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Hi, i posted a year ago with a story i wasn't very happy with so i went back to the drawing board and came up with a new idea. It has been difficult to judge whether what i've written is up to a good enough standard as the people i know aren't particuarly interested in reading fantasy novels and don't give me very good feedback (or any feedback at all). I'm 17 years old and know very little of the writing business, i have learnt what i can through the internet and through reading forums like this. I have the writers yearbook and i'm thinking of sending my work off as the novel is complete, but i would really like to know whether i should wait until i am able to write in a professional manner and also whether the story intrigues the reader to want to know more.
Thank you for your time and here's an extract of my novel Elemental Discovery:





Lightning



Fitzgerald the tall fellow sat up and frowned. Silence save the ticking of something unseen amongst the clutter. The shop may have been empty of customers but it was full of junk, from shelves, to pots, to drawers, to baskets and cupboards there was not a single piece of space spared.
Now this was because Fitzgerald had been quite an avid collector back in his youth. Anything magical and he would get all giddy inside and fumble for his purse. He had everything you could possibly imagine, rings, armour, swords, books, staffs, crowns, shields, medallions, wands, mirrors and maps, there was nothing he hadn’t haggled, plundered or found that wasn’t a sought after magical artefact.
Except....
There was something unique about the items the tall fellow had acquired, something that set them apart, something that had persuaded him to open his own shop in the middle of nowhere and sit for hours on end waiting for somebody to turn up.
They were all broken.
Yes that’s right, when Fitzgerald had thought he was getting a bargain he was actually being ripped off. It was not until he returned to his home, rummaged in his rucksack and pulled out whatever he’d bought that he realised he’d been done. Sometimes when this happened he’d make a mental note to get it repaired, unfortunately he would always misplace that note.
“Let me see now,” said Fitzgerald. He licked the tip of his quill and began to scratch on the parchment laid out on his messy desk. “One hand of glory does not light on the fifth finger, sell for one gold piece. One fairy’s tail guaranteed unhappy endings, sell for three gold pieces.”
He paused and brushed several scrolls aside, they fluttered to the floor and sent a cloud of dust billowing into the air. He coughed impatiently waving the airborne dirt away and opened the drawers. He moved aside several smudged runes until he found a dull reddish stone.
“Ah yes one philosopher’s stone, hmm better make sure.” he pressed the stone against his lead paperweight, it turned brown and crumpled into dirt. Fitzgerald gave a satisfied nod. “Turns substances to muck and causes untimely deaths, sell for five pieces of gold.”
A tinkle behind him made Fitzgerald pause once more and look about feeling paranoid. He was certain somebody else was in the room but he couldn’t be sure if it was one of his long forgotten magical creatures that had escaped and looking for revenge.
He got up and acting like nothing had happened continued to search through his rather dusty collection. Shooing away an enchanted pen (which only wrote how it felt about the owner using it) he picked up the mirror of truths and stared at the reflection. A somewhat angry old man, surrounded by a mass of bushy white beard squinted through chipped spectacles back at him. It took him a moment of glancing around to realise that it was his reflection.
“My goodness I look old.” he grumbled.
“I am indeed a mass of wrinkles, with hairs growing out of my nose and ears, I have a hunchback forming on my left shoulder and several teeth missing.” the mirror agreed.
Fitzgerald scowled. Now that he thought about it, the mirror of truths was one of the few artefacts not broken. In fact it worked only too well. Fitzgerald wondered why it had never sold.
“Three pieces of gold I think.” he said making a note on the blank price tag next to it.
“Three pieces too much.” replied the mirror gravely.
“Oh shut up.” snapped Fitzgerald.
SMASH!
A crystal ball landed on the floor and shattered into a thousand glittering pieces. Fitzgerald jumped a foot in the air and clutched his chest. His heart had almost made it out of his throat when he whipped around scanning the clutter for the source of noise.
“I knew it!” he roared. “I knew it was you, come out there’s no use in pretending.”
A black feathered wing suddenly appeared where the crystal ball had fallen. The temperature dropped dramatically, frost crawled over the surfaces leaving everything sparkling in a fine white powder including Fitzgerald who ended up with icicles dripping off his nose.
Your time has come.
“Sod off!”
A ghostly chuckle echoed around the shop. No need to be rude, you are the one after all who’s making this harder than necessary.
“Why have you come Azra?”
Azra did not reply, he was known in the world as the angel of death due to the two black wings growing out of his back, they spanned across the room giving him the appearance of a giant crow, most preferred to see Azra as the ferryman of souls who sailed the dead to the otherworld (though he required a fee and rumours had it death didn’t come cheap). He was tall and thin dressed in a dusty black suit; bandages covered him from head to foot decorated in red markings shaped like eyes, a golden pocket watch hung from his waist on a golden chain with skulls replacing the numbers.
“Now see here.” spluttered Fitzgerald backing away.
It seemed wherever he went at least one of those eyes stared at him. Azra pulled out a roll of parchment from his jacket and tapped it impatiently.
You are one hundred and fifty years old Fitz, fifty years overdue the date you should have come with me. Now I’m tired of playing around, come with me and I can finally stop chasing you.
The tall fellow picked up a continuously whistling kettle and threw it as hard as he could. The ferryman knocked it aside and started towards him. Fitzgerald grabbed whatever was in reach hurling them in every direction, Azra brought his wing across and the items bounced off shattering on the floor.
“You’ll never get me!” he shouted defiantly.
The ferryman was only inches away now and he could feel the icy breath coiling off his cheeks. The tattered cloth hand reached out, Fitzgerald fumbled with his robe and brought out a walking stick sticky with a blue slime. He thrust it forward into the thin chest and Azra grunted backing away, knocking over what little magical implements were left.
You coward, don’t think that’ll keep me away.
A dull ring came from the ferryman’s pocket. Fitzgerald waited cautiously his walking stick smoking slightly. Azra pulled a small black object out of his pocket and put it to his ear.
Yes? What? Oh ok I’ll go and see to it. No I was about to get him when you called me, fine I will deal with the plague first. Goodbye.
The ferryman put the object away and looked up, Fitzgerald could’ve sworn he was scowling behind all those bandages.
The ‘boss’ called, I suppose I’ll have to leave you for now but mark my words I’ll be back and when I am I will get you. You have to sleep sometime after all.
The frost started to thaw as the ferryman backed out of the shop. Fitzgerald could feel the warmth returning and immense relief flooded through his body. That had been too close. When he was sure he was alone he replaced the walking stick back in his robe and looked around at the mess he’d caused.



