Critters Writers Workshop

poisonoustea

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I found this very interesting website; I submitted the first 2 chapters of my novel (10,000 words) for critique and I'm reading some of the work posted by the members.

Obviously I'm not trying to divert attention from the community's critiques forum, which remains invaluable; I just thought this workshop might be an additional source of critiques for all aspiring writers on Chronicles.

Here's the introduction link to Critters. Hope this proves useful!
 
Since they critique longer pieces than we do here, and it takes a month to get the critiques, I would say that they are not in direct competition with what we do here (nor we with them) and the link could be very useful for some of our writers.

I do think there is a point where getting larger chunks critiqued is much to be desired.
 
There's even the chance to submit full novels. From what I've read, mostly critiques and submitted manuscripts, it looks like a nice and serious place. And the quality of writing is over the standards... I must admit I'm a bit scared of sending my work in there :(
 
We all get nervous (okay, a bit or a lot scared) about the quality** of our writing. But if the critiques are serious and honest - and why wouldn't they be? - would you rather they found any problems (which you can iron out) before you send your work for commercial consideration (i.e. to an agent or publishing house).







** - with respect to grammar, coherence, sense, saleability, etc.
 
It's an excellent site. I've been a member for just over a year, had a couple of pieces crittered and given my opinion of about 40 short stories.

Some of the critters on there are professional, well known writers who give excellent advice.

Don't hesitate for a second poisonoustea, your writing will improve leaps and bounds.

Each week there are about 25 stories up for crit. It's great experience reading as many as you can, with the crits. It's weird how often I have seen things and think to myself - 'I do that too'.

Also, it's great when you actually see a story in print that you critted containing suggestions that you made - it's happened twice to me.

The rules of the site are very strict, however. Especially when it comes to being polite about each others work. That doesn't mean to say you shouldn't be truthful - but there are ways of saying things.

Anyway, like I say - don't hesitate. :) Edit I see you have already taken the plunge! Well done!
 
Don't hesitate for a second poisonoustea, your writing will improve leaps and bounds.
I can easily see that... I just completed my first critique to a randomly picked manuscript in the list and I was stunned. I found it really hard to say something valuable.
My writing might improve, yes, provided my self-esteem as a writer lives up to the content of the site.

I'm *scared*.
 
I'm *scared*.

I can understand your fear. I wouldn't let anyone criticize my work until after I sold my first book. Somehow, sending it out to a faceless editor was less intimidating than letting people critique it face-to-face. But this is an online group, so you'll probably survive the criticism.
 
I think the larger the manuscript gets, the more criticism will weigh on you. I'm not even a tenth through what I'm willing to write, but I must admit that submitting 10'000 words on that site is not such a 'happy' kind of challenge as submitting snippets on Chronicles was. That's even besides how professional the writers are; I think there's as plenty of good writers here as in any other SF/F writing community around.
 
I'm intrigued enough to have signed up. I'll probably fall behind the critique quota ridiculously fast, but I'll give it a red hot go...
 
I'll probably fall behind the critique quota ridiculously fast, but I'll give it a red hot go...
One crit per week will do, and it's not that difficult. I'm already on my second manuscript and I signed up today. That site's a cherry basket!
 
Well, I signed up, too. I wonder if they're ready for that?

On the other hand, I wonder if I am? I mean, I only started critiquing here because I thought I might be able to help a few people (and only started writing to give them a chance for revenge).
 
Anyone who does critiques should read the site's tips on being diplomatic in delivering criticism: Critters Writers Workshop

Er, excuse me...I think anyone who does critiques could benefit from reading these tips. :D

I think I'm pretty tactful when I do critiques, but I'm certainly guilty of using an imperative tone and stating my opinions as if they are facts. "Assume the author knows what they're doing. Assume any criticisms you make are because of your personal limitations as a reader, not their failings as a writer." Good advice. I'm going to try to do better.

At least I've never said anything like this: "I don't believe there is a publishable story buried in (your submission) and would respectfully suggest you try again with a different genre and with much more care as to the rules of English."

Yeesh...*shudders*
 
I have been a member of Critters for some years (3 or 4, I think) although I took last year off due to other commitments. I have found the community to be very welcoming and helpful and I would recommend it to anyone serious about improving their writing. There are one or two hints that might help you get the best from the site that I thought I might pass on for those unfamiliar with the way it works.

You can submit pieces up to 20,000 words for the queue, but bear in mind that work over about 5,000 words may receive fewer critiques simply because of the time it takes to prepare a longer critique. Between 3,000 and 6,000 is about the optimum in my experience.

If possible do not use MS Word to format your text as it inserts strange characters that do not display well. Critters works best with plain text (chosen because it is macro and virus free) but that means that you have to highlight *bold* and _italic_. If you do use Word, make sure that 'curly quotes' are turned off.

Critique for pieces under 2,000 words only gets you half a credit, but it's useful to have one on these credited as sometimes you don't get time in your week for a full critique and you can submit a short work critique and use the other half credit to earn your credit for that week.

It really helps to get into the habit of critiquing regularly, so I recommend you choose a day that's normally best for you and do it then as part of your weekly routine. I used to commute and do my critiques on the train, but whatever works for you.

It helps to use the critters mechanism to develop your 'editing mode'. In time you will come to see this as part of your writing, not a distraction from it. You will likely find yourself being harder on your own work as a result.

You will occasionally get damning critique through Critters. It happens. The truth is that there is always someone that does not appreciate the way you write - your style, voice, whatever. It helps that critters will provide you with a number of critiques, so that you can balance the negative remarks against the positive. If you're going to be a writer, though, you have to get used to negative reviews. Take what you can from it and move on.

If you are new to Critters or less confident about your work, then say so. There is an opportunity at the beginning and the end of your submission to add author's remarks, so use this to say "Hey, this is my first time - be gentle" or similar. The rest of them have all been there, they will understand.

You needn't just use Critters to critique your writing, it can also be useful for getting comments on agent query letters, a synopsis, magazine articles or other writing-related pieces. They do need to be within Horror, Fantasy and SF genres, though, and short pieces still only earn a half credit.

If you are using profanity and/or your material contains adult themes or explicit material then you should also say so in the remarks before the piece. This helps to limit some of the adverse comments.

Bear in mind that some of the Critters are juniors (under 13) so some of the pieces (and some of the critiques) may come across as naive or lacking life-experience. They probably won't tell you that they are juniors, so bear it in mind when phrasing your comments.

Finally, it is a generally accepted politeness to email back a thank you note when you receive your critique, even if it is just "Thank you for your remarks, I will bear them in mind when I re-write." If you have found someone's remarks to be really helpful then say so. You could make someone's day.

Hope that helps to improve your experience of Critters. I have certainly found it useful and recommend it to others.
 
I found it really hard to say something valuable.

The most valuable thing you can say is how you feel about the story.

If the opening doesn't grab you - say so. If you got bored half-way through - say so. If you didn't understand the ending - say so.

The main thing is to do it politely. Make it clear that what you are saying is your opinion. Also if something isn't right, don't hesitate to suggest an alternative way of doing it. Most people really appreciate time spent making constructive suggestions.
 
I owe a lot to Chris, I'm sure many others will appreciate his help.

The most valuable thing you can say is how you feel about the story.
That's what I generally do when commenting. I don't have the skills to be nit-picky, so I prefer to point out where I feel that something's wrong, or where the narrative can be improved to meet the reader's eye better. I think I've done a good job so far; the writers are very polite and very open to advice, even when I'm giving suggestions from my very personal point of view. It's a great community.
 

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