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Hello to all from a first time poster. I have been hanging around here for some time, building the courage to post, so please nothing too harsh just yet. The piece below is the beginning of chapter one of my most recent project (there are many previous efforts too awful to see the light of day).
To me the below seems to lack that immediate hook to draw the reader in deeper and keep those pages turning. All opinions on grammar/content welcomed.


‘Drunk again, former sergeant?’ a voice demanded, dragging Palm from a deep sleep. Harsh light flooded the tent through the open flap causing Palm to screw his eyes in discomfort.

‘Not drunk, Sarmius,’ Palm corrected groggily, lifting his head from the thin bedroll and glaring at the intruder through eyes that struggled to focus. ‘Hung-over.’ His throat was dry and his head pounding.

Palm’s commanding officer stood framed in bright sunlight, his upper body leaning inside the tent. His slack, open mouth and beardless chin made him look even less like a man than usual. ‘Why do you keep doing this?’ He said finally.

‘Doing what?’

‘You do well and receive a promotion. Then you do something stupid and get yourself demoted straight back to the ranks.’

‘Seemed like a good idea at the time.’

‘Sir,’ Sarmius added.

‘What?’

‘You should call me sir.’

Palm thought he sounded nothing more than petulant child. ‘Whatever,’ he dismissed as he sat up. He slowly rose to a hunched-over kneeling position, taking care not to move his head too quickly. Two heavily muscled arms supported his weight on his thighs while he breathed deeply. He slowly lifted a shaking hand and ran calloused fingers through the thick ebony hair tumbled across his face, pushing back the long fringe. His head felt as though someone was squeezing it between powerful hands and his dark eyes were squinted almost shut against the piercing light. His tongue cleaved to the roof of his mouth and the absence of saliva made swallowing difficult.

‘How long has your promotion lasted this time?’

‘Twelve days,’ Palm replied shortly, reaching for the flagon of water he had left at his bedside the previous night. He drank noisily for some moments, not caring that water dribbled down his chin. His stomach churned as the cool liquid filled him and he prayed he would not show weakness in front of Sarmius and vomit it all straight back up.

‘You could be in my position if you stopped acting like a fool.’

‘What, hated by everyone?’ he quipped between mouthfuls.

Sarmius shook his head, a deep frown creasing his brow. He suddenly smiled smugly. ‘You will be pleased to hear it is latrine duty as punishment. You and Torbia get yourselves over there now.’

‘At least I wont have far to go to be sick.’

Sarmius glared in disgust at Palm for a few moments more before leaving the legionnaire to his obvious suffering.

Noises from the other half of the small tent announced the waking of Palm’s friend and tent-mate. ‘Who was that?’ Torbira asked, not even bothering to open his eyes as he spoke.

‘Sarmius.’

‘What did he want?’ Torbia rasped. His voice sounded even rougher than Palm’s own.

To tell me I am not a sergeant anymore.’

‘Again?’

Torbia opened just one bloodshot eye and Palm shrugged. ‘Wasn’t going to last anyway.’

Torbia groaned as he sat upright, his head hanging below his shoulders, his elbows on his knees. ‘Did we do anything stupid last night?’

‘Nothing worse than usual.’

‘Meaning?’

‘I think I had a bet with that soldier from the Ninth I could take him with a sword using my left hand.’

Torbia cursed. ‘How much did we bet?’

Everything I had on me at the time I think.’

Torbia cursed again, this time using even more robust language. ‘Can you beat him?’

‘Probably,’ Palm answered confidently.

‘I know you haven’t lost in competition for years, but everyone is beatable, Palm.’

‘Have faith. Gods, my head is killing me.’

Torbia staggered slightly as he stood up, his head bowed in the shallow tent. ‘So what’s our punishment then?’

‘Latrine duty.’

‘Great. Shovelling other men’s crap.’

‘We do it all the time anyway,’ Palm pointed out dryly.

‘What are you talking about?’

‘I was being metaphorical.’

‘What is that supposed to mean? Remember it is a peasant you are talking to, not one of your old noble born friends.’

Palm also rose from his bedroll, bumping shoulders with Tor as he did. He did not have the energy to explain himself and let the comment pass unanswered, all his focus on the difficult task of staying upright without staggering. The tent smelt of sweat and alcohol and was making Palm’s stomach heave. ‘Come on, let’s get this over with.’

