yes, and Aegon V is Egg. I think he was also called Aegon the Unworthy

 

[DeannaBelle]

Comfortable with killing, yes. Evil? She's just had a "hard knock life." She's just a little thug, that's all.

I like to think of her killing for "the greater good," no matter how twisted THAT sounds. But yes, truly, you are right. She's a hateful and vengeful little girl. And I think hate=evil.

 

[Young stormlord]

Yes, and Aegon V is Egg. I think he was also called Aegon the Unworthy

He was called Aegon Unhoped, fourth son of the fourth son.

 

[Charming Serpent]

I thought he was called Aegon the Unlikely?

 

[Young stormlord]

Sorry, my bad. Unlikely and Unhoped are translated the same on Serbian.

 

[Koopa]

Right, i was not sure about it anymore, someone else was called the Unworthy.

 

[Aegon the Unworthy]

I always thought the crones rebuke was in response to the spectre of death and sadness that hangs over Arya...not neccessarily her own doing mind you....but most of her family is dead or will be dead shortly and those she will be hastening their eventual meeting with death....in fact she will be analagous to an express check-out lane in the near future. Regardless though Arya has had a tragic life thus far and the crone was reacting to that, not her psychotic nature.

 

[Shacklock]

Comfortable with killing, yes. Evil? She's just had a "hard knock life." She's just a little thug, that's all.

I like to think of her killing for "the greater good," no matter how twisted THAT sounds. But yes, truly, you are right. She's a hateful and vengeful little girl. And I think hate=evil.

Hate=evil? That's a bit stupid, evils just a random-made up word anyway, no such thing
Arya's had every right to hate and kill the people she's killed, I'd say. Aint nothing ebil about that, just neccesity and revenge.

 

[Koopa]

I daresay, ebil is who ebil does.

And yes, i am a black pot, i just could not help myself.

 

[Koopa]

EBIL BE GONE!

(P.S.:I'm in my stupid jokes phase)

 

[DeannaBelle]

Hate=evil? That's a bit stupid, evils just a random-made up word anyway, no such thing
Arya's had every right to hate and kill the people she's killed, I'd say. Aint nothing ebil about that, just neccesity and revenge.

There are no such things as Others, but for the sake of the world of Ice and Fire, we are discussing them, aren't we?

Also, all words are made up to express a thing or idea. Maybe you don't believe evil exists, but it still may or not may not exist, regardless of your beliefs.

Personally, I define evil as "that which robs us of life and joy".

"LIVE" spelled backwards is "EVIL."

There, now I defined it; now it exists.

Also, necessity and revenge are two different things, my brother. Necessity is killing to stay alive, revenge is killing for .... revenge (out of hate).

 

[Shacklock]

There are no such things as Others, but for the sake of the world of Ice and Fire, we are discussing them, aren't we?

Also, all words are made up to express a thing or idea. Maybe you don't believe evil exists, but it still may or not may not exist, regardless of your beliefs.

Personally, I define evil as "that which robs us of life and joy".

"LIVE" spelled backwards is "EVIL."

There, now I defined it; now it exists.

Also, necessity and revenge are two different things, my brother. Necessity is killing to stay alive, revenge is killing for .... revenge (out of hate).

I'll agree with you, I was a little drunk and tired when I wrote that a few hours ago

 

[DeannaBelle]

Now, Shacklock, if only I could get you to agree with me a take up my cause for taking over the world.