strategy of the feast

[mercury]

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at the end of aSoS most great houses are decapitated, tawin lanister, balon grejoy and eddard stark are dead, stanis is in the north - can not participate in the game.

can that mean new players will arise to win the game? probably yes.

candidates -

Little finger - lord of harrenhall and the arry.

in power, but out of caricature. little finger like to act behind the sense, who will he support?

lord ferry - most probable he will lunch a campaign, now in power, made arrogant by his success -The perfect pone for little finger.

the leach lord - holds the north in the name of the lanisters, but remember, by his words dredfort is to remote to be threatened by the southern armies ,the grejoys occupied by the death of balon are in no condition to attack him. Only stanis on the wall proposes a treat. The dynamics between the two will be very interesting, with stanis fanatic and one-dimensional pov, and (what’s his name, the leach lord of dreadfort) Machiavellian attitude.



The tyrels – Maice “the puff fish” tairel will automatically lunch for the throne, will the queen of thorns support him? Will her advise guard him against the plots of little finger?



The dornish – we do not know nearly enough about them, they might do any thing now that their prince is dead and they hold many of the cards.



And finally , the affect of individuals – the master of spies and his support for dany, the return of magic and power of it’s wilders (bran), Tyrion lanister and arya stark can toss ane caculation out of the window.





place yure bets. who will face dany when she finaly land on westerose?

 

[Brian G Turner]

Added "Spoilers" warning to above post, for those of us who haven't yet read aSoS.

 

[mercury]

sorry

 

[hodor]

Tis okay mate. Just to let you know... if you post about a book and give away anything about anything someone who hasnt read the book might figure out, just type SPOILERS before your post so people will know.

Other than that you have given some good insights as a reader. What do you think about some of the other theories we have going on here?

 

[mercury]

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well, I think the jon snow/targarin thing is quite sound (by the way , not native speaker, expect spelling mistakes). but according to the FoC chapter of dany she has some major issues to solve before invasion (man eating dragons, rebellion in her city, un trained army). So the others attack should proceed her coming.



I expect arya and bran to complete their training as a mage and assassin before that happens and the followers of the dark god (“anti roare”) are yet to appear.



The time of chaos is just beginning and it may take the hole FoC before the pov’s that strayed across the sea and beyond the wall are to return to westerose.

 

[hodor]

spoiler********************************



well, I think the jon snow/targarin thing is quite sound (by the way , not native speaker, expect spelling mistakes). but according to the FoC chapter of dany she has some major issues to solve before invasion (man eating dragons, rebellion in her city, un trained army). So the others attack should proceed her coming.



I expect arya and bran to complete their training as a mage and assassin before that happens and the followers of the dark god (“anti roare”) are yet to appear.



The time of chaos is just beginning and it may take the hole FoC before the pov’s that strayed across the sea and beyond the wall are to return to westerose.

Jon as a Targ is sound for me too. I must say good to have you join the forums!!! You should do an introduction in the "indroduction" section. Tis okay if you are not a native speaker we got a few of those among us. Where are you from and what authors do you like? If you get to the introduction section go into detail about those we would like to know about you.

 

[andyn]

I would just like add a few comments if i may.

Firstly with House of Tyrell, i think Tommen will be married of to Margery Tyrell.

Cersei will see to this, as it ties the Tyrells to House Lannister.

Will Dorne accept the hound's execution as suitable revenge for the rape and Murder of Elia Dorne? On the surface maybe, but they will be looking to strike when an opportunity occurs. With Dany heading to Westoros, they would make natural allies.
Reading the SOS, i do not see Stannis as a fanatic, his wife is certainly one, but his confidence was shattered by the battle on the Blackwater. His idea of allowing the free folk to settle behind the wall shows a pragmatic man not a fanatic.
Reese Bolton will i think struggle as he will be caught between Littlefinger, The Freys and Stannis and Jon.
Jon i think was resuced by Ned and is Elia's child, hence that is why he refused to tell Catelyn who the mother was, as that would have been a death sentence for both Jon and Ned.
Tyrion will i feel meet up with Ayra and they will join up with Dany.
Of all the great characters in the book, the two who interest me are Jamie and Tyrion.
And i feel Jamie after spending time with Brienne, will eventually turn against Cersei.

 

[LadyFel]

Well...just a quick note on the last post by Andyn... SPOILERS POSSIBLE




I agree that Tommen and Margery will probably end up marrying, as much through the Tyrells insistence as Cersei's scheming, it's been mentioned already - There is no way they can return to Stannis in good conscience, considering they backed first Renly and then the Lannisters against him...They must be aware by now that their lot is cast and they need another strog alliance to withstand his possible vengeance...