Palm pushed open the tent flap, grimacing as his head pulsed painfully. He then winced as bright sunlight stabbed his eyes like sharp knives, increasing his discomfort and further souring his mood. Even this early in the morning, the heat was oppressive and a cloudless blue sky promised it was only going to get worse. Bird song surrounded them, though today it sounded shrill rather than musical, cutting through him and making his very bones protest. Just the quietest of voices sent a thrumming through his head and even the whisper of a breeze was an irritant. He swore under his breath, hawking and spitting to clear his mouth.

Most of the camp was already awake, men going efficiently about their duties, quietly and with purpose. Palm could smell that the mess tent was nearly ready to serve breakfast, the aroma of bread and meat and porridge hanging thick in the morning air. The clatter of great metal serving pans shattered the stillness and further grated on his nerves. This sound was a clearer indication to the experienced soldiers than a bugle call that they were soon to be fed. Food, however, was the last thing on his mind and he ignored the sounds and heavy scent.

After only one day at this site, the man made paths between the ordered rows of tents were already worn down to backed earth, the long grass being trampled away by the repeated step of many hundreds. Palm led the way along these recently created highways, threading between sun-bleached tents and blackened and dead campfires.
 
Harsh light flooded the tent through the open flap causing Palm to screw his eyes in discomfort.
comma after "flap"

Palm thought he sounded nothing more than petulant child
sounded like?

‘How long has your promotion lasted this time?’
"did your promotion last", as it has finished. Still, I suppose I can't expect the officer to be a stickler for grammar.

his head bowed in the shallow tent
Shallow is down, low is up.

‘At least I wont have far to go to be sick.’
won't

already worn down to backed earth,
packed? baked?
 
Hi and welcome: You'll find some of my critiques can be really picky. Please feel free to ignore them:-

Hello to all from a first time poster. I have been hanging around here for some time, building the courage to post, so please nothing too harsh just yet. The piece below is the beginning of chapter one of my most recent project (there are many previous efforts too awful to see the light of day).
To me the below seems to lack that immediate hook to draw the reader in deeper and keep those pages turning. All opinions on grammar/content welcomed.


‘Drunk again, former sergeant?’ a voice demanded, dragging Palm from a deep sleep. Harsh light flooded the tent through the open flap causing Palm to screw his eyes in discomfort.

‘Not drunk, Sarmius,’ Palm corrected groggily, lifting his head from the thin bedroll and glaring at the intruder through eyes that struggled to focus. ‘Hung-over.’ His throat was dry and his head pounding.

Palm’s commanding officer stood framed in bright sunlight, his upper body leaning inside the tent. His slack, open mouth and beardless chin made him look even less like a man than usual. ( I have a problem with this in that the sun is bright the bloke would be squinting and the bosses face would be in shadow so facial features would be hard to see. If some mention of the effects could be added in it maight be better) ‘Why do you keep doing this?’ He said finally.

‘Doing what?’

‘You do well and receive a promotion. Then you do something stupid and get yourself demoted straight back to the ranks.’

‘Seemed like a good idea at the time.’

‘Sir,’ Sarmius added.

‘What?’

‘You should call me sir.’

Palm thought he sounded nothing more than petulant child. (So far the toen has been cordial and joking -seems odd to introduce a petulant note) ‘Whatever,’ he dismissed as he sat up. He slowly rose to a hunched-over kneeling position, taking care not to move his head too quickly. Two heavily muscled arms supported his weight on his thighs while he breathed deeply. He slowly lifted a shaking hand and ran calloused fingers through the thick ebony hair tumbled across his face, pushing back the long fringe. His head felt as though someone was squeezing it between powerful hands and his dark eyes were squinted almost shut against the piercing light. His tongue cleaved to the roof of his mouth and the absence of saliva made swallowing difficult.

‘How long has your promotion lasted this time?’ (has? I thought he had already lost it in which case did it last would be better)

‘Twelve days,’ Palm replied shortly, reaching for the flagon of water he had left at his bedside the previous night. He drank noisily for some moments, not caring that water dribbled down his chin. His stomach churned as the cool liquid filled him and he prayed he would not show weakness (not really a weakness) in front of Sarmius and vomit it all straight back up.

