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What does Heinlein's It's Great to be Back say about society and mankind?

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What does Heinlein's It's Great to be Back say about society and mankind?

That's one of his books I haven't read, or perhaps don't remember. Does it point in a different direction? Or are you asking for information?

Edit: I went looking for it and find it is an early short story.
 
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That's one of his books I haven't read, or perhaps don't remember. Does it point in a different direction? Or are you asking for information?

It's a short story about a married couple returning to Earth after spending years on the Moon with Loonies not being able to deal with the dummies on Earth and going back to the Moon.

How much of today's economics is Dumb Consumerism? How much of that is wrecking the planet?
 
That's what I gathered from my friend (my memory of the economic aspects of his work have escaped my brain).

One specific I remember my friend touting was a "guaranteed wage" (probably not the exact term)--everyone receiving at least what's needed for the basics of life...
The guaranteed wage is in 'Beyond This Horizon'. See p 7 of my Signet pb printed in 1964. Your page may vary slightly due to whatever edition or soft copy version you may be reading/viewing. But, the general discussion is early in the book, so easy to find. The term used in BTH is 'Monthly Citizens Allowance' and about two-thirds of they way down p8, Munroe Clifford Alpha discusses the Law of Stable Money. On p9, the discussion between Hamilton Felix establishes that food is free ( "Why pay out hard cash for bad food when good food is included in your basic dividend?" ) but the basic ration is not inspiring. So, Hamilton takes Monroe-Alpha to a pay-restaurant to advance the plot.

Another place where economics is discussed is in his Future History Chart where the REMARKS say, "The Interregnum was followed by a reorganization in which the Voorhis proposals gave a temporary economic stability and a chance for re-organization. This was ended by the opening of new frontiers and a return to nineteenth century economics." If interested, see Out of Debt, Out of Danger: Proposals for Tomorrow's Money: Jerry Voorhis: 9780982344842: Amazon.com: Books by Jerry Voorhis. Voorhis was a Democratic Representative from California's 12 District from 1934 to 1954 who was a socialist who registered Democrat in the early 30's. The 12th district in 34 - 54 ran from Pasadena to the Orange and San Bernardino county lines. If not Heinlein's representative, he was certainly aware of Voorhis.

There are a few things that I think people discussing Heinlein's political beliefs, economic beliefs, etc. tend to forget while grinding their own axes.

1. He was first and foremost a teller of stories. He wrote, initially at least, to entertain and to sell a story. He needed the money to survive. He created conditions and environments to fit a story. He wrote many of stories to fit the opinions of the editor of Astounding, John Campbell.

2. He loved the USA of the 19th and early 20th century. The dynamics and conflicts of that environment created interesting stories. So, he recreated those dynamics and conflicts in his future history and other stories.

3. The preachiness of his later stories stems in part from the techniques that he used in his early stories to establish and define the setting of his stories whether in the Chicago of the 22nd century, Lunar colonies or a generation starship. It had become part of his writing MO. It also stems from the fact that in his later career, he could write what he wanted, preach what amused him, not necessarily what he believed in and he could sell enough to land on the best seller lists more than occasionally.
 
"He wrote, initially at least, to entertain and to sell a story".

Brian, that is spot on. Ginny was griping one day about the number of people who thought she and Robert actually espoused some of the views expressed in his books. I commented, "Haven't they ever heard of peddling books"?
She grinned and said, "You got that right"......
As an aside, some of the views they did actually espouse :)
 
@JimC .... were you by chance an acquaintance? The casual way you say "Ginny was griping one day..." leads me to believe that. If so, it must have been very interesting.
 
Yeah, she was a dear friend. I think maybe Laura Heywood, Amy Baxter, and I were the only three people who had a key to her house and were welcome to come and stay without advance notice. My wife and I gave her Snowy, her last cat. Laura lived nearby, and Amy and I were in other parts of the country. During her final stay in the hospital, Laura saw her every day, but Amy and I would alternate our trips, overlapping by one day to coordinate. With the exception of her memories of Robert, Ginny was more interested in the future than the past, so we never talked much about science fiction or people in that field. During the last hospital stay though, sometimes in the wee hours when she couldn't sleep, she reminisced about the old days. What I remember mostly about that was how uncomfortable that damn bedside chair was after the first few hours of sitting in it.

Laura died thirty days after Ginny. Laura's husband and son kept Snowy after her death. He lived a long and happy life, quite spoiled the whole time.

My wife and I still miss Ginny's homemade quince jelly. It was great.

Here's a portrait of her and Robert that Kelly Freas gave me. It was based on two photos of them. One was her favorite, the other, my favorite. I keep it in the Heinlein Reading Room in the public library at Butler, MO. My apologies for the lousy photo. The portrait itself is quite nice.
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Thanks for sharing! Sounds like a lovely friendship.
 
It was. Still have her living room sofa and some pots and pans that helped furnish my youngest daughter's first apartment. Though I didn't know Robert, thanks to her, I think my name now appears in three or four of his books.
 
Coming to this discussion more than a decade after it started, I am still surprised that no one has mentioned Upton Sinclair and End Poverty In California, a decidedly Socialist movement remembered now for Sinclair's run for governor.
It is pretty warped to suppose that because he once advocated for something that his views never changed, Still ---
"Robert A. Heinlein, who by then was deputy publisher of the EPIC News. Heinlein also ran for State Assembly in Hollywood and Beverly Hills in 1938. He lost, causing him to take up science fiction writing to pay off his campaign debt.[" (Wikipedia).

EPIC was not Marxist, but it was socalist, advocating for a basic wage and workers' cooperatives running industry.
Writing fiction, Heinlein was the exemplar of creating "The Capable Man", John Cambell's ideal. Not an obvious character to fit into a future socialist society. Heinlein himself, in his essays, talks about a late visit to the USSR and practically total cynicism about anything that government said.

I guess my point is that RAH was not simplistic. He was well aware of options. To say that his beliefs were what was expressed in a specific work is simplistic in the extreme. I like Jim C's description,
"Ginny was griping one day about the number of people who thought she and Robert actually espoused some of the views expressed in his books. I commented, "Haven't they ever heard of peddling books"?
She grinned and said, "You got that right"......
 
I have stumbled across an amusing discovery related to Heinlein's competent man knowing accounts.

Has anyone heard of Adam Smith and Wealth of Nations?

Adam Smith wrote about education:

"the most essential parts of education, however, to Read, Write, and ACCOUNT, can be acquired at so early a period of life..."

Adam Smith on educating the working classes

So how is it that we don't hear that a lot?
 

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