Alan Moore Book Club

Marky Lazer

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I'm starting a journey into the phantastic world of comics. Or, more precisely, about to embark on a trip to discover the fuzz about Alan Moore. Isn't he the strip messiah after all?

I'll report back here every now and then with my findings and encourage you all to join the discussions, observations and recommendations.

First one on the menu is the adventures of Alan Quatermaine and Miss Murray:

Moore, Alan, and Kevin O'Neill. The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen Volume One. La Jolla: America's Best Comics, 2002.
 
Sounds like a good idea Marky.

I look forward to tracking this thread being a bit of a Moore fan myself.

Cheers... :)
 
Alan Moore is a great writer of comics but he is far from being that unique. There are many at his level today not to talk about yesterday writers.

I have my self Top Ten a sf,cop series and League vol 3 as new graphic novels.
 
Who exactly is at his level today? Because I have tried following the contemporary comic book scene and apart from all the continuity-padding going on, there is not a lot of compelling storytelling that transcends the genre the way Moore could and can.

I recently cleaned out my comic shelves and will be happy to try and re-read some of these works in tandem.
 
Moore, Alan, and Kevin O'Neill. The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen Volume One. La Jolla: America's Best Comics, 2002.


1: “Empire Dreams”


Writer: Alan Moore
Illustrator: Kevin O'Neill
Colourer: Benedict Dimagmaliw
Letterer: William Oakley










**THIS ENTRY CONTAINS SPOILERS, CONTINUE READING WITH CAUTION**


#1. Empire Dreams.


Plot: Mr Campion Bond meets up with Miss Wilhelmina Murray and orders her to recruit a “menagerie” for the safe-being of the British Empire. She is being sent to Cairo to look for the opium-addicted adventurer Allan Quartermain. When found, the adventurer first refuses to join the league, however, after killing two Arabs who try to rape Miss Murray, he needs to flee from his opium shack. Arriving at the dock no one less but Captain Nemo emerges with his submersible ship The Nautilus and saves the life of Murray and Quartermain.
Immediately after welcoming Quartermain to the league, they head for Paris where they need to find a certain gentleman. With the help of the Chevalier Dupin they find out that the man is a murderer hungering for prostitutes. Miss Murray poses herself as bait in order to catch the man, who turns out to be Dr Henry Jekyll. And also Mr Edward Hyde of course.


Many of the characters come from literary works with Captain Nemo (Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea and The Mysterious Island by Jules Verne) and Jekyll and Hyde (“The Strange Case of Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde” by Robert Louis Stevenson) as the most obvious examples perhaps. Wilhelmina Murray comes from Bram Stoker's Dracula and Allan Quartermain from the novel King Solomon's Mines by H. Rider Haggard. Even the minor character Dupin comes from the literary work; he's the detective from Edgar Alan Poe's mind in “The Murders in the Rue Morgue” to which this Moore's story points as well: “The murders have begun again. … This street here, between the Rue Richelieu and the Rue St. Roch...” and he points at the Rue Morgue.
It appears Campion Bond is not a character from another work.


The comic starts immediately by painting the character of Wilhelmina Murray who refuses to be called by her first name. From this start it appears Miss Murray is a stubborn woman who knows what she wants and how to get it. The audience learns she has divorced her husband, which indicates she is an outcast from society. Campion Bond presumably selected his candidates because of their talents on the one hand and their outcasting from society on the other hand. After all, Murray's first compliance is Captain Nemo. The next two Gentlemen that need to become part of the elite group are similar outcasts with a drug addiction (Quartermain) and a murdered wanted by the police (Jekyll).
Soon the reader ends up with a characteristic that may appear pretentious to the common English reader. While rescuing Quartermain the speech of their adversaries is Arabic and in Paris the prostitutes speak French. This may on the one hand be seen as a way to add realism (Arabs speak Arabic after all, French prostitutes tend to speak French), but most readers will not understand a word of it. Would the story benefit from having footnotes that translate the lines? Probably not. But it can be off-putting to a part of the audience.


It is, by the way, not necessary to have read the original works featuring the characters reinvented by Moore, but it is a rather fun pastime to try and discover who's who and apparently a book has been published revealing this information (Heroes & Monsters: The Unofficial Companion to the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen by Jess Nevins).


All in all, an enjoyable start of the series (of six). It appears Moore has weaved together his two favourite genres of superhero comics and 19th century adventurers literature into an already classic, hybrid genre.