‘You could be in my position if you stopped acting like a fool.’

‘What, hated by everyone?’ he quipped between mouthfuls.

Sarmius shook his head, a deep frown creasing his brow. He suddenly smiled smugly. ‘You will be pleased to hear it is latrine duty as punishment. You and Torbia get yourselves over there now.’

‘At least I wont have far to go to be sick.’

Sarmius glared in disgust at Palm for a few moments more before leaving the legionnaire to his obvious suffering.

Noises from the other half of the small tent announced the waking of Palm’s friend and tent-mate. ‘Who was that?’ Torbira asked, not even bothering to open his eyes as he spoke. (Normally sergents don't wake just one occupant of atent if they are 'sleeping in' - thats really picky but a kick to the other bed as he left would be in character)

‘Sarmius.’

‘What did he want?’ Torbia rasped. His voice sounded even rougher than Palm’s own.

To tell me I am not a sergeant anymore.’

‘Again?’

Torbia opened just one bloodshot eye and Palm shrugged. ‘Wasn’t going to last anyway.’

Torbia groaned as he sat upright, his head hanging below his shoulders, his elbows on his knees. ‘Did we do anything stupid last night?’

‘Nothing worse than usual.’

‘Meaning?’

‘I think I had a bet with that soldier from the Ninth I could take him with a sword using my left hand.’

Torbia cursed. ‘How much did we bet?’

Everything I had on me at the time I think.’

Torbia cursed again, this time using even more robust language. ‘Can you beat him?’

‘Probably,’ Palm answered confidently.

‘I know you haven’t lost in competition for years, but everyone is beatable, Palm.’

‘Have faith. Gods, my head is killing me.’

Torbia staggered slightly as he stood up, his head bowed in the shallow tent. ‘So what’s our punishment then?’ (the sergent seemed to be able to stand)

Sorry have to end here called to reality

‘Latrine duty.’

‘Great. Shovelling other men’s crap.’

‘We do it all the time anyway,’ Palm pointed out dryly.

‘What are you talking about?’

‘I was being metaphorical.’

‘What is that supposed to mean? Remember it is a peasant you are talking to, not one of your old noble born friends.’

Palm also rose from his bedroll, bumping shoulders with Tor as he did. He did not have the energy to explain himself and let the comment pass unanswered, all his focus on the difficult task of staying upright without staggering. The tent smelt of sweat and alcohol and was making Palm’s stomach heave. ‘Come on, let’s get this over with.’

Palm pushed open the tent flap, grimacing as his head pulsed painfully. He then winced as bright sunlight stabbed his eyes like sharp knives, increasing his discomfort and further souring his mood. Even this early in the morning, the heat was oppressive and a cloudless blue sky promised it was only going to get worse. Bird song surrounded them, though today it sounded shrill rather than musical, cutting through him and making his very bones protest. Just the quietest of voices sent a thrumming through his head and even the whisper of a breeze was an irritant. He swore under his breath, hawking and spitting to clear his mouth.

Most of the camp was already awake, men going efficiently about their duties, quietly and with purpose. Palm could smell that the mess tent was nearly ready to serve breakfast, the aroma of bread and meat and porridge hanging thick in the morning air. The clatter of great metal serving pans shattered the stillness and further grated on his nerves. This sound was a clearer indication to the experienced soldiers than a bugle call that they were soon to be fed. Food, however, was the last thing on his mind and he ignored the sounds and heavy scent.

After only one day at this site, the man made paths between the ordered rows of tents were already worn down to backed earth, the long grass being trampled away by the repeated step of many hundreds. Palm led the way along these recently created highways, threading between sun-bleached tents and blackened and dead campfires.
 
Bill00, welcome to the chrons! Aah the first time...sweaty palms, constricted throat, tachycardia, (Racing heart) dyspnoea (shortness of breath)... don't worry, we'll be gentle with you, just lie back and think of England.

As a hook I liked it, and I like Palm already, but then I've always had a thing for rebels against authority. I was drawn in and did want to know more, so it must be working. Can't think of a way to make this more hooky, unless the camp is attacked as Palm wakes with a major hangover? Nice description of a hangover, not that I'd know, I can never remember mine..... You've handled the dialogue very well, but I'd add a bit more authority to the officer:
‘Seemed like a good idea at the time.’