 
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Hello Gushlab. I see that you've had quite a few people come onto the site and have a look at your work, but as at the time I'm starting to write this, no one has commented. I think this may be for two reasons. The first reason is that you have ignored the formatting guidelines in the stickies at the top of critiques: your font is too small, you don't have the line breaks between paragraphs and there's a little too much here for an effective first post. The combination of these things will put people off. The second reason for not commenting is that I'm afraid your work isn't up to publishable standard yet, and it isn't always easy to tell someone that - and in view of your age, some people may want to try and spare your feelings.

I'm one of the nit-picky critiquers, but I'm afraid it takes quite a time to do a thorough critique of that kind, which I don't have at the moment. So I'll simply make a few notes, and I hope someone else will step in and add other thoughts in a little while.

Firstly, I'm not an expert on the subject of Point of View (POV) - but have a look at The Toolbox thread in aspiring writers which has some very good posts on this. However, I do know enough to know that authorial interjections are difficult creatures to manage - it can be done, but it requires a great deal of skill, and I don't think you can pull it off here. The interjections I'm talking about are things like 'Now this was because...' and 'Yes that’s right'. You, as the writer, are stepping outside of the story to address us directly. To my mind, these don't work.

Secondly, you need to work at your punctuation a little. In particular you are consistently punctuating dialogue attribution incorrectly. Again, go to The Toolbox thread and check that out - there's quite a bit of discussion about it which makes it clear but basically '“Oh shut up.” snapped Fitzgerald.' should be 'Oh shut up,” snapped Fitzgerald.' - ie with a comma not a full stop inside the quotation marks.

I don't mean to sound patronising, but for a 17 year old your work is very good. Unfortunately, you are not competing against other teenage writers in the publishing market - you are up against people who have been writing for twice as long as you have been alive. And the difference shows. For instance the line 'Yes? What? Oh ok I’ll go and see to it. No I was about to get him when you called me, fine I will deal with the plague first. Goodbye.' This is simply not a line which any would-be professional writer could allow to remain.

