Just finished reading Farseer sextology - it can't be finished can it?

[Springer]

there is too much that still needs tying up.

i loved it utterly and thoroughly havne't enjoyed a fantasy series as much as this for a long long time. WEll writtten Robin Margaret Hobb Lindholm
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but it can't be finished. will fitz ever get rewarded for all his done?

i mean the guy has done enough for 2 kings over.. i kinda feel sad that he never sees public recogniition for basically being the person who has saved his kingdom twice and possibly the world as well.

i really kinda hoped that he would actually reign as King Fitz and then have Dutiful succeed him when he's around 40.

Dutiful never gets to learn the true origin of his birth, that Fitz is actually his half-dad .. there are so many juicy elements for drama yet.

Hap never realises who exactly his step father has been for all these years either.

We never learn if Fitz develops the fulness of his wit and skill prowress, Robin hints that there is a lot more to the WIt than has so far been revealed, and fitz has gone to zones within the skill that seem to have completley removed the blocks caused by Galen and Elfsbark... of his potential, didn't Verity feel that Fitz was in potential stronger than even he in the skill? so we see the second trilogy where Fitz begins to wield the skill, and we find out that he can rise to his natural potential ..i.e the damage to the skill caused by Galen and Elfsbark aren't permaenent.

THere is so much more though. THere is still the issue with Chalced states left to be resolved i sense greater war there. The Fool and the Black man surely have more stuff ahead of them, not to mention the two dragons.

and there was too much been hinted by everyone that a Fitz won't get the quiet life settled down for the rest of his days that he has always craved, but will get a compromise.


I think the universe has one final Epic trilogy.

Most of all it would be great to see his name finally cleared in public and being honoured for saving his people in such a legendary fashion... afterall, it is because of Fitz the entire line is named Farseer "the future reached back into the past and called your line Farseer because of what you would do..."

or something like that is what the fool tells him. I just can't see it ending with Fitz in hiding and anonymous, even though he is happy and content with that, to me that makes him even more noble and even more worthy of the King his actions shurely declare him to be.. i just hope when Robin writes it she would display him in such style, it could be really really good.


The final trilogy I can imagine will off course have Fitz at the centre, probably start about 2 to 5 years after Fool's Fate.

I imagine some extra skill healing will probably give him the vigour and appearance of a 28 year old, seeing that his lived most of 25-37, appearing 10 years older than he is due to what he suffered.

I imagine the adventure will also conclude what happens to Chade.

Certainly we can see character developments for Dutiful, Elliana Narcheska, Nettle, Swift - but I suspect we shall see a proper adventure with Fitz and The Fool, that will combine elements from all the previous books including the Liveship Traders.

There is too much left un-concluded, I finished the Fool's Fate hungry more than ever for grand finale trilogy.

I suspect greater trouble will come from that Monastary School that the white prophets originate from, something caused the false prophet to be so .. un checked, and there is still the rest of the world where new danger can arise and finally
...

we also need to witness the return of the Elderlings, although I think that we are going to see in the new book coming in next year... can't wait.

 

[Springer]

The first trilogy was the more epic storyline, or at least it was presented that way, the danger and teh stakes appear higher than they do in the Second trilogy although we are told more is at stake in the second trilogy including all the hard work of the first that could be undone, but it isn't presented as nearly as desperate a struggle as is shown in the first trilogy.

The second trilogy has a more intricate character development, the quality of writing is also improved, I mean Robin's pen is a master stroke that teases the reader and has you completely in it's thrall, as much for the drama as for the adventure, the in-depth description of Fitz, the complex multitude emotions are described with astonishing skill.

Definitely a 3rd trilogy is warranted. One that combines an epic scale adventure that comes out better in the first 3 novels, with the story telling intrigue and complex interactions that are masterfully stroked in the second would make it a formidable, formidable tale.

 

[Pyan]

Well, I believe that she's said that the story of Fitz is ended as far as she's concerned...but if you want more Hobb, there's always her latest trilogy:

Soldier Son Trilogy

(OK for spoilers if you don't click on links inside)

 

[Springer]

Well, I believe that she's said that the story of Fitz is ended as far as she's concerned...but if you want more Hobb, there's always her latest trilogy:



(OK for spoilers if you don't click on links inside)

yeah, she did, she said she didn't think there would be, that means it's still possible. but i mean,, there has to be, it's such a good story, and there is still a bit too much left to be told, she certainly has enough material to make a final trilogy at least, and you know hwat i hope she does, cos i'd be the first one queuing up to get a copy

 

[Pyan]

As a matter of interest, why do you call it a sextology? I would have said it's a nonology, if there was such a word - three trilogies...

 

[Wiggum]

I was wondering the same thing Pyan.

Nine books do not a sextology make.

 

[Springer]

that's because i'm only considering the aspect of the universe that deals with the six duchies and the Farseers directly, the Liveship trilogy, whiles is in the same universe but not quite of the same story, counting it amongst the FarseerTawny man chain would be like adding all those pre-quels /sequels and parallel stories oin the star wars universe to the Phantom Menance/Clonewars/RevengeoS/New Hope/Empire S Back/Return o Jedi sextolgy making it an infinology.

you get my jist, that's why i said sextology, she could write a final trilogy that combines the characters and events from both series into a grand finale trilogy, which would be even more interesting.