‘Sir,’ Sarmius added.


‘What?’

‘You should call me sir.’

I'd have the officer just repeat the 'Sir' with more emphasis, rather than the 'you should call me...' Palm's going to ignore it anyway....

And you show us the relationship between the two men quite well (Palm and Torbia) and I like the latter's self-deprecating comments, although:

What is that supposed to mean? Remember it is a peasant you are talking to, not one of your old noble born friends.


might be better as: What's that supposed to mean? I'm a peasant remember, not one of your old noble born friends.

But generally I did like it, Not sure where 'legionnaire' belongs I thought of the French Foreign Legion, but they spoke of 'Gods' and sword fighting, so they could be Roman-type, I guess. Don't think Romans had bugles and sergeants, though. Doubtless all will be revealed......
 
comma after "flap"

How many times are you ever going to read that phrase?

I have a problem with the 'sir' thing depending on the ranking. You know the whole--I WORK FOR A LIVING DON"T CALL ME SIR thing but eh, its probably not important.
 
Hi, back again

Latrine duty.’

‘Great. Shovelling other men’s crap.’

‘We do it all the time anyway,’ Palm pointed out dryly.

‘What are you talking about?’

‘I was being metaphorical.’

‘What is that supposed to mean? Remember it is a peasant you are talking to, not one of your old noble born friends.’ (I agree with boneman here, the phrasing of the "this is a peasant" doesn't work it's a bit clumsy How about "If I wasn't a peasant I would think you're trying to confuse me" or some such)

Palm also rose from his bedroll, bumping shoulders with Tor as he did. He did not have the energy to explain himself and let the comment pass unanswered, all his focus on the difficult task of staying upright without staggering. The tent smelt of sweat and alcohol and was making Palm’s stomach heave. ‘Come on, let’s get this over with.’ (I'd have him throw up here so he could find the even worse smell to come more bearable)

Palm pushed open the tent flap, grimacing as his head pulsed painfully. He then winced as bright sunlight stabbed his eyes like sharp knives, increasing his discomfort and further souring his mood. Even this early in the morning, the heat was oppressive and a cloudless blue sky promised it was only going to get worse. Bird song surrounded them, though today it sounded shrill rather than musical, cutting through him and making his very bones protest. (shrill noises affecting bones somehow not quite right though I see what you're suggesting - "with every shrill note sending arrows of pain deep inside his head" - maybe? Ah I see you thought of it. but shrill and thrumming are octaves apart:)) Just the quietest of voices sent a thrumming through his head and even the whisper of a breeze was an irritant. He swore under his breath, hawking and spitting to clear his mouth.

Most of the camp was already awake, men going efficiently about their duties, quietly and with purpose. Palm could smell that the mess tent was nearly ready to serve breakfast, the aroma of bread and meat and porridge hanging thick in the morning air. The clatter of great metal serving pans shattered the stillness and further grated on his nerves. This sound was a clearer indication to the experienced soldiers than a bugle call that they were soon to be fed. Food, however, was the last thing on his mind and he ignored the sounds and heavy scent.

After only one day at this site, the man made paths between the ordered rows of tents were already worn down to backed (?) earth, the long grass being trampled away by the repeated step of many hundreds. Palm led the way along these recently created highways, threading between sun-bleached tents and blackened and dead campfires.

I though it grabbed well enough - Though the ending seemed a bit tame and seemed to loose the thread a little . Perhaps you could throw in some banter from others in the camp who'll know the state the two are in and will obviously be sympathetic to their sad state. All in all though I quite liked it.

Hope I wasn't too harsh:)
 
Thanks to all for your comments and suggestions.

It seems I have not emphasised enough the nature of Sarmius. He was intended to be both petulant and anal, though this has obviously not come across clearly. I will work on that.

On the nature of the legion, I have fused the old roman legion with a few more modern elements. I do not know how to put this across without some form of info dump...

TheEndIsNigh - I think it tails off as I simply cut at an appropriate length, not wanting to bore you all too much on a first post. Trust me, There is FAR more than I have posted on here.
 
