Does anybody else 'dreamwrite'?

dreir

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Sometimes I dream. And as I dream, I flesh out the plot points in the story that I'm writing, develop characters, make up dialogue, sometimes even solve tricky story decisions and basically mentally write pages and pages of stuff (and they always seem to be better than the stuff I write when awake). And even as I dream I'd realise that it's a dream because my notepad is nowhere to be found and I'd be so desperately hoping that I'd remember enough of it all when I wake up. And then I'd wake up and I'd be clawing madly for my pen and paper while all the time the details of the dream slip quickly from my mind like sand through my fingers.

It's really really frustrating. Does anybody else 'dreamwrite' like this? What should I do to try to ensure that all that 'hard work' don't go to waste?

- Dreir -
 
I think it's good for you to dream, but when you start having nightmares, then I recommend to step away and let your grey mass to cool down. The reason: sometimes I just cannot get rid of the characters from my head, as they've come a part of me. When I go to sleep, I see them in action. Its quite horrifying. It also makes me to think 'am I sane?'
 
Well, I don't dream write like that, but I do turn dreams into plot points. More commonly, I'll work out plot points or character thingies as I fall asleep. I find I'm at my most creative as I'm starting to drift off, which can be something of a bother when I then have to roll over and grab the pen and paper (or more often my phone and its notepad function -Qwerty keyboards are fun!), and put off actual sleep to prevent myself from losing the bit of dialogue or plot to actual dreams.

The best advice I can offer here is from dream experience in general. When you exercise writing down dreams regularly, you'll find the details easier to remember, and you'll be able to recall more and more dreams. My mum used to dream journal when she wasn't working and found herself spending four hours or more writing down and analysing every dream she could remember from the night before. That's sort of the extreme side of where you can end up when you really work to remember the dreams and write them out, but it just goes to prove that the practice really works.

So don't just write down the dreams you have about story points, write down every dream for a while. You never know which one might be its own story beginning. My best friend has story dreams all the time. Some of them are going towards our short story album (all of them creepy or dark in some way), and others are beautiful tales all on their own.

So, dewdrop, get yourself a journal you can dedicate to recording your dreams, and every morning start out by just writing out whatever you can remember of whatever dreams remain rememberable. Don't worry about getting it all down, or the points you can't quite recall, but know must have existed. Write down any backstory the dream fed you, or understanding you were given for the dream to have context, and any and all details that stick around.

Oh, and one of my dreams is taking story form in the Critiques. I'm trying to finish it in time for Halloween, but I'm not sure I'll make that goal. Schlep on over and tell me what you think if you haven't already. I'm still not sure I have the atmosphere right.
 
(and they always seem to be better than the stuff I write when awake)

Seems, perhaps. I once had a dream where some Chinese guy was telling me something "profound", and indeed in the dream it seemed like the great answer to everything that philosophers have been seeking for millennia. In the dream, he made me repeat it many times so I wouldn't forget it. I was even speaking it aloud when I woke up.

Total nonsense, it turned out to be.

The subconscious is more suited to images and concepts that language. Dreams can be great for insights and resolving plot points, but I wouldn't trust your subconscious to string a credible sentence together, not one that survives the light of day at least.
 
You should hear the full symphonic scores I write in my sleep. Every once in a while, I can hum it after I wake, but once I start getting distracted by waking life, it usually disappears forever. Then I'm only left with the memory that it was something amazing at the time.
 
When I was ten, I dreamt a pop song. I wrote it down, even tried to score it in a naive way. I was very pleased with it, and planned (as a young kid would) to release it when I got older.

A few months later, it was released, by a pop group. They'd stolen my song! I've never managed to work out what was going on there.

With hindsight, it was a terrible song, even for the seventies.
 
Lol at the pop song and Chinese philosopher story..

Hmm, I think you've got a point, HareB. Maybe it just seemed that way and when I start that journal I should focus on insights and plot points instead of the exact words I was 'writing'. And thanks for the classic dream journal solution, Mall. I'm pretty positive I've heard about it before.. strange that it didn't cross my mind for this particular problem.

