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It seems with the Death of Joff...Myrcella is the heir. The rules of King's Landing don't include her but I seem to remember that Dorne rules include females in the line to rule. Myr. is down in Dorne.

I suspect she will be married off to some Dorne prince and declared Queen of the seven kingdoms, with Dorne "advisors". This will put her at odds with the other lannisters and Tommen, but the Dornes will seize the power.

On a side not I don't think the Mountain will die from his poison or execution by Dorne. I think he is meant to be killed by the hound...who I also dont think is dead. When Mry is declared queen, the Lannisters wont ship the ountain off to die.
 
WinterIsComing said:
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It seems with the Death of Joff...Myrcella is the heir. The rules of King's Landing don't include her but I seem to remember that Dorne rules include females in the line to rule. Myr. is down in Dorne.

I suspect she will be married off to some Dorne prince and declared Queen of the seven kingdoms, with Dorne "advisors". This will put her at odds with the other lannisters and Tommen, but the Dornes will seize the power.

On a side not I don't think the Mountain will die from his poison or execution by Dorne. I think he is meant to be killed by the hound...who I also dont think is dead. When Mry is declared queen, the Lannisters wont ship the ountain off to die.
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Hmmm. It just may be that you have something there. I think that if that happened, the bad blood between the Tyrells and the Dornishmen would definitely start up again.

As for the Mountain, I wish he would die, but I do agree that it would be nice if the Hound were the one to kill him. However, I don't see the Hound as being the type who can ever be happy, so killing his brother probably won't bring him much joy. I'm wondering if the Hound will seek out Sansa at any point? Perhaps he and Brienne will meet up somehow and compare ideas on knights and knighthood. Ha, that would be interesting to read...
 
I think the Hound is dead. I don't see how he could survive. From what I can recall of the last time I read ASoS, he was pretty well a breath or two from being a feast for crows (bad pun intended). So if anyone thinks he's gonna pull through, I'd be interested to hear how exactly...
 
I agree that we haven't seen the last of ser Gregor. Now that Cersei has given him over to her evil maester as some sort of experiment, something tells me he will be transformed in some way.
 
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The Hound may well be dead, but, if so, not for long. Recall that Lord Beric and Thoros are in the vicinity, and they have already returned Catelyn to the living. They may do the same for the Hound. Now if the "resurrected" Hound and the evil/mutated/disfigured Mountain ever clash - that would make for an interesting battle.
 
red_temple said:
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The Hound may well be dead, but, if so, not for long. Recall that Lord Beric and Thoros are in the vicinity, and they have already returned Catelyn to the living. They may do the same for the Hound. Now if the "resurrected" Hound and the evil/mutated/disfigured Mountain ever clash - that would make for an interesting battle.
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That would be a fight I'd pay to see. But what possible reason could they have for bringing back the Hound?
 
Young Wolf said:
That would be a fight I'd pay to see. But what possible reason could they have for bringing back the Hound?
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Well, if it came to that, they could bring back the Hound simply because they have a need for seasoned fighters. Not to mention, who better to kill the Mountain, who won't just DIE ALREADY! than a dead guy who's been bent on killing him for nearly all of his life? However, I'm not sure if I see that one coming to pass.

I think he'll live, because let's face it, he's got the strong Clegane blood in him, and he's pulled through some pretty awful injuries before. He may simply be very weak, or lose his ability to fight, which would certainly go against his wishes.

I hope we're not through with him yet. I'm not satisfied with the idea of him just lying under a tree and dying that way.
 
Perhaps with the kings mens's and Catelyn's sense of justice they will feel the need to try the hound for his crimes or perhaps make him suffer. THey may also find him on the brink of death and Thoros could bring him back or maybe they'll find some trace of Arya on him and bring him back to get some answers in that matter.
 
George has confirmed that the fates of the Clegane brothers at the end of ASOS are intended to be 'cliffhangers': in other words, they might live or they might die. It's not certain either way.

I personally doubt that he will kill Sandor yet, even if he has the option of bringing him back as a Beric-style resurrection.

On that point, recall that it is not Thoros who chooses who to bring back. He routinely administers the last rites of his religion to many people: and apparently, he has no control over whether that brings them back to life. It's worked only with two people to date - Cat and Beric.

My personal opinion is that R'hllor brings back only those who have a strong unfulfilled drive for revenge. That fits Sandor, of course.;)
 
I don't know if I like very much this thing of bringing people back... we have Beric, Cat, the people from Aeron and the Drowned God... now it seems that Qyburn will bring Gregor back... and if the hound dies and they bring him back again...
"good" dead versus "bad" dead... somehow I expected a little more from GRRM...
 
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I don't know if I like very much this thing of bringing people back... we have Beric, Cat, the people from Aeron and the Drowned God... now it seems that Qyburn will bring Gregor back... and if the hound dies and they bring him back again...
"good" dead versus "bad" dead... somehow I expected a little more from GRRM...
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Shaggy, I agree that if this "bringing back the dead" concept is overdone, Martin may find himself writing some very corny(for lack of a better word) stuff, like 80% of fantasy writers. But we must remember that most of this is speculation and we need to wait and see where he goes with it. I personally think we won't be disappointed. Remember Jon's first encounter with a Wight in Commander Mormont's tower? That was pretty scary.

P.S. - I may be alone in this, but I've always thought it would be cool if Robb was brought back from the dead with the head of a wolf.
 
Young Wolf said:
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P.S. - I may be alone in this, but I've always thought it would be cool if Robb was brought back from the dead with the head of a wolf.
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Hmmm. I think if that were the case he'd be a complete monster. Grey Wind's mind with Robb's body- let's hope that Jeyne Westerling would file for divorce.

I agree that the bringing back the dead thing should remain a limited part of the novel- especially on the "good guys'" side. It blurs the lines between good and evil a bit, I think. At least Catelyn won't be such a stick in the mud anymore, though.
 
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I personally doubt that he will kill Sandor yet, even if he has the option of bringing him back as a Beric-style resurrection.
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I agree - we last saw Sandor injured and fighting off what seemed like a serious infection of the leg. But there's no reason to assume it would have to be fatal.

I don't think we'll see Gregor dead either - the whole Clegane sub-plot seems pivoted upon Sandor eventually killing his brother, though he may have to go with him. Either way, the build up in tat arena in the first three volumes suggests we'll still see both at work to some degree, though of course Beric could always intervene - though hopefully not, as this would almost suggest George Martin having to rely on deus ex machina to sustain his plots, which would be a dangerous move.
 
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Not to mention, who better to kill the Mountain, who won't just DIE ALREADY! than a dead guy [Sandor] who's been bent on killing him for nearly all of his life?
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No, no. Beric Dondarrion will kill Gregor Clegane, fulfilling the task that Eddard Stark set for him. This will free Beric from whatever bonds that R'Hllor (sic) placed on him and allow him to die.

This is pure speculation of course but it makes some kind of sense doesn't it?
 
Jinglehopper said:
This is pure speculation of course but it makes some kind of sense doesn't it?
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It does, actually - but as Beric already met Sandor, and let him live - even though Sandor simply lives to kill Gregor - then that perhaps brings about a conflict?

Also - isn't Beric simply supposed to bring Gregor before justice? If so, it would be interesting if it requires Sandor to actually deliver it?
 
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Also - isn't Beric simply supposed to bring Gregor before justice? If so, it would be interesting if it requires Sandor to actually deliver it?
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Hear, hear. I for one would be disappointed if Sandor wasn't instrumental in Gregor's death. It's really the only reason he has for living, anyway.
 
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