 

[Pyan]

Umm.. yes, I can see what you mean.

But the Liveships books do have characters from the other two in them, are set chronologically between them, and, IMHO, contain storylines and developments that are essential for the full comprehension of the Tawny Man books.

I don't think the parallel can be drawn with the "Star Wars" spin-offs either, really, as they are all written by different writers to the original screenplay author, whereas Liveships is not a spin-off and is very much a Hobb product.

Just my

 

[Wiggum]

I understand that Liveship seems distant to the other trilogies, but it is integral to the overall series.

Plus, it's really fun to read.

Outside of that, what Pyan said.

 

[Lysalis]

but it can't be finished. will fitz ever get rewarded for all his done?

i mean the guy has done enough for 2 kings over.. i kinda feel sad that he never sees public recogniition for basically being the person who has saved his kingdom twice and possibly the world as well.

i really kinda hoped that he would actually reign as King Fitz and then have Dutiful succeed him when he's around 40.

Dutiful never gets to learn the true origin of his birth, that Fitz is actually his half-dad .. there are so many juicy elements for drama yet.

Hap never realises who exactly his step father has been for all these years either.

Most of all it would be great to see his name finally cleared in public and being honoured for saving his people in such a legendary fashion... afterall, it is because of Fitz the entire line is named Farseer "the future reached back into the past and called your line Farseer because of what you would do..."

Yes, I think all of us want that for Fitz, that he gets some justice, some fame, some compensation for all he went through, our poor, poor Fitz. However, Fitz could have had all of it, but he didn't want it, and never did, that is not like Fitz.
And in weird way I loved the end of Fool's Fate (actually the best ending of a book I've ever read):

" I have Molly and she is enough for me, and more.
I am content "

*Heart melts*

 

[Pyan]

Part of me agrees, Lysalis: but the rest wants to pick Fitz up, give him a damn good shaking, and tell him what a total wimp he is, and to stand up for himself for once.

 

[Lysalis]

Part of me agrees, Lysalis: but the rest wants to pick Fitz up, give him a damn good shaking, and tell him what a total wimp he is, and to stand up for himself for once.

Yeah, I understand you very well. I had the urge to do exactly that, all the time while I was reading it. I was always telling Fitz: Come on Fitz, do something, kick yourself, don't let them do that to you, dont be such a..., just do something!

 

[Springer]

you see for me, that's what makes it the even more enjoyable, the many moments you do actually just want to pick him up and kick some sense into him, as you are willing him to do something.

Robin does tease us so well, it really is part of what makes the book so enjoyable, however despite that you do still want him to final get the full load of recognition etc. I mean despite everything, Fitz she is written as a king,


i mean, what he does is Kingly in every repsect, the sort of King you would have a nation lay down their life for love how she reminds us of that every time we get to Kettricken who continually affirms that Fitz is Sacrifice for the Six Duchies..

You know just before he disappears in the stone towards the end of the Fool's Fate, I thought that he was actually going to get the crown, after all that teasing, i don't think i have ever been so excited about an outcome in any book i've read, i literally jumped up saying YES, YEs.. fortunately i was by myself at home not in public because I don't think i could have stopped myself.

Then the next chapter change it all, and i ust view it as an opening for a final trilogy if she chooses to do one, if he did ascend the throne and his deeds be known, it would have been a true conclusion although she could always write something else, it is sort of the thing we all want to see most.


Anyway, i view his last statements "I am content" not as a finale but a very expressive statement of what sums up his character, which makes him even more noble in my eyes. Off course there is no way his life will continue like that realistically, he must find contentment in finally being able to let himself love milly and show her whiles fulfilling his "blood" responsibilities, afterall, we all have periods of tranquil contentment and happiness when are lives become very simple and pleasant, but they never last, soon trouble comes calling for some of our own doing for many not at all, that demands we do something, whiles we go off to be heroes in our different walks of life, we must draw happiness and contentment from the things that are most dear to us.

Definitely another adventure in store, the charm woman remember predicts that he has a love in his life, who will be part of him and will move in and out of his life over a cuase. i think this love is actulally the Fool and not Molly, but she could mean Molly. Either character wise, there is certainly room for another trilogy

 

[Overread]

I never saw Fitz as being one to get or even take the crown - he just does not have that personal drive and self confidence to rule over a people - the background is where he operates best from (though a good deal of that nessessity is by his own actions) - he prefers to go unseen.

also direct from the Hobb FAQ

What are you currently working on?
I’m currently (November 2007)beginning work on a stand alone book. The working title for it is Dragon Keeper, but I think that is likely to change as I get more pages. This book is set in the Rain Wilds, and chronologically, the events in it happen after the events described in Fool's Fate. It will not be a direct continuation of any character's story line, however. At this point, I don't want to say too much more than that.

wes get more dragon!

 

[Hilarious Joke]

I strongly disagree.