As for Dorne... (btw, it's the Mountain's, not the Hound's head they call for, Sandor had nothing to do with the rape and murder) I really have no idea what they might do - I think they may be placated by the fact that not only is Gregor Clegane going down, but Tywin Lannister, the man who gave the order to do this (as they have believed and he admitted to Tyrion) is also dead...I can't see them taking their revenge on innocents, especially now that the Red Viper is dead...his brother seems to be a slightly more gentle person, someone who thinks things through and goes for what is either right or most advantageous to him, rather than folloeing his instinct for revenge...Oberyn said as much to Tyron when he first arrived - that they were lucky HE wasn't born first...

Stannis isn't a true fanatic as far as that goes, but I think he's come to realise that he needs Melisandre beside him - as both of them have acknowledged, she had nothing to do with the defeat at the Blackwater battle, he forbade her to join them, or it probably would have been over much earlier...I do think that her belief is flawed in one thing - Stannis CANNOT be Azor Ahai come again, and his sword isn't the true Lightbringer reforged. Maester Aemon asks Jon to describe the sword to him towards the end of the book, and the one thing that strikes both of them is that there is no heat emanating from the sword, and the scabbard is undamaged - if it were the real sword reforged these things would happen...I think Stannis realises this partly and this is why he's not willing to commit totally to M's god...I agree that the settlement of the free folk in Brandon's Gift is a good idea, the question remains will they accept his terms - they bend the knee to no one...

Roose Bolton...I hope he rots in hell with no leeches available for his fetish, and I hope Frey joins him there I wonder what he'll do now, once he hears that Tywin and Joffrey are dead - considering that he cast his lot with them. I can't remember how many people know of his cloak turning - Cersei doesn't if I remember right, ond of those who do, only Varys and Tyrion are still alive...And Tyrion is in no position to go telling tales to anyone other than Dany...

I can't reconcile myself to the idea of Jon being Elia of Dorne's son, there are too many circumstances that point to him being half Stark, not the least neing that Ned tells Arya that she looks a lot like Lyanna did, and the fact that she and Jon share similar looks...Plus the fact that he keeps remembering his promise to Lyanna at times when he's thinking of Jon...I'd still go with the Rheagar + Lyanna = Jon idea...eventually Ned and someone unknown, but even that' stretching my limits

As for Jaime...well...He's sent Brienne off on her quest (nise touch with the sword there), but I think they'll probably meet again, there does seem to be a special connection between them...However, he's going to be facing BIG problems, again courtesy of Bolton and the Freys, as the last thing Catelyn heard before dying was 'Jaime Lannister sends his regards'...I think she'll be out for revenge, no holds barred there...

Tired...must sleep...Night...

 

[Fitz]

*******SPOILERS******!



at the end of aSoS most great houses are decapitated, tawin lanister, balon grejoy and eddard stark are dead, stanis is in the north - can not participate in the game.

can that mean new players will arise to win the game? probably yes.

Hmmm, interesting... Its very possible that new players will arise, but the people you have mentioned seem unlikely. (I can't remember all the details of the books since i read it a while ago, so if i say anything that might be wrong, please forgive me) but the people you have mentioned, like Littlefinger, may play an important role in the outcome, but they will not be the ones actually SITTING on the throne, simply because I don't believe they have the support fromt he bigger houses.
As fot the Tyrells, I agree with others saying that Tommen and Magery will marry and the Tyrells will probably put their money on her (so to speak).
And as for Jon being Elia's son, that seems highly unlikely...

 

[mercury]

the base of politics in grr wiritigs is that some personas - ned, staniss, bristian the bold,jaime, tyrion, the red viper, the spider - hold some form or another of etics and honor. they are there for naive and predicteble in thire goals to some extent. one other hend, cercy lanister, late lord ferry, lord bolton, mece tyrel, little finger and others are focusd only in thir self impowerment.

there for the tyrels ,ferys and boltons are not very loyal banerman of the lanisters. withe the arc politicians scaming (litlefiger, the spider, and the queen of thorns to some extent) the seat of cercy, and consequently tomen is very shaiky.

my prediction is that by the time dany shell come to the relm a fery/ tyrel domination is posible depends on littlefinger chooses as his pone. in the north, the rule of bolton will be treathend by oviesly unruly houses - umbars for example, loyal to stanis (thay know jon, they are the ones most directly exposd to northen invaision). all depends on thire reaction to wildlings, and the outcome of the grejois choosing.

one posible outcome of the short term politics of narow minded nobles is the embrace of dany by comoners (knights of the hollow tree for one) as thire savior.