Bill00:

TheEndIsNigh - I think it tails off as I simply cut at an appropriate length, not wanting to bore you all too much on a first post. Trust me, There is FAR more than I have posted on here.

Ah, wisdom in one so young. Indeed you have sought wise council for it was getting that way over.

Revise, re-edit, review, extensionalise ???.

Though remember, in the short time we all have left, will it be finished:)
 
Young? I wish more people thought so. I hope that was not an opinion on my juvenile writting style.... (Don't worry, I am not offended).

And indeed it is finished. 120,000 words of her majesty's finest prose, at least in second draft form. Though naturally, being a work of fantasy, there is more to follow (isn't there always?)

In any case, thanks again. The above has shown me what I need to work on.
 
Age is relative. When You've been hangin' around, waiting for the end to come for a few Millennium, everyone seems young.

Now don't make any assumptions about time being relative so what passes for a short time for me will be eons of your time. There was a time when I was known as TheFutureIsBright.
 
TEIN, that musta been a reaaaally long time ago..

And Bill, you're a lot braver than me if your first post is for a critique! I'm getting close to 200 and am yet to submit anything! (dunno if ever will :p)

Now on to the important bits..

I was actually sort of hooked, too. Granted, it's not one of those huge-metal-anchor-through-the-cheek hook (a-la "This is the third time I died today" opening) that a lot of people overrate, but I wanted to know more nonetheless.

I was okay with the dialogue originally (save for the bits that TEIN and Boneman already touched on), but when you say Sarmius is supposed to be petulant, I'm no longer sure. On my first reading, he sounded too mature and considered for a petulant guy and spent an inordinate amount of effort into trying to change Palm's attitude.

On the other hand, I've just read it again (bearing in my mind his petulant nature), and I was able to adjust my perception and appreciate why Sarmius might have said the things he did. What happened is my mind automatically changed the way I read the lines (or spoke them on Sarmius' behalf).

So maybe what you need is to give more cues in the dialogue, more of the appropriate mannerisms that would better guide us on how to read it. E.g. "You could be in my position if you stopped acting like a fool," Sarmius sneered, to give a lame example. Just don't overdo it, though! (I cringe at the thought of Sarmius saying everything 'sarcastically', 'irritatedly', and 'in annoyance').

Of course, this is just my opinion, and may or may not be correct in the overall scheme of things where all truths - like age - are relative.. :D

- Dreir -
 
Many thanks, Dreir. When more than one person points out the same thing, I suppose I have to take notice. I have to admit on re-reading, I agree that the character of Sarmius (only a bit part anyway) did not come across exactly how I intended. I suppose I saw the character in my head and assumed he would be read how I intended without giving the right clues.

Rigorous reworking underway, hopefully without too many 'tells'.

As you gently pointed out though, I am just a little concerned it is too weak for an opening chapter: A sort of pinch on the arm rather than a handful of hair beginning.

Anyway, thanks again to all

Bill
 
I suppose I saw the character in my head and assumed he would be read how I intended without giving the right clues.

That's a very good way of putting it, actually. And I think a lot of us are guilty of exactly the same thing all the time.

As to a more hair-pulling opening, I'm gonna leave that to other commentators for now.. it's almost midnight where I am and my brain doesn't seem to be working with much enthusiasm at the moment. :)

- Dreir -
 
I liked it. People have already covered the major points so I will cover the minor ones.

You mentioned there was oppressive heat but also birdsong. Birds don't sing when it gets too hot, at least not in my experience from living in a desert for 11 years. If you want a noise, try insects. Insects are very loud even in the hottest of weather and may irritate your hero even more than birds.

After mentioning there was birdsong, you mentioned that the clatter of pans "shattered the stillness". Obviously, you can't have both birdsong and stillness.

Is it hot and humid or is it hot and dry? Hot and humid is more "oppressive" but with a cloudless sky, as you described, hot and dry is more likely.

If your officer is "unmanly" it would be good to give him unmanly dialogue, not just tell us he's unmanly. It might help to imagine your officer as a nagging wife to your hero, and give him appropriate nagging wife dialogue.

Finally, you call your hero's buddy "Torbia", but then call him "Tor" in a later paragraph. That confused me and threw me out of the story until I figured out who "Tor" is.
 
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