- Dreir -
 
Hey Hare Brain, what was it that the Chinese man said? (even if it was nonsense)




I dream a lot and I do plan to use some of it in my writing. My dreaming is very detailed and occasionally more 'real' than the real life. Some dreams I can remember at any time but some I have to be in the right 'mode' to recollect. When I was writing my short story in earnest, I was narrating the whole time and eventually it spilled into my dreams - so I'd be dreaming and there would be this voice in the background narrating the whole thing. It got a bit much and thankfully it's now stopped.

I think that remembering your dreams is a matter of practice, but you also have to set up an intent to remember them. It also helps to keep a notepad by your bed so you can scribble whatever you need before you are fully awake and your dreams are still fresh.
 
Hey Hare Brain, what was it that the Chinese man said? (even if it was nonsense)

Ah ... *hangs head in shame* I don't know. I woke up muttering to myself, assessed the muttering as nonsense, and went back to sleep, never to recall it. Of course, it could be that had I written it down and gone back to meditate on it later, all the secrets of the universe would have come spilling out of that apparently meaningless phrase. But I have to believe it truly was nonsense so I don't keep kicking myself for letting the Ultimate Answers slip through my fumbling fingers.
 
Well that's rubbish ;) I'm so disappointed, I was all set to learn the secrets of the life, universe and everything. Oh well. I guess I'll just have to keep a look out for Chinese persons in my own dreams. :rolleyes:
 
That's why I keep notepads near my bed. I remember one dream that wants to become a trilogy about witches in a world where they're believed to be all dead. The premise was that the witch trials were real, because the witches they were burning were the first to actually have supernatural powers, and so couldn't control them very well. There was this huge disaster where thousands were killed and whole villages wiped off the map, and everyone everywhere did what they could to kill off the witches. And that was just the background knowledge of the dream.

I dreamt the place twice. In the first one I received what wiccans would call a "magical name". There was a witch in this hidden school (not very a la Harry Potter, actually) who specialised in receiving the magical names the universe would give to the witches, and while she or he was in this trance, singing a verse that would reveal the name, another witch was on hand to write the name down. The name surfaced with me as I woke, repeating itself over and over and over. At first I didn't believe I was remembering accurately as the first half was a psudonymn I'd chosen for myself from Greek mythology, and the other was the name of a goddess from a video game, which instantly made me go "yeah, wtfever." The more I thought about it, though, the more I went "it's symbology. Symbology isn't going to acknowledge the difference between what is or isn't. A game's mythology is just as valid as Greek, because it's telling me to look at what the goddess represents." And from there I accepted it.

Yes, I remember the name even now, but as I received it in a dream in a very sacred way, I'm going down the route of secrecy.

I later dreamt a continuation where the main character, Maggie/me, and her best friend from the hidden schools, were out in the real world. Now, in the previous dream, Maggie had started the school late, which was unheard of. They're all noticed by special witch-finding-witches by a young age, and she was 16. However, once at the school she learned things so quickly she was only there for three years instead of the usual eleven to twelve, despite having started at the bottom with everyone else. On top of that, the teachers had to acknowledge that there was nothing more they could possibly teach her, but that she had only scratched the surface of her abilities, and the rest she would have to learn on her own. A whisper started in the underground to reach the ears of this rather nasty fellow. He decided she would either work with him, or die so that she couldn't possibly pose a threat.

His particular power (everyone had their strengths. Maggie's was most noticeably empathy and psychic things, her best friend was dream magic) was to make potions, including one that granted everlasting life and youth so long as you took it regularly. He'd changed names through the ages and felt secure that no one could ever bind him because they'd never know his real name.

Through reasearch, Maggie and her bff put the links together and somehow (I forget just how) find his real name. He captures Maggie, but she starts a little binding rhyme. The first verse is harmless, but sets up the second, and when she starts he laughs, for he believes any name she has can't be right. Well, second verse comes around and BAM. Bound. Real name. I can never remember what it is on my own, but I wrote it down upon waking, because it was repeating in my mind as I woke.

He doesn't believe her capable of killing him now that he's harmless, and she admits she can't. But her best friend can. And turns around and leaves the room as her bff gets down to the business of putting the screws to him. The idea being that he's dead by the end. Et voila!