Buy the Collected Edition here.
 
Who exactly is at his level today? Because I have tried following the contemporary comic book scene and apart from all the continuity-padding going on, there is not a lot of compelling storytelling that transcends the genre the way Moore could and can.

I recently cleaned out my comic shelves and will be happy to try and re-read some of these works in tandem.

Well it depends on what kind of genre you want. Transcends the genre isnt so big to me i have read his comics that are like that and his superhero comics that are of high quality.

There are Garth Ennis,Warren Ellis,Neil Gaiman(Sandman Duh!) who have written hailed works like he has. Not as long career or as old Moore but still.

Ennis are famous for War Stories,Preacher,Hellblazer,Punisher Max( a gritty,dark,real take on the vigilante no superheroics)

I dont read much continuity-padding either i prefer shorter,other genres.

There are The Walking Dead by Robert Kirkman which are rare zombie story.
 
Ive read all of those, Connavar, save for Punisher Max, and I have to say that none of them are on the same level as Moore. personally I love Kirkman, but he's just telling a simple story. Moore blends in mysticism and mythology in a way that, IMHO, nobody has yet matched. As for the guys from yesteryear, like John Byrne, for example, none of them can hold a candle to Moore.

Kirkman's Zombie tales

Moore's Watchmen

Moore's From Hell
 
The way I see it (only read a tad bit mind) is that Moore stands out because his story can be seen as "real" literature but then with pictures. I'm not saying he's a pretentious arse steering away from comics; he's not doing that at all, I think. But he seems to add something to the medium that others haven't even considered. Maybe this is only the case for League, we will have to find out about that in due course...
 
Moore can indeed write "real" literature - The proof is his novel Voice of the Fire, the first chapter of which has just about the most well-realised first-person narrative voice I've ever encountered.
 
Ive read all of those, Connavar, save for Punisher Max, and I have to say that none of them are on the same level as Moore. personally I love Kirkman, but he's just telling a simple story. Moore blends in mysticism and mythology in a way that, IMHO, nobody has yet matched. As for the guys from yesteryear, like John Byrne, for example, none of them can hold a candle to Moore.

Kirkman's Zombie tales

Moore's Watchmen

Moore's From Hell


I was more like recommending other good works that arent the never-ending Superhero with TWD. Its far from simple zombie story.

Alan Moore is great,a legend but everything he does isnt myths and real lit stuff as you guys put it. Garth Ennis,Ellis are as much hailed comic writers for their body of works.

Doest matter about personal taste.

Marky Lazer :

You should read more about the medium before thinking Alan Moore is an exception.
The League is very simple stuff compared Moore other works,Frank Miller and co.
I'm saying try other works and Alan Moore is a comics writer nothing wrong with that. He is hailed for that and only that. You might think he is the best ever but there are many who like him write mature,thought provoking stories.
 
Oh please. SIN CITY is just a series of wet dreams compounded of equal parts misogyny and a weird worship of tough-guy postures. It can't hold a candle to a layered work like THE LEAGUE OF EXTRAORDINARY GENTLEMENT. 'The British Empire has always had difficulty distinguishing its monsters and its heroes,' says Campion Bond right at the outset of this series (or words very like), and Moore proceeds to explore the heroic ideals of an era (of several eras once you come to the appendices to Volume 2 or the timeframe of Volume 3) and humanise the heroes and monsters of English imaginative literature of the last few centuries.

Neil Gaiman and Warren Ellis are both fine writers; Garth Ennis is good aside from the predilection for hard-assery. All of them write stuff that stands head and shoulders over the run of the mill, but only Gaiman is really working in Moore's tradition of engaging with a larger body of fantastic fiction and folklore and transforming it in interesting ways. The FABLES series outwardly does the same but is essentiallty concerned with normalising the fantastic into a sort of soap opera.

The opening chapters of Volume 1 are very interesting in the way they introduce different members of the League. The very first member we meet is Mina, whom we do not at once identify as Mina Murray from Dracula. A woman who has no powers of her own (unlike the vampiric femme fatale of the film version), it seems Mina has been chosen for a role of power unusual for a woman in her times because she may be the only somewhat biddable person at hand who has past experience in dealing with monsters - whether they truly be heroes or not. As we shall see, the Empire and in particular Bond and M (names that should be ringing bells by now) have vastly underestimated how biddable this woman can be.