I honestly think you have talent, and if you can nuture that talent you stand a fair chance of being published some day. But before then you have do do a great deal of writing - and living! So my advice is to put this book away for at least 12 months, and start another story. During the next year spend time here in the critiques section. Read what other people write and see how they are critiqued. Perhaps have a go at critiquing someone else's work yourself - there's no need to post your thoughts if you don't want to. But what you will find useful is analysing how things are written, and trying to understand why critiquers have said what they have. At the end of 12 months get this story out again. If during that time you have continued to write and to read (not just SFF but anything and everything) then you will have advanced in technique and I think you will then be able to see how and why this falls short.

Please, please do not give up. I do not want to stop you writing. It is simply that your work is not quite there yet. In time, with effort and dedication, it will be.

J
 
I concur. Judge is right. This isn't work of an professinal that the publishers would expect to see from you. So rather than embrassing yourself and getting a stack of rejections, why don't you do what dear Judge says and work on your art. Just keep writing and rewriting and honing your skills. But also have a bit of life. Find love, go out to party and forget that the world is such dark place as it is at the moment. When you are ready, you'll use that experience in your writing and produse something that is far more better than Eragon.
 
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Hi, i posted a year ago with a story i wasn't very happy with so i went back to the drawing board and came up with a new idea. It has been difficult to judge whether what i've written is up to a good enough standard as the people i know aren't particuarly interested in reading fantasy novels and don't give me very good feedback (or any feedback at all). I'm 17 years old and know very little of the writing business, i have learnt what i can through the internet and through reading forums like this. I have the writers yearbook and i'm thinking of sending my work off as the novel is complete, but i would really like to know whether i should wait until i am able to write in a professional manner and also whether the story intrigues the reader to want to know more.
Thank you for your time and here's an extract of my novel Elemental Discovery:





Lightning


Fitzgerald
comma
the tall fellow
comma
sat up and frowned. Silence
comma
save the ticking of something unseen amongst the clutter. The shop may have been empty of customers but it was full of junk,
semicolon
from shelves, to pots, to drawers, to baskets and cupboards there was not a single piece of space spared.

Now this was because Fitzgerald had been quite an avid collector back in his youth. Anything magical and he would get all giddy inside and fumble for his purse. He had everything you could possibly imagine,
colon
rings, armour, swords, books, staffs, crowns, shields, medallions, wands, mirrors and maps,
semicolon
there was nothing he hadn’t haggled, plundered or found that wasn’t a sought after magical artefact.

Except....
There was something unique about the items the tall fellow had acquired, something that set them apart, something that had persuaded him to open his own shop in the middle of nowhere and sit for hours on end waiting for somebody to turn up.

They were all broken.

Yes
comma
that’s right, when Fitzgerald had thought he was getting a bargain he was actually being ripped off. It was not until he returned to his home, rummaged in his rucksack and pulled out whatever he’d bought that he realised he’d been done. Sometimes when this happened he’d make a mental note to get it repaired, unfortunately he would always misplace that note.

“Let me see now,” said Fitzgerald. He licked the tip of his quill and began to scratch on the parchment laid out on his messy desk. “One hand of glory does not light on the fifth finger, sell for one gold piece. One fairy’s tail guaranteed unhappy endings, sell for three gold pieces.”

He paused and brushed several scrolls aside,
full stop
they fluttered to the floor and sent a cloud of dust billowing into the air. He coughed impatiently
comma
waving the airborne dirt away
comma
and opened the drawers. He moved aside several smudged runes until he found a dull reddish stone.

“Ah yes
comma
one philosopher’s stone, hmm better make sure.”
capital "H"
he pressed the stone against his lead paperweight,
semicolon
it turned brown and crumpled into dirt. Fitzgerald gave a satisfied nod. “Turns substances to muck and causes untimely deaths, sell for five pieces of gold.”

A tinkle behind him made Fitzgerald pause once more and look about
comma
feeling paranoid. He was certain somebody else was in the room but he couldn’t be sure if it was one of his long forgotten magical creatures that had escaped and
was; and that's a bit long without punctuation
looking for revenge.

He got up and
comma
acting like nothing had happened
comma
continued to search through his rather dusty collection. Shooing away an enchanted pen (which only wrote how it felt about the owner using it) he picked up the mirror of truths and stared at the reflection. A somewhat angry old man, surrounded by a mass of bushy white beard squinted through chipped spectacles back at him. It took him a moment of glancing around to realise that it was his reflection.

“My goodness I look old.
comma
” he grumbled.