Then of course, my bff who has ease in dreamwalking had an intermediate dream about them. That's always fun.
 
Well that's very fascinating! It sounds a lot like what I call 'Dreamschool' and I was going to write about some of the trials and tribulations of that.
Not to go into too fine a detail here, but the biggest problem is always finding the exit. (or getting to the exit in time)..now I think about it, it's a bit Matrix-y I suppose but the exits in Dreamschool are quite unexpected.

Interesting that Names are such a big thing in various magicks. I wonder why that is?
 
It may have to do with essences. Where we have our daily name that our parents gave us, it really doesn't describe our essences. There can be any number of Michael Elis's, there can be only one Ravenwing HallowMoon, a name that ties into the core of you, a name that describes your inner being. Knowing that, those who know your magical name then have influence over you, because they're not saying "curse this Michael Elis", they're honing in on You personally.

That's one of the elements in my dream world. Once a magical name is known, everyone in the school is made aware of it, and they go by Lord or Lady Ravenwing. It's a system of checks and balances so that in the real world, if the underground finds out about you getting out of hand, there's a large number of people capable of reining you in.
 
I just hope that the concept of Names being so important with magic is not done to death already. The most explored concept of magic in my own worlds use Names as keys, too, and I had that long before I ever even heard of Le Guin's Earthsea. It's very depressing when something you thought you came up with in a very original way turns out to have been done decades ago, lol.

HareB, shame on you. You could've solved all of the world's problems if only you'd remembered it. :p

Oh, btw, I also draw lots of maps in my dreams. So I guess I'll have to add a drawing pad to the 'things I must have at my bedside before going to sleep'. :D

- Dreir -
 
I remember once reading a review of a book about a Victorian explorer who went east and smoked a lot of opium. He was convinced that the opium gave him great insight, and so one night he took a notepad with him to record his findings. Apparently, the reviewer said, the explorer awoke the next day to find that he had written "The banana is great, but the skin of the banana is much greater". He was quite disappointed.

I have a feeling that the review was by George Orwell, but I'm not sure. That said, I recently read that part of The Call of Cthulhu was inspired by a dream, so it can't be all bad.
 
Has anyone tried taking nutmeg before they sleep? It's supposed to encourage lucid dreaming. Didn't do that with me, but my dreams were much more vivid.
 
Nutmeg is a hallucinogenic if taken in sufficient doses. Oh, and it's also toxic (in sufficient doses). Clicky here (Wikipedia). In order for it to become psychoactive, you need to eat so much, you're really better off using anything else, taking the strong taste and side effects into account. As far as I know, some of Hildegard of Bingen's (a local 12th century saint) visions are ascribed to having had a strong predilection for the stuff.

However, I have had cases of dream-writing, without drug usage though ;-) Once I wrote in my notebook for an hour(!) at 5 in the morning, I was that impacted by the dream. Writing stuff down immediately after you wake helps immensely, I can still recall the portions I wrote down nearly as vividly as when I dreamt them. I'm not decided on wheter they'd make a story of some sort... most likely something along the lines of 'The Village' (movie).
 
In order for it to become psychoactive, you need to eat so much, you're really better off using anything else, taking the strong taste and side effects into account.

Yeah, I had to have a ton of tinned rice pudding with it. Maybe that was what gave me the vivid dreams.

Can I make a complaint here? My dreams are pants! (Not of pants, note.) Everyone else seems to have dreams in which amazing worlds are created, plot holes resolved, modern versions of Kublai Khan arise fully formed from the murky depths. I call this cheating. Where's the effort? But i only call it cheating because I am very envious. I also have a RL friend who has dreamed the plots of entire novels. My dreams, OTOH, can be very colourful, and no doubt they mean something, but they have as much plot as the most random Monty Python sketch. I have never had a dream that threw up anything I could use in my writing. I hate you all! *sob*
 
LOL HB! I'm sure your dreams could get just as intricate - all you have to do is want them to! (and pay the price, of course muahahahaha)

Never tried nutmeg. Actually, never noticed any correlation between food ingestion and dreams other than the really obvious stuff *cough cough*:eek:
 

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