 

[LadyFel]

Well...I wouldn't really put the Spider in the same category with Ned and Jaime...The man has absolutely no code of ethics or morals, he's willing to sacrifice and betray anyone and anything for what he considers is a greater good...else he would have been long dead.

I hate to say it, but I didn't really get your meaning in the rest of the post, about Littlefinger's pawn and that...But as for the commoners embracing anyone, I don't really think it makes much difference - peasants and servants more or less don't care who's sitting the throne because it doesn't really affect them in the long run - crops are planted, people are born and die no matter who is king.

And as for Dany...I hate to admit that I'm not really too sure how anyone will take her arrival - not so much because she is an unknown quantity in the Seven kingdoms, but because of her dragons - her spoiler chapter ended with her being presented the bones of a child one of her dragons had killed...I doubt anyone will be too happy about the idea of three fully grown dragons burning their way through the country which will make her pretty unpopular

 

[mercury]

the spider would surly betray any single person in westerose, but for what he perceive as the good of the realm. in that he defers from little finger - the most loathsome caricature in the book in my opinion. The spider tries to make the best he can FOR EVERYONE .no single house or noble deserves his loyalty. This gives him a very sophisticated moral code. His great failure is his slay ways and willing to sacrifice anything and anyone for the sake of the cause. By my definition - fanaticism.

As for the second part. Of the less moral personas I find little finger as the most intelligent and well connected person. No single great house holds any grudge towards him and he holds by title harehall ant the airy, ant the armies that come with them. from this position he has the best chance for the iron throne. But little finger like to operate behind the sense. The royal position dose not fit well with his methods. There for he will promote a pone - probably a rose or maybe the twin towers and rule from the shadows - the natural position of the rat.

 

[AryaUnderfoot]

And as for Dany...I hate to admit that I'm not really too sure how anyone will take her arrival - not so much because she is an unknown quantity in the Seven kingdoms, but because of her dragons - her spoiler chapter ended with her being presented the bones of a child one of her dragons had killed...I doubt anyone will be too happy about the idea of three fully grown dragons burning their way through the country which will make her pretty unpopular

I read that one too, LadyFel. I think that this particular dilemma makes Bran essential to the story. I think that he will hone his powers as a Warg and thus be able to keep Dany's dragons in check.

As for Dany being well received or not in Westeros, to some extent it makes little difference to the smallfolk. However, Dany seems to care for the lesser peoples a great deal, and she tends to inspire love and adoration in those sorts. I have a feeling she'll do well, provided she can harness her dragons.

 

[andyn]

I think that it will ultimately come down to 3 factions, Jon and those who support him, people like Stannis, the Free Folk and the night watch.. Also Littlefinger still has a burning love for Sansa, so he may side with the starks or certainly not against them.
The Lannister, Frey and Martell's in another camp and finally Dany. What i picked up in the last book, Dorne were very loyal to the House Targaryen. With Tyrion possibly turning up in Dany's retinue. Things could take an interesting turn.
I know the night watch is meant to keep out of the politics of the realm, but with Stannis being there, they are now involved.
I also feel, that those on the wall will need Dany's Dragons to defeat the Unnamed one and The Others.
Sam's blade was made with Obsidan or Dragonglass as it called. And it and fire are the only things that can destroy the wights.

 

[AryaUnderfoot]

Sam's blade was made with Obsidan or Dragonglass as it called. And it and fire are the only things that can destroy the wights.

Just a clarification here- Dragonglass can't destroy the wights, only fire can do that. Remember, Sam's dragonglass dagger shattered when he tried to stab Small Paul with it. The dragonglass only serves to slaughter the Others.

 

[andyn]

Yes it did break but it was due to the fact when Sam used it, he stabbed Small Paul's Mail shirt and "the blade shattered on the iron mail beneath the wool."
So it can,as most wights do not wear iron mail armour. Small Paul was a member of the night watch and hence he wore armour, before he died.

 

[AryaUnderfoot]

But Sam never used it on a wight and successfully killed it. He only used it on an Other. In addition, I believe Melisandre said something about what weapons they would use in the battle for each particular type of enemy (can't remember if it was in the last Jon chapter in ASoS or the spoiler one for AFFC).

 

[LadyFel]

But aren't the Wights and the Others basically two names for the same thing? that's the way I saw it...

 

[AryaUnderfoot]

No, the Others are sentient beings, meaning they think and act accordingly. They are able to transform the dead into wights- in other words, an Other made Small Paul into basically a zombie. But they are two different things. That's one more reason why the Others are so creepy- they can think, they aren't just dead guys shuffling through the snow.

 

[LadyFel]

You have a point there...But still...if the Others are vulnerable to dragonglass, the zombies they make would be even more so...