“I am indeed a mass of wrinkles, with hairs growing out of my nose and ears, I have a hunchback forming on my left shoulder and several teeth missing.
If that's the mirror expressing itself, that's a comma. If it is him expressing his opinion, with which the mirror concurs, the next "The" should be capitalised.
” the mirror agreed.

Fitzgerald scowled. Now that he thought about it, the mirror of truths was one of the few artefacts not broken. In fact it worked only too well. Fitzgerald wondered why it had never sold.

“Three pieces of gold
comma
comma
” he said
comma
making a note on the blank price tag next to it.

“Three pieces too much.
comma
” replied the mirror gravely.

“Oh shut up.
comma
” snapped Fitzgerald.

SMASH!

A crystal ball landed on the floor and shattered into a thousand glittering pieces. Fitzgerald jumped a foot in the air and clutched his chest. His heart had almost made it out of his throat when he whipped around scanning the clutter for the source of noise.

“I knew it!” he roared. “I knew it was you,
full stop
comma
there’s no use in pretending.”

A black feathered wing suddenly appeared where the crystal ball had fallen. The temperature dropped dramatically,
semicolon
frost crawled over the surfaces
comma
leaving everything sparkling in a fine white powder
comma
including Fitzgerald
comma
who ended up with icicles dripping off his nose.

Your time has come.
no quotation marks?
“Sod off!”

A ghostly chuckle echoed around the shop. No need to be rude,
semicolon
you are the one after all
Perhaps the "after all" before the "you"? If not, put commas round it.
who’s making this harder than necessary.

“Why have you come
comma
Azra?”

Azra did not reply,
Full stop
he was known in the world as the angel of death due to the two black wings growing out of his back,
either a semicolon here, or "which" instead of "they"
they spanned across
no need for "across" (contained in "span")
the room giving him the appearance of a giant crow,
Full stop
most preferred to see Azra as the ferryman of souls who sailed the dead to the otherworld (though he required a fee and rumours had it death didn’t come cheap). He was tall and thin dressed in a dusty black suit; bandages covered him from head to foot
comma
decorated in red markings shaped like eyes,
probably "and" instead of this comma
a golden pocket watch hung from his waist on a golden chain
comma
with skulls replacing the numbers.

“Now see here.
comma
” spluttered Fitzgerald
comma
backing away.

It seemed wherever he went at least one of those eyes stared at him. Azra pulled out a roll of parchment from his jacket and tapped it impatiently.

You are one hundred and fifty years old
comma
Fitz, fifty years overdue the date you should have come with me.
the "overdue" bit needs a bit of a rewrite. You can't just replace "past" with "overdue" and expect it to work.
Now I’m tired of playing around,
semicolon
come with me and I can finally stop chasing you.

The tall fellow picked up a continuously whistling kettle and threw it as hard as he could. The ferryman knocked it aside and started towards him. Fitzgerald grabbed whatever was in reach
comma
hurling them in every direction,
semicolon
Azra brought his wing across and the items bounced off
comma
shattering on the floor.

“You’ll never get me!” he shouted defiantly.

The ferryman was only inches away now and he could feel the icy breath coiling off his cheeks. The tattered cloth hand reached out,
"and" here? "As" at the beginning of the sentence?
Fitzgerald fumbled with his robe and brought out a walking stick sticky with a blue slime. He thrust it forward into the thin chest and Azra grunted backing away, knocking over what little
"few", rather than "little"
magical implements were left.

You coward, don’t think that’ll keep me away.

A dull ring came from the ferryman’s pocket. Fitzgerald waited cautiously
comma
his walking stick smoking slightly. Azra pulled a small black object out of his pocket and put it to his ear.

Yes? What? Oh
comma
comma
I’ll go and see to it. No
comma
I was about to get him when you called me,
semicolon
comma
I will deal with the plague first. Goodbye.

The ferryman put the object away and looked up,
full stop
Fitzgerald could’ve sworn he was scowling behind all those bandages.
The ‘boss’ called,
full stop
I suppose I’ll have to leave you for now but
comma
mark my words
comma
I’ll be back and
comma
when I am
comma
I will get you. You have to sleep sometime
comma
after all.

The frost started to thaw as the ferryman backed out of the shop. Fitzgerald could feel the warmth returning and immense relief flooded through his body. That had been too
since you're using underlining for the angel of death, perhaps not for other emphasis?
close. When he was sure he was alone he replaced the walking stick back in his robe and looked around at the mess he’d caused.
 