The attention to detail in this series is incredible and seen right from the first page, from Bond's cigarette case with its harlequin motif and the incomplete construction they are standing on with its dedication plaque.

Next, we encounter the archetypal British adventure-story hero but in a deeply untypical context - he is a broken man, an opium addict who forswears all allegiance to the Crown. Yet, he is drawn in by the heat of the moment as Mina is imperilled and he rises to her defense. She claims she could handle herself, but the fact is that no true adventure hero can resist a damsel-in-distress. It is interesting to note that Moore's portrayal of Quatermain is no mere postmodern subversion - the character of this other Alan is given a depth and maturity over the course of the series that both re-affirms many of the English values of valour and fortitude the character stood for, along with the self-sufficient stoicism Haggard gave him while enlarging the character beyond stereotypes that may have attached to him in the eyes of those whose main knowledge of the character was a high-school reading of King Solomon's Mines. Moore treats his original respectfully, I think, enlarging the tradition rather than simply upending it or appropriating it for his own use. This is a key factor in producing successful pastiche that goes beyond mere pastiche to become a vital addition to the narrative it draws from.

The next member recruited runs counter to the typical 'British adventure-story hero' stereotype of the day, being an Asiatic submariner from a French novel. Nemo's role and character in the first two volumes of this series is of a great complexity and significance, allowing Moore to work in some comment on the British Empire from an outside perspective - but I shall stop short on this point for fear of being accused, as elsewhere in these fora, of indulging in anti-Imperialist diatribes.

I'll stop here for now. More later, and thanks to Marky Lazer for his initiative in setting up this discussion and his detailed, informative notes above (although of course anyone who discusses LOEG must always be indebted ultimately to Jess Nevin's fantastic annotations.)
 
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Marky Lazer :

You should read more about the medium before thinking Alan Moore is an exception.
Gee, this almost sounds like an accusation! :p But first of all, you ARE right of course.

But even with the little knowledge I have... I have read parts of Sin City and don't think it can be compared to League at all. I'm not saying Frank Miller's works isn't fun but it's at a complete different level surely. I really think you're comparing, say, Saving Private Ryan with Inglourious Basterds and saying they are easily comparable because both are set in WWII. The only likeness I can see between League and Sin City is that they're both strips. I can already see that many people will pick Miller over Moore, but there are also a lot of people who pick Dan Brown over Albert Camus...

And one more question: what is TWD, please?
 
Gee, this almost sounds like an accusation! :p But first of all, you ARE right of course.

But even with the little knowledge I have... I have read parts of Sin City and don't think it can be compared to League at all. I'm not saying Frank Miller's works isn't fun but it's at a complete different level surely. I really think you're comparing, say, Saving Private Ryan with Inglourious Basterds and saying they are easily comparable because both are set in WWII. The only likeness I can see between League and Sin City is that they're both strips. I can already see that many people will pick Miller over Moore, but there are also a lot of people who pick Dan Brown over Albert Camus...

And one more question: what is TWD, please?

It does sound a bit offending to someone who reads comics story of any kind and find quality in the different kinds. Its like a literary snob telling you SF cant be quality lit because its genre and not serious.

I like Miller for his classic superhero stories than Sin City. Dont compare Frank Miller to Dan Brown because FM is seen as a legend for important Batman,Daredevil works. Sin City has won awards for its art. The story is a bit much of course.

The Walking Dead is famous zombie story. What i'm saying you can think Alan Moore is more than most writers in comics and still try other works,see what you like.
 
Of course i have already explained what i meant.


What have you guys read of Alan Moore by the way ?
 
Well, I just discussed the opening pages of LOEG 1 above.

I've read much of his Swamp Thing run, back in the monthlies, V For Vendetta, Watchmen, From Hell, much of Halo Jones, some of The Bojeffries Saga, From Hell and all the volumes of League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen. I've read two volumes of Promethea but didn't like it as much as his other stuff. I'd like to read Lost Girls but it is very expensive.
 
Okay, this is for me future talk, guys, but I do own copies of the Collected Editions of V and Watchmen.
 
For my part I haven't read as much Moore as I would like to date.

The usual suspects really, V For Vendetta, Watchmen, From Hell, League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen and Swamp Thing and all of it very fine indeed.
 
That exact though crossed my mind about 2 hours ago..but I wasn't game to say it... ;)
 

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