First in terms of picking up Fitz and kicking him, I completely understood why he did everything that he did in the books, and I was staggered by how much he sacrificed for others.

Second, it would have felt (imho of course) very wrong if Fitz had become King. The poor guy had served his kingdom and all he wanted and all he deserved was a quiet life with Molly. And I am so glad he got it, that finished the series perfectly for me.

Thirdly, 'I am content.' seems very much to me a resolution. I found those three words overwhelming in reflection of the epic journey he had undertaken.

And finally, I don't think there's room for another series involving Fitz, nor should there be. Perhaps, though, a side one in the same brilliant universe, kind of like the Liveship books.

EDIT: Holy smokes! OR just said there would be such a book! Yay!

 

[dreir]

I for one agree with Hilarious that the Fitz story is, and should be, over. Don't get me wrong, I love him and the books and would definitely buy them if there were more, but I think how it ultimately ended is the most realistic and poignant moment that Hobb could have striven for. Sure, Fitz doesn't get the recognition that he is due, but so do many other good people, both in fantasy worlds and in the real world. I think that is also one of the most important messages in the story; that Fitz had tried to do the best he could without any regard for rewards or recognition. Sure, there seem to be many threads that could be picked up for more stories (although in Fitz's case, probably much less epic ones), but should the world become completely peaceful and at ease and thus boringly nice just because a couple big threats have been overcome? I think not. By not resolving every single question in the story, Hobb has left a more lasting impression (on me, at least) of a world that truly exists and continues to grow and no doubt face more challenges on the way, despite me not being privy to how they unfold. As Fitz said, 'I am content' if Hobb leaves things the way they are.

A book about different characters in the same world - now that is another story..

- Dreir -

 

[Hilarious Joke]

I for one agree with Hilarious that the Fitz story is, and should be, over. Don't get me wrong, I love him

You love me? Well that's nice! Oh wait, you meant Fitz.

 

[Overread]

yeps I think Hobb also says a much- that she does not want to continue on Fitz's tale and that for her his story is over.
We might see a tale of his son though - comming to the throne of the Farseers - especially with the changes in the world and the dragon - also there is the land of Chad (?) with its slaves - that we have seen little to nothing of save that its a common evil in the world.

With the dragons I expect to certainly see a return of Malta and her lover/husband in the story and it will be interesting to see how the dragons are going to work out - the weaker hatchlings from the liveship books and the newer brood from the mating of the two dragons.

 

[Springer]

i dunno, to me, Fitz portrays the hallmarks of a legendary ruler.

A great ruler normally is not the one that desires power or maneouvres for it, it's more like thrust upon him as he achieves one great success after another only following his conviction of doing what he earnestly believes is right.

Normally the really great ones never desire power, that attribute gives them you could say, the moral fibre to endure through leadership without getting corrupted by the lure power.

I think fitz would make an excellent King, he displays the finest characteristics and all his time from the shadows, knowing in full detail the inner and secret workings of the throne, he has been far more prepped for the job than dutiful. He is also quite sharp and adept at court as we see him do exceptionally well grasping it's workings and guiding the then young Kettricken in the first trilogy.

Selfless, heroic, intelligent, enchanted, who puts his people above himself, , fitz has been doing the role of a monarch anyway, he is in the thick of every major decision made often enough the one both Kett and chade look to..

i mean he has all the makings of a great ruler and one who has been serving them as the greatest amongst them, and he more so than any of the others has been trained. Chade has trained fitz to be far more than an assassin. IT is to serve his people, and fitz has learned that better than anyone else and demonstrated it in equally remarkable style.

The only thing he is not use to is having strange people look up to him. his close friends which include the reigning monarch, all acknowledge him, follow his lead.. i mean it's all there.

He is basically a king in waiting, and his at quite the right age to take up a throne.

What i don't see Fitz doing is sitting down in a chair every day, however even if an adventure comes along that has him ascend the throne early on in it or at mid-way point, there is enough that goes on at the court to fill an entire book. Wasn't the Royal Assassin almost entirely written with Fitz at buck keep? and Kings certainly go out on quests

hmm.. but then i see the point, as long as Fitz remains a main character, he very likely cannot sit on the throne, he can only ever become King for a brief period of time or at the point he ceases to become the main adventurer,

So a final adventure with Fitz as main character must see him do it without a throne, it could end with him on the throne though and later books could involve him but not have him as the main character.

on another note, maybe he is destined to become something more than King of the Six Duchies..as Catalyst he certainly is i suppose.

I conclude that Fitz doesn't need to be King
The throne could only be given to him if he is not the main character or at the end of a tale where he is the main character. [though that isn't necessarily true, it is not unheard off for rulers to do most of the stuff themselves, in fact the most remarkable ones tend to, so scrap that.)
Fitz and the fool continuing on could be a good thing,

 

[Conan]

I for one agree with Hilarious that the Fitz story is, and should be, over. Don't get me wrong, I love him and the books and would definitely buy them if there were more, but I think how it ultimately ended is the most realistic and poignant moment that Hobb could have striven for.

- Dreir -

woah.. Those weddings were so not realistic, Fitz started alone, he should have ended alone (or with Web or Chade or Swift)