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Phew Chris :)

Gushlab:

I thought the concept had some merit.

I like the idea of a collector of broken (though fixable) magic junk and I'm sure you would be able to run with it given some work.

The thought the underlining was a bad idea though.

He said, she said, bill leered, jenny implied, etc. is painful but it does work for most of the literary world.

The tall man grated.

Also the ferryman's job isn't to go out collecting souls his task is quite specific and mixing his task with the Grim Reaper (an old friend of mine) didn't work.

The mobile phone although good (for what it was) was more of a comedy sketch thing than a serious piece of fiction and the walking stick needed more explanation.

I thought the way it was going to go was that Fitzy boy would be sent on a quest that would need his precious possessions. Probably with a side kick or two, who had the real magic, so that when an object was used, the sidekick made it work. To build up the prospect of all these artifacts just to have them used as cannon fodder against the ferryman was a waste IMO.


As Judge said I hope the comments you have had don't discourage you and that you find my comments of some use.


TEiN
 
Fitzgerald the tall fellow sat up and frowned. Silence save the ticking of something unseen amongst the clutter. The shop may have been empty of customers but it was full of junk, from shelves, to pots, to drawers, to baskets and cupboards there was not a single piece of space spared.
1. You write very well for a beginner.

2. You're a beginner until you've written a million words. I'm only at 600,00 or so, and I'm three times your age.

3. Luckily, the cure for what ails you is simple: read. I've read tens of million words (consider that Jordan's Wheel of time is probably 2 million). Go out and read more. You've got time to let your talent develop.

4. Words need to flow. I've quoted this first paragraph just to show how it lacks rhythm. "The tall fellow" is not a phrase one would apply to oneself; this can only be a description, but we are in an omniscient point of view. The second sentence needs a space to breath, to let us reflect on the most important detail: the silence. The third sentence is just too long, and you've missed a chance to employ juxtaposition: "empty" and "crowded" are better than empty and full, because empty is more normally applied to things and crowded is more usually applied to people. So mixing them up yields an interesting picture. Likewise, I used "single bit" instead of "single piece" because bit is smaller and more common (does anyone ever talk about a piece of space?).

Fitzgerald the Tall sat up and frowned. Silence, save the ticking of something unseen amongst the clutter. The shop was empty of customers but crowded with junk. On shelves, in pots, under drawers, baskets and cupboards spilling over; there was not a single bit of space spared.

5. It bears repeating: go forth and read! And keep at it.
 
Hi

Tis good that you have so many friendly and encouraging people here, is it not? I haven't read all the comments and I didn't read all of your piece. But what I would say is that The Judge may be a harsh critic, but I'd take his advice any day over that of someone condescendingly patting you on the head and encouraging you to keep believing in the power of positive thinking and the like!

I admire your courage. But I was half hoping to be blown away by the 17 year old. I wasn't. But neither was I embarrassed for you. When I look back at the things I first wrote (rather than, necessarily, the things I wrote when I was 17) I am SERIOUSLY humiliated. The grammar was awful! The plot development wasn't much better. Age doesn't really matter, but experience does. Not just life experience, but also writing experience. However, I think this improves much more dramatically if you have people who will be willing to read your stuff and give honest comments.

You have something. Experience is necessary, but don't let life take your dreams. If you're writing about magic, there's got to be a power within you which can see off all the set backs and attempts to get you to tow the social line. Get to know who you are, then you can find what it is you're supposed to be writing, and then you can draw on that power within to write powerfully about powerful subjects. But this must be tempered with such an innate understanding of what makes quality writing that you can, with practice, let it flow. It's hard work. And even when you have gained the experience, when you are writing as well as your ideas demand, you've still got the task of trying to get published, which is a nightmare in itself. This is not an easy road - but nothing worthwhile ever is.

Good luck! Hope to see you in the future!
 
The work, as others have noted, needs reviewing. The piece itself is rather nice, though the formatting and font needs work. Don't bother with underlining text, bolding and italics tend to do the job well enough. Explain the Stick, unless that was going to be explained elsewhere. 'The tall fellow' at the beginning grates a bit, you might want to change that.

The magic and descriptions of the artifacts are nice. The cell phone at the end is a bit odd, and you might want to switch that out if this is a mideval fantasy story. If it's a modern day one it's fine though.
 
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